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AT&T Publishes Public Letter Refuting Verizon Wireless Ads

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Even their site does nothing to help their cause

bubbasixx

Nov 13, 2009, 1:27 PM
When you read this letter they have a link on the right for the coverage map. When you click the map the only way to get 3G coverage is to click the link on the bottom that says "View 3G/Mobile Broadband coverage (in select areas). Check out the "select areas" http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/po pUp_3g.jsp.

Apparently 75% of the population only live in a few cities. Look at Massachusetts - 6 cities; Rhode Island - 1; They have as many cities covered in Alaska as they do in Delaware.

I think this list just validates those silly maps with specks of blue on them.
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T-Mob

Nov 13, 2009, 1:35 PM
The one city in Alaska was probably the size of Delaware. Verizon has a very impressive looking map, but who cares about coverage where nobody is. AT&T and T-Mobile have maps that are far less impressive to look at, but you need to realize that the population is not spread evenly across the U.S. There are huge population centers that can account for a huge percent of the entire population.
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Disrespect

Nov 13, 2009, 1:50 PM
I understand that. But thats not what their commercial is saying. their commercial never denies or sheds light on at&t covers 75% of the nation with 3G.

AT&T can't force their competitor that Their commercial also say "But AT&T covers 75% of the population with 3G."

And no the commercial is not misleading. To everyone watching the commercial, you look at the map while its airing and you look where you live, where you visit and you see if you do or do not have 3G coverage, Its that simple!

So for those that look and see that att&t does not have 3G coverage and horizon does then that was the point of the commercial.

Whats wrong with that, anybody?
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Kayslay34

Nov 13, 2009, 2:39 PM
I agree 100%.
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lilbp

Nov 13, 2009, 3:10 PM
The biggest issue I have to take with Verizon fanboi's like yourself, is that you're all comparing apples to oranges. Do ya like apples? Well, AT&T's 3G coverage (3G means THIRD GENERATION) is newer, faster, and allows simultaneous voice and data. Verizon's third gen (3G) tech, EVDO, has 3 differnt kinds, and the fastest flavor of it is only in the larger cities as well. The older two rev's are not much faster than EDGE. Not to mention RIM Blackberries, one of the leaders in smartphone technology, were built for EDGE... their battery lives are better on EDGE than EVDO.

Where I am at in WI, EVDO is not any faster than EDGE. Verizon tries to make it's third gen coverage sound like something great, when it's not any better in the real world ...
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Disrespect

Nov 13, 2009, 4:03 PM
lol your crazy my man. I do not have verizon. I never had verizon. I have sprint. I have never made a comment on this issue until now because at&t is really pushing this over the edge now.

First off nobody is talking about batteries in the commercial. Maybe you and at&t can make a commercial in response to verizons about the battery life. Rolling Eyes

anyways, if the fcc allows verizon to say that their 3g is 3g then its 3g, and on the other foot they allow at&t to say their 3g is 3g and their 2g is not 3g then thats what it is.

At&t needs to make a commercial about how their 2g coverage map is just as large as verizon and on the same commercial explain with facts that their 2g is as fast as verizon's 3g.
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Kayslay34

Nov 13, 2009, 6:34 PM
Did Disrespect spill your milk..... awwww I'm sorry *tear* Crying or Very sad . What you should do since what ever happens to at&t is so dear to you; you should ask them to expand their coverage or not charge verizon prices for cricKet service.
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xanadul14619

Nov 16, 2009, 11:44 AM
how can you say that AT&T is better in data services, in the next town over people cant call or browse or anything on their phone...the local corp AT&T store is closing, simple fact....fix your network dont complain because verizon has popped up more towers that ron jeremy has h-o's Smile
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T-Mob

Nov 13, 2009, 3:31 PM
I have no problem with it at all. Every carrier has their good points and their bad. I don't begrudge anyone their personal preference.
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Disrespect

Nov 13, 2009, 4:14 PM
So all I am saying is that now that we agree that verizon is not doing anything legally wrong, morrally wrong? yes, demoralizing? I agree. but its all legal.


So all I am saying is that why not at&t just make a commercial in response? Its all fair game.

Its like ford, Dodge, chevy, sierra, and toyota with their commercials. Its no different.
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jrfdsf

Nov 13, 2009, 4:41 PM
Disrespect said:
So all I am saying is that now that we agree that verizon is not doing anything legally wrong, morrally wrong? yes, demoralizing? I agree. but its all legal.


So all I am saying is that why not at&t just make a commercial in response? Its all fair game.

Its like ford, Dodge, chevy, sierra, and toyota with their commercials. Its no different.

The problem is that the Verizon commercial shows the AT&T customer completely unable to get online because no 3G- that's untrue and misleading!

Verizon is also making false claims about Sprint's 3G coverage as well, but Sprint cannot afford to make an issue of it since they roam heavily off of Big Red.
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USCCFANINKS

Nov 13, 2009, 4:48 PM
"The problem is that the Verizon commercial shows the AT&T customer completely unable to get online because no 3G- that's untrue and misleading!"

