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Marketing Duh!

Disrespect

Aug 12, 2009, 7:14 PM
All cell phone companies do this. Hell amazon was caught in a act with a situation about them using internet users cookies and would fluctuate prices depending in the cookies of each users, I.E. a Item that cost $4.00 can possibly cost me $16.00 if my cookies reflect I have previously bought something of that similar item then they know that I want that item. Its a crazy digital world that we live in but it is what it is. Google has been saving cookies and cashe's to better assist its customers so what makes you think with the G1 they wont do the samething?



These companies are in the business to make money and will do alot of things to get that competitors edge.
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Rich Brome

Aug 12, 2009, 8:25 PM
Cookies are completely different. They used by nearly all web sites (including this one) and they're usually quite harmless. If a cookie stored your SSN or other private info, that would be one thing, but that's not generally how cookies are used. Any site that "remembers" you, or any kind of preference, is using a cookie to do that. Pretty much any site you can log in to requires cookies to keep you logged in as you move from one page to the next.

The deal with the Pre is that it seems to collect your exact location and send that info to Palm on a daily basis. If it sends your location to Google in order to pull up a map, that's one thing, but to just collect location info constantly for no reason is not something people should tolerate,...
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Disrespect

Aug 12, 2009, 8:31 PM
I feel you on that as well. But what I'm saying is that google keeps all your search information. G1 I'm pretty sure does the samething with GPS location. All I'm really saying is that palm is catching heat for this and I think they should, but I guaranteed you its a whole lot of other companies that do this. With ssn's etc.
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Jayshmay

Aug 12, 2009, 10:04 PM
Hey Rich I haven't heard back from you as to if you know anything about when fast charging technology will reach the cell phone market. Might you know?
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Rich Brome

Aug 12, 2009, 8:29 PM
Disrespect said:
All cell phone companies do this.

Well, yes, but it's the nature of the technology that your cell phone company knows roughly where you are. There's no way to avoid that. Your phone needs to connect to a nearby tower to function, and the network needs to know who's connected to what tower at all times. Naturally they know where their own towers are located.

But for Palm and/or Google to know where you are all times... that's just unnecessary, and a very slippery slope. On an iPhone, you have to give explicit permission before an app is allowed to use your location. That's how it should be. To have your location shared constantly in the background without your permission is not okay with m...
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Disrespect

Aug 12, 2009, 8:40 PM
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I know, but when you restrict app's ability to a minimum then you have Cell geeks as previously been proven even on phonescoop.com they will bash the device for not being able to multi-task even though apple is protecting your privacy at the expense of you hatting them. lol its a loose loose.

I honestly don't think they are selling the info but do think they are using that information for its future devices and services to provide the customers what they tend to like based on their own tracks.
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SellPhones82

Aug 13, 2009, 8:19 AM
The Pre will also ask if you want to allow an app to use your location. I had the setting on for a while but have to select "Allow" any time I use a GPS app got old really quick. In the Launcher go to "Location Service" and from there you can toggle "Auto Locate" on or off which will add an extra step when you use a GPS app. You can completely turn GPS off which will also save battery life. The last one is what Plam is reffering to, "Background Data Collection" which states "Allows Google to automaticlly collect anonymouse location data to improve the quality of location services". This was also something every user had to "Agree" to when they first activated the Pre as the link below shows on of the first screen you see after the phone...
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atlp99

Aug 14, 2009, 9:05 AM
The disclosure about allowing google to collect location data says nothing about Palm collecting it and there is no mention of the collecting data about your installed applications or usage.

I don't think the problem is Palm collecting this data, The problem is the LACK of disclosure to the user.

Trying to hide behind the Google location data disclosure is shady at best, It says nothing about PALM collecting user data. It also says nothing about the other data being collected by Palm. If Palm is not doing anything wrong, like reselling your info then they should be upfront about the data collection.

Don't forget that Palm was well on the way to going out of business (failure to update palm OS, failure of NOVA OS, and the FOLIO) ...
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SellPhones82

Aug 14, 2009, 2:05 PM
This is the screen I saw when I first activated my Pre which says it will send info.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/08/12/pre-phones- ... »

See my post under Rich's as to why this is not going staright to Google and Palm is the middle man if you will becasue it is a Palm OS not a Google one. As well as what could be done with the info.

Also by other data I guess you are taling about the apps you have installed? Then turn off "Backup" as the apps says it backs up your apps daily OTA. Not sure how you back up an app OTA without sending it to your Palm Profile which is on Palm servers.
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techjunky

Aug 14, 2009, 8:42 AM
Rich Brome said:


Well, yes, but it's the nature of the technology that your cell phone company knows roughly where you are. There's no way to avoid that. Your phone needs to connect to a nearby tower to function, and the network needs to know who's connected to what tower at all times. Naturally they know where their own towers are located.

But for Palm and/or Google to know where you are all times... that's just unnecessary, and a very slippery slope. On an iPhone, you have to give explicit permission before an app is allowed to use your location. That's how it should be. To have your location shared constantly in the background without your permission is not okay with me.




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Rich Brome

Aug 14, 2009, 11:59 AM
techjunky said:
ok so suppose u dont get the service. then youll complain about compatability and user ability.

But what is it for? When I use Google Maps, sure, that makes sense, and I'm choosing to disclose my location each time I use it. But the phone just sending my location out every day is for... what?

...and what does this have to do with compatibility with anything? Oh, and my abilities are just fine, thank you. ...or did you mean usability? ...which still has nothing to do with this.

techjunky said:
who cares that google or palm know where u are. what are they gonna do other than help u get to where ur going.

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Pocket_Girl

Aug 14, 2009, 12:36 PM
hmmm you have very good points. i guess some people dont really think that this is a possibility.... or that it wont happen to them. so they are like "who cares, no one is going to buy this crap to find my location..... or no one is selling this so people can find other people's locations." i mean, i see what they are saying. i know it is a small possibility that someone wants to find my location one day or everyday. but again, it sucks for the people it does happen to because it is unfair to them. so i totally see your point. 😁
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SellPhones82

Aug 14, 2009, 1:56 PM
Rich

I understand what you are saying regarding tracking your location but one thing I have yet to see any data sent that identifies the end user themself. I have read the blog of the person that located these commands/files in WebOS but non of the info sends my name, phone number, or ESN. They also confirmed that turning your GPS off will not send your location. The "HOST" this is sent to via https is ps.palmws.com. Nowhere does it send info to a Google host. You agree to send the info to Goolge but it goes to Palm first becasue it would be strage for a Palm OS to send info to a Google host outside a Google app. So even if someone does get ahold of this info how are they going to know who it even is? It is nothing more than a Latit...
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