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Well, when you consider...

bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 3:06 PM
Verizon's "exclusive" phones have all been critical or commercial failures, it makes sense. I don't think Sprint or AT&T are exactly pining for a Blackberry Storm 🤣
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murmermer

Jul 17, 2009, 3:52 PM
you mean the blackberry storm is still for sale? 🤣
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Menno

Jul 17, 2009, 4:15 PM
Do you have any idea how many people I've had in my store that dropped ATT/sprint/local for the ENV phones?

The storm also was a huge commercial success, no matter how much people on phone scoop hated it. Well over a million customers bought it anyway.

Phone scoop average ratings:

Iphone 3g avg rating: 3.82 (original: 3.71)

BB storm average rating: 3.45

LG EnV2: 4.08

Just because you make a post in every news thread that bashes verizon/the storm doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.
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HumanStudios

Jul 17, 2009, 4:42 PM
I think with with the higher profile devices, people rate them less than fairly due to higher expectations, and fanboy/Hater BS. I imagine both the storm and iPhone's rating are realistically higher than those numbers. For some reason, people get emotionally invested in apple/BB products. And others.

Just saying, that's all.
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Menno

Jul 17, 2009, 5:13 PM
No I agree. I was just trying to highlight that the ratings are pretty similar, so even with that skew, they were both received well.
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Versed

Jul 17, 2009, 8:20 PM
HumanStudios said:
I think with with the higher profile devices, people rate them less than fairly due to higher expectations, and fanboy/Hater BS. I imagine both the storm and iPhone's rating are realistically higher than those numbers. For some reason, people get emotionally invested in apple/BB products. And others.

Just saying, that's all.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:22 PM
You're absolutely right.

The EnV/etc. are horrible phones by comparison, tethered to horrible, expensive rate plans. There's more fanboy bs skewing the ratings.

For the record,
I've physically gone out and purchased/used an iPhone, Blackberry Storm (amongst a Pearl and others), and a Palm Pre.
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 17, 2009, 10:46 PM
bluecoyote said:
You're absolutely right.

The EnV/etc. are horrible phones by comparison, tethered to horrible, expensive rate plans. There's more fanboy bs skewing the ratings.

For the record,
I've physically gone out and purchased/used an iPhone, Blackberry Storm (amongst a Pearl and others), and a Palm Pre.


And we all know that your opinion on here as far as you are concerned is the law 🤣
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:49 PM
including the people who defend crap, or are wrong!
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 18, 2009, 2:31 AM
bluecoyote said:
including the people who defend crap, or are wrong!


Only your narrow minded opinion. You can't see beyond the millions that have already proven you wrong 😳
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mackygirl

Jul 17, 2009, 5:40 PM
I'm glad you know what AT&T and Sprint want, as an AT&T employee I can definitely say that we have blackberry customers everyday wanting to know when we are getting a touchscreen blackberry. I think this is good for the small carriers out there, outside of that it doesn't effect me at all.
You are commenting on commercial failure, but have you checked sales statistics or reviews other than this site?
Do your homework, before you comment on the device that will at least be a benchmark as the first touchscreen blackberry.
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:24 PM
No blackberry customer wants a touchscreen blackberry because the "touchscreen blackberry" performs like total crap- especially in the only department Blackberries these days really excel at- physical keyboards.


The only people who buy one are people who haven't used an iPhone (my guess is you're likely an affiliate) because nobody in their right mind says "Hey, for $200.00 I will buy this piece of crap over an iPhone."
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 17, 2009, 10:45 PM
bluecoyote said:
No blackberry customer wants a touchscreen blackberry because the "touchscreen blackberry" performs like total crap- especially in the only department Blackberries these days really excel at- physical keyboards.


The only people who buy one are people who haven't used an iPhone (my guess is you're likely an affiliate) because nobody in their right mind says "Hey, for $200.00 I will buy this piece of crap over an iPhone."


I always feel sorry for these narrow minded people. 🤣
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:50 PM
And we feel sorry you don't know any better!
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 18, 2009, 2:37 AM
bluecoyote said:
And we feel sorry you don't know any better!


Wow! Funny guy! Bad AT&T service around here which prevents me from getting an iphone or any other AT&T product. I know better not to go with a phone or service that will do me no good here.

Maybe I would have one of them new fangled iphone thingemobobs if they went to any other network...ok except Sprint 🤣
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Menno

Jul 18, 2009, 12:25 AM
Yes, because an iphone syncs flawlessly with BES, tethers, offers native MMS, connects to Blackberry Messenger, and works flawlessly with a customers previous blackberry technology right? And I'm sure the average business person wants some flashy toy that suffers with network connectivity (because dropping calls won't hurt their business at all, right?).

Blackberry is a brand name that holds a lot of weight for businesses. Apple is trying to get those customers, but they have a long way to go with their OS before big businesses will switch their accounts to the iphone (and repurchase thousands of dollars worth of software to do so)

If you haven't had BB customers asking about a touchscreen blackberry you either don't work in a stor...
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the_eraser

Jul 17, 2009, 7:15 PM
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 17, 2009, 7:44 PM
the_eraser said:
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣


Laughing at your own ignorance?
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:24 PM
Likely now laughing at yours!
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 17, 2009, 10:32 PM
and now I am laughing at yours!
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:48 PM
You might as well suck it up when you're wrong.
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 18, 2009, 2:30 AM
bluecoyote said:
You might as well suck it up when you're wrong.


