AT&T Sues Verizon for 'Map for That' Ads
Quit Whining AT&T
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Its about time someone enlightened the world about ATT's terrible 3g coverage. I got the iPhone a year ago and have paid over 300 dollars in data alone but have yet to find a 3g signal, yet my friends on verizon get it everywhere for the same price. ATT needs to get off the teet, there are no copyright infringements in the ads, and they dont directly attack ATT. They didnt say anything about the edge coverage because its weak, no point in kicking ATT while its down. They are just educating people about the difference. They dont have a leg to stand on, the lawsuit is going to fall through the cracks.
Its about time someone enlightened the world about ATT's terrible 3g coverage. I got the iPhone a year ago and have paid over 300 dollars in data alone but have yet to find a 3g signal, yet my friends on verizon get it everywhere for the same price. ATT needs to get off the teet, there are no copyright infringements in the ads, and they dont directly attack ATT. They didnt say anything about the edge coverage because its weak, no point in kicking ATT while its down. They are just educating people about the difference. They dont have a leg to stand on, the lawsuit is going to fall through the cracks.
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AT&T's 3G Network isn't as large a Verizon's, but it's not nearly as large as what Verizon is depicting in their zone. When you bought your iPhone, you could've seen the 3G Coverage area yourself.
Apparently, you haven't visited any major city in the past year either...
Apparently, you haven't visited any major city in the past year either...
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I actually work for verizon and the coverage map depicted is precise. I know because when I started there were corprorate lawyers trying to tag us for 'False Advertisement.' The evidence collected supported Verizon's claim and the case was dropped so I would do some research before making an ignorant, boastful claim. I didnt buy the iPhone in fact, I was calling to deactivate service and they coaxed me with a free '3G' iPhone which my wife wanted so I complied. I however get 3g in Dallas, but nowhere in between, not within 200 miles in any other direction at least. I just dont understand where ATT gets off charging the same data charges for significantly less coverage. Not to mention Apple almost broke the contract with ATT for the iPh...
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I have an LG Voyager sitting on my desk with 1X coverage- there is no 3G service for 20 miles until I hit the next largest city on the coast. That's not a "dead zone" and that's not a "coverage may vary" disclaimer- that's a big gaping hole in their 3G Coverage. For some reason, their AT&T map makes note of this hole.
The rest of your article isn't even true.- the iPhone isn't even technologically compatible with Verizon's network.
The rest of your article isn't even true.- the iPhone isn't even technologically compatible with Verizon's network.
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That is the problem here. You do not believe that 1x is 3G but it is. It's not terribly faster than Edge (I've heard that Edge can be faster) and I don't blame AT&T for not pointing that out as it would not make as big a splash as a lawsuit. Verizon is basically using its entire voice coverage map in those commercials and that is one thing that you (apparently) have an issue with. It's a technical thing to be sure but yeah 1x AND EV-DO are BOTH 3G.
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As Verizon is implying AT&T's network is inferior simply by branding of the "3G vs. 2G" even though 2G on AT&T is comparable in every way-shape-and-form to "3G" on Verizon. That's false advertising.
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It may be. That is why they are taking it to court. There is no question that Verizon's commercials are displaying their 1x and EV-DO coverage combined. AT&T should have responded long ago in my opinion. I guess they tired of being pummeled. Speed-wise Edge is at least very close to 1x. If AT&T doesn't mind risking a few dollars, then I personally think the suit is worth trying even if it is not justified just to see what Verizon's response is. Basically, is Verizon willing to expend resources to defend the commercials? As I said, technically the commercials ARE displaying Verizon's 3G coverage even if EV-DO is MUCH faster than 1x.
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I don't think their showing their entire network. Verizon is only showing their 3G network, which is almost the size of their voice network. If Verizon wanted to they could make their network 100% 3G! It wouldn't be hard considering MOST of it is 3G.
If you look in a few areas, there are still little slivers of Verizon that isn't 3G. That's why people think that Verizon is using the voice and data, but the data is nearly the same size as the voice.
If you look in a few areas, there are still little slivers of Verizon that isn't 3G. That's why people think that Verizon is using the voice and data, but the data is nearly the same size as the voice.
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Ha, where did you pick up that I said the iPhone was compatible with Verizon? I know its not, the company that turns the iPod into an iPhone, Infineon(not that you care) only makes a GSM chip. Verizon is very specifically a CDMA network, Im quite well versed in technology and I would never insinuate iPhones compatibility with our network. I was merely stating that before I started work for Verizon, I had ATT with my wife and I dont feel like being charged 400 dollars in deactivation fees, so I still have ATT. I have seen it from both sides and am therefore speaking from current experience. I cannot deny however that my statements may be biased, but becuase I have had it both ways I have chosen sides based on experience alo...
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Ha, where did you pick up that I said the iPhone was compatible with Verizon? I know its not, the company that turns the iPod into an iPhone, Infineon(not that you care) only makes a GSM chip. Verizon is very specifically a CDMA network, Im quite well versed in technology and I would never insinuate iPhones compatibility with our network. I was merely stating that before I started work for Verizon, I had ATT with my wife and I dont feel like being charged 400 dollars in deactivation fees, so I still have ATT. I have seen it from both sides and am therefore speaking from current experience. I cannot deny however that my statements may be biased, but becuase I have had it both ways I have chosen sides based on experience alo...
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That said I think this whole questioning networks and phone manufacturers is getting old and rediculous. I work for AT&T and well the iPhone is great. The best phone out right now. We are lucky to have it, actually another carrier was approached 1st but turned it down. There are alot of awesome phones out there and 2 Great carriers. I'd like to clear a few things up:
3G is so widely used in the telecommunications industry its funny. 3G is simply the 3rd generation in wireless technology, within the carrier that mentions it. Sprint lauched a huge campaign 4G... funny just trying to seem better, we all no the truth about them.. I hope. AT&T's 3G is the fastest in my opinion. I have to say that. Speed aside yes it isn't everywhere. B...