Ok can you verify, since you are SO behind this statement, that this is true in all of AT&T's coverage area? Remember that AT&T has had bandwidth issues with all the data use in markets that are not 3G. so if those reports are correct, then due to network issues, which we know they are there, this is not far fetched.
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jrfdsf

Nov 13, 2009, 5:02 PM
USCCFANINKS said:
"The problem is that the Verizon commercial shows the AT&T customer completely unable to get online because no 3G- that's untrue and misleading!"

Ok can you verify, since you are SO behind this statement, that this is true in all of AT&T's coverage area? Remember that AT&T has had bandwidth issues with all the data use in markets that are not 3G. so if those reports are correct, then due to network issues, which we know they are there, this is not far fetched.

The commercial isn't about bandwidth issues or network deficiencies, it's about COVERAGE. The commercial implies someone with an AT&T device will be unable to get online because they don't have 3G COVERAGE.

That said, ther
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USCCFANINKS

Nov 13, 2009, 5:21 PM
Are you the advertising department for Verizon wireless? do you know for a fact what the intent was?

You are speaking as an outsider and basing your information on how YOU interpret the intent ...

Facts aside, this is still a baseless lawsuit, the idea in advertising is to make yourselves more appealing then your competitor ...they did just that.
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jrfdsf

Nov 13, 2009, 5:26 PM
USCCFANINKS said:
Are you the advertising department for Verizon wireless? do you know for a fact what the intent was?

You are speaking as an outsider and basing your information on how YOU interpret the intent ...

Facts aside, this is still a baseless lawsuit, the idea in advertising is to make yourselves more appealing then your competitor ...they did just that.

Interpret? The commercial flat out says that you'll be out of touch if you're on AT&T's network. There's nothing to interpret, it's a baldface lie.
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USCCFANINKS

Nov 13, 2009, 5:54 PM
Is it a lie? hardly, just a half truth. VZW has more coverage across the US then AT&T, and the maps reflect this, and it is known that in many rural areas you will get no service with AT&T, but have enough signal with VZW to make & receive calls, as well as acess the web.
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USCCFANINKS

Nov 13, 2009, 6:06 PM
And thats with just standard 1x BTW, not 3G...
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Celling_it

Nov 13, 2009, 6:45 PM
That commercial does not say anything about not being able to get online. It says that Her 3G coverage keeps her out of touch. Why would you conclude that means that there is no coverage what so ever????? It simply is saying no 3G coverage.
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USCCFANINKS

Nov 13, 2009, 6:50 PM
He's one of the customers AT&T wants to protect I guess, you can't fix customers, they will always be broken.
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Disrespect

Nov 13, 2009, 10:34 PM
Ok so I saw the commercial again and it never insunuated that she has no coverage. It showed her at like a bench/bus stop looking sad, but it never showed screen shots of the phone nor its signal strength.

Am I missing something here?
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jrfdsf

Nov 14, 2009, 9:08 AM
Disrespect said:
OK so I saw the commercial again and it never insinuated that she has no coverage. It showed her at like a bench/bus stop looking sad, but it never showed screen shots of the phone nor its signal strength.

Am I missing something here?

Yes, the announcer in the commercial says, "if you wonder why your friends are out of touch, there's a map for that too." Lack of 3G doesn't cause someone to be "out of touch." Blatantly misleading.
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USCCFANINKS

Nov 14, 2009, 11:21 AM
I think we have all been made to understand that it is YOU who have been misled.
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tbacba

Nov 13, 2009, 2:22 PM
Yes there are "huge population centers that can account for a huge percent of the entire population", but if one wants to travel between those huge centers, and happens to be driving, it's nice to be able to use the many features offered on 'feature phones', e.g. GPS, streaming music, etc. If you're out in East Hey-sus and your GPS stops working, it can be a major headache.
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Azeron

Nov 13, 2009, 2:38 PM
"who cares about coverage where nobody is"

Wow! Very arrogant statement. Obviously there are people who live in those other areas as well. Alltel made a killing leveraging those areas. It was their business strategy to cover "rural" areas where the other providers chose not to build out. When I worked there, they would often trade with Verizon to get out of larger Metro areas with heavy competition to get into a "rural" area. Once Verizon gobbled them up---they had those areas covered. Your argument is typical that I often hear from Sprint and T-Mobile proponents. I suppose if one never travels and lives in those large, Metro areas the argument works. If not I guess it is SOL, huh?
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bubbasixx

Nov 13, 2009, 1:36 PM
Sorry. The link I posted does not work. You have to go to the "view coverage map" link from the AT&T page with their letter.
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Overmann

Nov 13, 2009, 1:49 PM
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/ »

Apparently you have to view the 3G Coverage state by state, because there is no link to do that for the National map. And if you look at it state by state, it looks no different than the VZW commercial that shows AT&T's 3G coverage.

All they did was hide the map inside many links and zoom levels.
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WiGuy

Nov 13, 2009, 2:33 PM
Agree! but just zoom out and you can view at a nationwide level. looks just like the map on the VZW commercial.
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primus

Nov 14, 2009, 12:41 PM
That is because VZW got the map from the AT&T site.. AT&T is sueing VZW for showing the coverage they claim they have.
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en102

Nov 16, 2009, 2:47 PM
how about you select:

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer »
zoom in and select the 'show 3G coverage' button vs a 'city by city' list ?
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