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Palm's doing this because they're about to fail....

bluecoyote

Oct 3, 2009, 11:20 AM
I've heard rumor that Palm is hemorrhaging cash to the point where they're about to fail. Palm has already violated the USB licensing agreement, and is ignoring it because they're going to go under either way.

This is unfortunate- the Palm Pre is a good second choice to the iPhone.
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Drunk

Oct 3, 2009, 11:43 AM
a touch screen, bluetooth, internet and music long long before the iphone had any of that. They just never caught on and people just didn't have enough love to give. I do cry. I think the biggest fail for palm was going with Sprint. Both companies are going to go under like the titanic.
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Versed

Oct 3, 2009, 12:11 PM
No doubt the Pre is an excellent phone, but its too late, Palm squandered its time developing it, had did nothing with PalmOS other then tweeks for like 9 years, did some decent but not outstanding stuff with WM. Meanwhile, everyone passed them by.

Still I hope they pull it off, ether as an independent company or a division of someone else. Choice is good.
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cellfoneluva

Oct 3, 2009, 12:21 PM
Drunk said:
a touch screen, bluetooth, internet and music long long before the iphone had any of that. They just never caught on and people just didn't have enough love to give. I do cry. I think the biggest fail for palm was going with Sprint. Both companies are going to go under like the titanic.


I agree. It's a great alternative to the iPhone. Palm should have went with Verizon. They are the only worthy competitor to AT&T and I think it definately would have caught on more over there.
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knx2

Oct 3, 2009, 1:10 PM
Verizon is known for the worst phones in the market. Why would palm want to take a chance knowing that?
For all I know Verizon passed on the iPhone and passed on the Pre. Now Verizon is going to get the Pre next year anyway.

I doubt Palm is going out of business... The app store was just released and will grow and generate money
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cellfoneluva

Oct 3, 2009, 2:10 PM
knx2 said:
Verizon is known for the worst phones in the market. Why would palm want to take a chance knowing that?
For all I know Verizon passed on the iPhone and passed on the Pre. Now Verizon is going to get the Pre next year anyway.

I doubt Palm is going out of business... The app store was just released and will grow and generate money


Well that's why. People are tired of WinMo phones and no one cares about the Storm. Or did you mean that because you feel Verizon would cripple the Pre? That would be a concern of mine as Verizon is notorious for such behavior.

I was saying the Pre would have been better off there due to Verizon's higher subscriber base. People looking for an iPhone alternat...
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scorpio

Oct 3, 2009, 9:47 PM
ERRRRR!!! Verizon is NOT GETTING THE PRE, bonehead executives at Verizon are spreading FUD to try an undermine Sprint, Hesse confirmed Sprints exclusive contract is more than six months. Sprint will be extending the contract with Palm.
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bluecoyote

Oct 3, 2009, 1:24 PM
"a touch screen, bluetooth, internet and music long long before the iphone had any of that."

The iPhone had it from day one. Palm had a horrible platform up until WebOS.
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Drunk

Oct 3, 2009, 1:53 PM
My tungsten E2 had all of that 6 years ago...
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Versed

Oct 3, 2009, 2:34 PM
Drunk said:
My tungsten E2 had all of that 6 years ago...


Call me on your Tungsten E2 and tell me about it.
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Drunk

Oct 3, 2009, 2:37 PM
wow never said it was a phone. but a treo had all that too. why are you so pissed?
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ItsSprintnotwalk

Oct 5, 2009, 8:57 AM
Allot of hate going on here... did any of you see the news people love the iPhone but ATT has the worst satisfaction from pda USERS...


Sprint will be fine, were doing what needs to be done, correcting the miss direction of several years ago... And Palm is a great company and a Great Product. With web OS they again are at the edge of innovation, as they were when they first came out...

Tungsten, not a phone but an excellent device!!!

Now smile goto work and try to make your company great, focus there instead of on Sprint unless you work here...
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Jayshmay

Oct 4, 2009, 2:29 PM
I never understood what the poing is in the Tungsten having BT when it isn't even a phone?...
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jhr2112

Oct 4, 2009, 11:45 AM
My Palm 700P is still a great phone, not a horrible operating system as you say. It gets better reception than the iphone, (i never drop a call)can send pictures and files via blue tooth, could send picture mail from day one, sends multiple email attachments and the list goes on and on and it was developed 5 years ago.
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ItsSprintnotwalk

Oct 5, 2009, 9:03 AM
🙂 Most people have short memories, if it was not sold in the last 9 months then it is Old people stuff to them... But it is a Great , not WAS is a great phone!!!
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WiWavelength

Oct 3, 2009, 2:04 PM
Drunk said:
I think the biggest fail for palm was going with Sprint. Both companies are going to go under like the titanic.


You think that a wireless carrier that has tens of millions of subscribers, earns billions of dollars in revenue every month, and, most importantly, holds tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars worth of valuable assets is "going to go under like the titanic [sic]"??? Drunk, it is as if you have absolutely no business acumen whatsoever.

AJ
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Versed

Oct 3, 2009, 2:35 PM
Niether are going out of business, they might end up being part of someone else, especially Palm. Sprint probably will be able to hold its own.
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SprintCC

Oct 3, 2009, 3:27 PM
Honestly, Sprint has faced much more difficult competition during the life of the company. The long distance wars between AT&T, Sprint, and MCI in the 1980s make cell compeitions look tame. But, Sprint is still around, and it is unrealistic to think that it would go away now.