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That said I think this whole questioning networks and phone manufacturers is getting old and rediculous. I work for AT&T and well the iPhone is great. The best phone out right now. We are lucky to have it, actually another carrier was approached 1st but turned it down. There are alot of awesome phones out there and 2 Great carriers. I'd like to clear a few things up:
3G is so widely used in the telecommunications industry its funny. 3G is simply the 3rd generation in wireless technology, within the carrier that mentions it. Sprint lauched a huge campaign 4G... funny just trying to seem better, we all no the truth about them.. I hope. AT&T's 3G is the fastest in my opinion. I have to say that. Speed aside yes it isn't everywhere. B...
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ATT 3g isn't "spreading like wildfire"
In the past year Verizon turned on 95 EVDO towers (in addition to retrofitting their entire current native network with 3g) in PA alone. in that time, the places that had ATT 3g continued to have 3g, and the places that didn't continued to have EDGE. in fact, in northern pa (a very wealthy and well-populated area) ATT isn't slated to get 3g up here until 2011 a minimum.
And Tmobile allows you to do simultaneous Voice and Data. That is a benefit of GSM, not of ATT. If Verizon would've upgraded to EVDV instead of EVDO, they would have the capability as well, but they decided that coverage>data/voice capability.
The maps are accurate, or ATT would sue about the maps. They are instead suing ab...
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In the past year Verizon turned on 95 EVDO towers (in addition to retrofitting their entire current native network with 3g) in PA alone. in that time, the places that had ATT 3g continued to have 3g, and the places that didn't continued to have EDGE. in fact, in northern pa (a very wealthy and well-populated area) ATT isn't slated to get 3g up here until 2011 a minimum.
And Tmobile allows you to do simultaneous Voice and Data. That is a benefit of GSM, not of ATT. If Verizon would've upgraded to EVDV instead of EVDO, they would have the capability as well, but they decided that coverage>data/voice capability.
The maps are accurate, or ATT would sue about the maps. They are instead suing ab...
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When Verizon goes to LTE they are going to continue to use 1x for voice. This solution has been termed "CS Fallback". CS Fallback ‘falls back’ from the LTE network to use the Circuit Services inherent in the 3G network to make and receive voice calls. I am in favor of this because I do not want AT&T to come to the table two years later and Verizon be forced (by the government) to allow AT&T to use their LTE network. My point is: If Verizon does use the 1x network for voice then their handsets will not perform voice and data at the same time. Placing or receiving a call on 1x is going to require pausing LTE just as it does with EV-DO.
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this makes me sad.. my tech guy said that data/voice would work with 4g.
well, here's hoping they implement the data/voice evdo tech that those researchers developed.
well, here's hoping they implement the data/voice evdo tech that those researchers developed.
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If Verizon goes with a Voice over LTE standard of some sort (such as, VoLGA) the problem there is either one of the smaller carriers or perhaps AT&T will insist develop the same tech and Verizon will be forced to allow them access to their LTE network for voice roaming. By restricting it to data only they can avoid the fed governments rules which force carriers today to allow other carriers to roam on their network. I'm sorry, but I don't think it is fair for a no name carrier to take advantage of Verizon developing this network and then roll out "Nationwide" plans as though they did anything.
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what about using 1x for voice, but allowing the LTE radio (since it is only for data) run totally independent. Sort of how wifi lets you use data while on a call now.
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🤣 Honestly, where is AJ to break this all down?
http://lteworld.org/blog/understanding-cs-fallback-lte »
The VoLGA proponents claim it cannot be done. They are saying that the LTE data session must be paused to make or receive a 3g call.
http://lteworld.org/blog/understanding-cs-fallback-lte »
The VoLGA proponents claim it cannot be done. They are saying that the LTE data session must be paused to make or receive a 3g call.
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Phone Scoop posted an article that Verizon and others have embraced a Voice over LTE solution https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=50 64
This came as quite a shock to me as I had not found anything about an alternative to VoLGA. I wonder how they are taking the news? They spent so much time bashing CS fallback... In any event, this will allow uninterrupted data sessions as you wanted.
This came as quite a shock to me as I had not found anything about an alternative to VoLGA. I wonder how they are taking the news? They spent so much time bashing CS fallback... In any event, this will allow uninterrupted data sessions as you wanted.
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Azeron said:
🤣 Honestly, where is AJ to break this all down?
http://lteworld.org/blog/understanding-cs-fallback-lte »
The VoLGA proponents claim it cannot be done. They are saying that the LTE data session must be paused to make or receive a 3g call.
Technical reasons aside (I may delve into those later), there are legal/regulatory reasons why some wireless carriers may prefer CSFB and may be reluctant to embrace VoLTE (e.g. VoLGA, IMS).
First, as recent issues have shown, some wireless carriers would rather not have VoIP applications on consumers' devices, as those VoIP applications could circumvent the carriers' own voice plans. Instead, those wireless carriers would rather maintain circui...
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AMEN, I personally am tired of who's bigger, better, faster B.S. i say use the billions of dollars that you profited last year and invest in a worthier cause and improve the networks...
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"My dad can beat up your dad!!!" 🤣
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hnot all people are fortunate enough to live/visit in the major cities because they aren't spoiled brats like you or they prefer not to live in or visit major cities to not have to deal with you people. it shouldnt have to matter where you live or that you should visit a major city. why is it only major cities that get the opportunity to get 3G service. major cities are not the ONLY cities, ya know. you should be able to get service where EVER you are located. 😕
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