Open your mind. It sees nothing but Apples. Apples don't suit everyones taste even when you try to shove them down peoples throat 🤣
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Menno

Jul 18, 2009, 12:28 AM
And this my children is yet another creature we find on the internet. Known simply as the "Me Too," This creature lacks all creative thought and merely exists to agree with others.

Here he is using one of his most common responses, the Emoticon. This diversionary tactic allows the creature to appear to speak without actually having to say anything.

Notice below how the Me Too is supported by the Typical Troll, essentially an affirmation parasite.
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 17, 2009, 7:31 PM
bluecoyote said:
Verizon's "exclusive" phones have all been critical or commercial failures, it makes sense. I don't think Sprint or AT&T are exactly pining for a Blackberry Storm 🤣


Wow! You never learn 😲 Look around you at the posts in response to your ignorance, listen and deal with the fact that because you call something a "commercial failure" doesn't mean it is.

Your precious Storm is the number 3 selling smartphone
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:25 PM
It was!

Maybe look outside and realize RIM went after the quick buck in device sales and have a plummeting demand for their product (ala Motorola RAZR.)
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 17, 2009, 10:39 PM
bluecoyote said:
It was!

Maybe look outside and realize RIM went after the quick buck in device sales and have a plummeting demand for their product (ala Motorola RAZR.)


In a market that has gone smartphone crazy? Highly unlikely. Even Palm was able to hang on with some poor products in recent years.

Plummeting demand? Nope! The Curve, pearl, and Storm are in the top 5 for smartphones
Plummeting demand only in your own mind. Sales figures don't support your wrong conclusions, sorry 👀
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2009, 10:47 PM
Ooh, why don't you read a more up-to-date source:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31430218/ »

Do some research before being wrong. This shouldn't come as a surprise given the fact their platform isn't anywhere near as capable as the iPhone/G1/Pre which they tried to mask by giving them away to dumb people who are upgrading from an EnV.
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crammy1

Jul 17, 2009, 11:56 PM
did i miss something from that article..
i read that RIM did good in selling their service and phones although not as good as expected..but still good...with this economy is that really significant with your argument?.. im sorry but i would agree with them..not because you think that something is junk..that everyone else thinks the same way...stop being conceited bro..we respect your opinion but i think we also expect that you respect ours.(im not picking a fight here 🙂 )
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Menno

Jul 18, 2009, 12:41 AM
You do realize that before the iphone and a couple of other newer devices, pretty much the only way an ATT customer would get a phone with a qwerty keyboard would be another smartphone, right?

And back then you had Palm (clunky, PDA focused), Windows mobile (without things like touch flow and other UI enhancements to make it user friendly) and Blackberry. One of the reasons the Curve was so popular with ATT.

Yes, they are losing some of those sales, but power users are still with Blackberry. The market has tighter competition now, which is a good thing. But a company can't have overwhelming growth indefinitely.

BB is still doing very well.


If you read the article, they had a higher payout per share than was expected. Mean...
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bluecoyote

Jul 18, 2009, 1:01 AM
There was a time when Blackberries were considered the only decent smartphone platform (to a lesser extent, S60, which never took off here.) I owned several myself and was thrilled with them, but that was years ago and the market, and myself, have moved on.

Rather than invest in updating their platform RIM has slapped a new coat of paint on an aging platform and cut the price to make up for what is now a crap UI. Motorola did this with the RAZR and now they're bankrupt.

Now we've got WebOS and Android, who are a good #2 and #3 respectively in the field. Windows Mobile isn't and never will be a contender because the only thing it's good at is serving as a poster child as to how to not design a Smartphone OS, which is why its m...
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Menno

Jul 18, 2009, 1:43 AM
A blackberry server for a company costs tens of thousands of dollars to implement. If they totally redesigned their UI and how it functioned it would be requiring all those companies to update their software, not to mention pissing off their long time customers.

We're tech people, we like change and a new toy with a new UI is fun. Business people and a lot of consumers HATE change.

Look at microsoft. They spent years developing on the same basic platform. They decided to go a totally different route with Vista, which required most companies to spend thousands of dollars upgrading their servers. Since the companies needed to replace everything anyway, they decided to look at what was out there.

It's no coincidence that UNIX/LINU...
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 18, 2009, 2:28 AM
bluecoyote said:
There was a time when Blackberries were considered the only decent smartphone platform (to a lesser extent, S60, which never took off here.) I owned several myself and was thrilled with them, but that was years ago and the market, and myself, have moved on.

Rather than invest in updating their platform RIM has slapped a new coat of paint on an aging platform and cut the price to make up for what is now a crap UI. Motorola did this with the RAZR and now they're bankrupt.

Now we've got WebOS and Android, who are a good #2 and #3 respectively in the field. Windows Mobile isn't and never will be a contender because the only thing it's good at is serving as a poster child as to how to not desig
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HawkeyeOC

Jul 18, 2009, 2:44 AM
bluecoyote said:
Ooh, why don't you read a more up-to-date source:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31430218/ »

Do some research before being wrong. This shouldn't come as a surprise given the fact their platform isn't anywhere near as capable as the iPhone/G1/Pre which they tried to mask by giving them away to dumb people who are upgrading from an EnV.


Your article is mostly speculative. The G1 and the Pre have a significant problem hindering large sales numbers for the moment...their carriers. They aren't that large 😳


"Again, everything's relative. Both companies are doing phenomenally well in the marketplace, and their stocks, over the next year, should reflect that."
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