Palm made some mistakes along the way. They were the leader in the PDA market in the 1990s, but they let RIM bypass them, and have never managed to catch up. They were slow to upgrade the Treo and never properly marketed the Centro. The Treo Pro is a great phone, and the Pre is an evolution that Apple and RIM will have to work to equal. However, the Palm name doesn't impress people at this point, so they have some real work to do in order to regain market share. If ...
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jhr2112

Oct 4, 2009, 10:56 AM
Well said!
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ItsSprintnotwalk

Oct 5, 2009, 8:59 AM
Indeed.... MCI who? lol they went down hard I remember when there stock his 4 cents a share...


But true Sprint is a Slugger and were still here... Still the best 3 g and the best 4g Network!!!
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carmodboy99

Oct 3, 2009, 4:07 PM
not only that, but everybody always overlooks why they chose Sprint at all. Granted, in part you had the sentimentality of Sprint eating up any and every garbage phone they threw on the make, but then there was more importantly the fact that they were launching an iPhone in sheeps clothing that would best serve (unlike the iphone) their customer base on a network with absolutely no limitations or caps on the actual capabilities of the phone. Verizon damn sure would not offer that, and so the phone would end up mediocre at best unless they forced you to pay for the services required to utilize the utmost capabilities of the phone. I can see it now, VZW customers walking around with the Pre with 50MB of data per month, afraid to use it and t...
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Versed

Oct 3, 2009, 4:26 PM
Maybe so, but both VZW and AT&T don't cap data on phones, only data cards, which Sprint happens to do as well.
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Azeron

Oct 4, 2009, 2:59 AM
Verizon has never capped data on any of its smartphones, merely on data cards...just as AT&T and Sprint do.
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jhr2112

Oct 4, 2009, 10:53 AM
Sprint and at&t do not cap their data on phones unless you have a tethering plan. (just like Verizon does) Sprint and at&t also don't cripple their phones as Verizon does..
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Azeron

Oct 4, 2009, 9:53 PM
Why would you even bother to reply to my post only to say the same thing that I said. No carrier caps data on a smartphone. Though some do cap on tethering.
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HawkeyeOC

Oct 3, 2009, 8:34 PM
WiWavelength said:


You think that a wireless carrier that has tens of millions of subscribers, earns billions of dollars in revenue every month, and, most importantly, holds tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars worth of valuable assets is "going to go under like the titanic [sic]"??? Drunk, it is as if you have absolutely no business acumen whatsoever.

AJ


Sprint earns revenue, BUT their expenses have been far outweighing any revenue coming in for some time.

Sprint is losing customers little by little, losing money every quarter. How long can a company like that last in tough times?
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Azeron

Oct 4, 2009, 3:02 AM
Fairly long actually. Unless creditors suddenly demand their loans be repaid. I think creditors doing thatto any carrier would bring said carrier to its knees though.
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Slammer

Oct 4, 2009, 11:21 AM
Sprint is doing just fine Hawkeye. A recent analytical poll put them a very close second to Verizon in customer service and their churning has pretty much been minimized. Most of their expenditures are for upgrading their network to 4G and paying down debts. They are rebuilding themselves as the carrier they once were. They do however; have a ways to go, But Anti-Sprint people fail to realize change and this is the anchor at this point. It will take savvy marketing to reimburse confidence that was lost. A colleague of mine switched to a different carrier a year and a half ago after having to wait 2 hours for a Sprint CRS. That was the only reason he changed. It had nothing to do with coverage, phones, pricing etc. Strictly CS. He has heard a...
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HawkeyeOC

Oct 5, 2009, 1:21 AM
A lot of that debt is coming due soon which has people worried and I agree with you that their service has improved thanks to Dan, they are still spending more money than they are taking in at this point
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rarodrig26

Oct 4, 2009, 11:26 AM
Yes losing customer's is a trend that no carrier wants, however Sprint does still turn a profit and is in as good or better shape debt wise than verizon or at&t. T-mobile has fewer customers than Sprint and I don't hear ppl saying T-mobile is going out of business every day. It is possoble to run a carrrier successfully with less than 70 million subscribers you people realize right?
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HawkeyeOC

Oct 5, 2009, 1:17 AM
rarodrig26 said:
Yes losing customer's is a trend that no carrier wants, however Sprint does still turn a profit and is in as good or better shape debt wise than verizon or at&t. T-mobile has fewer customers than Sprint and I don't hear ppl saying T-mobile is going out of business every day. It is possoble to run a carrrier successfully with less than 70 million subscribers you people realize right?


Unfortunatly you are wrong. Sprint hasn't been turning a profit for a while. The Balance sheet shows losses going back to '07 as well as every quarter this year.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=S&annual »

Debt wise is not so good either:
http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2009/10/02/doome ... »...
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ItsSprintnotwalk

Oct 5, 2009, 10:44 AM
SPRINT NEXTEL Reports Second Quarter 2009 Results
Year-to-date Free Cash Flow* of almost $1.5 billion; cash balance of $4.6 billion after retiring all of 2009 senior note maturities; total liquidity of $6.1 billion
18 consecutive months of improvement in Customer Care Satisfaction and First Call Resolution
Achieved new best-ever network performance metrics
Highest reported number of prepaid net additions by any U.S. carrier in three years
Successful launch of the award-winning Palm® Pre┞¢ - showcasing ‘a new Sprint’
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