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Below.Me

Jun 15, 2009, 10:17 PM
WTF Congress!!!!!

You can make laws but you can not force Apple to make an CDMA Iphone if they do not want to. (or a GSM Voyager, or CDMA G1 etc...)
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CellStudent

Jun 15, 2009, 11:33 PM
Again, it's NOT about forcing manufacturers to comply with a federal mandate.

It's about prohibiting CARRIERS from inflicting a mandate on manufacturers to pad their own pockets with handheld monopolies.
Prohibiting AT&T from keeping Tmobile out of the iPhone game is what this legislation addresses. It has absolutely nothing to do with forced manufacturing.

No manufacturer should be told what they should build by Uncle Sam, but Sprint keeping the Pre away from Verizon customers and Verizon keeping the Storm away from Tmobile customers is a practice that needs to stop immediately.
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crazyeaglefan236

Jun 16, 2009, 12:01 AM
Ok...so Palm has no say so in their exclusive rights? So Palm cannot tell Sprint NO and then make the Pre for any CDMA network carrier?

I am a believer that the market should and will dictate what happens. Too many laws and we become a socialist society just like Europe...get the government to dictate what technologies we use. Instead of letting the consumer and business decide.

Again, you are arguing, though, that the manufacture has nothing to do with these exclusive rights deals that are signed...when in fact it is a two way street.
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captainplooky

Jun 16, 2009, 7:20 AM
crazyeaglefan236 said:
I am a believer that the market should and will dictate what happens.

Yeah... and that has worked gangbusters so far hasn't it. Of course, you have to overlook that the every major economic crisis we have faced has been a direct result of the free market running amok without proper regulation - to the detriment of the taxpayer, consumer, and country.

crazyeaglefan236 said:Too many laws and we become a socialist society just like Europe...get the government to dictate what technologies we use. Instead of letting the consumer and business decide.

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Oh noes! You said socialism and referenced a dictatorship. Scary - we are doomed. Too bad...
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WZ_agent

Jun 16, 2009, 10:12 AM
How does innovation get stifled by exclusivity? If i want a carrier to buy rights to my phone, ill make a new feature or software app. The reason AT&T grabbed iphone was its innovation. To a certain degree, other manufactures are trying to gain some of that market share back for themselves.

Just because he used 'buzzwords' doesn't make his arguments 'laughable'. If exclusivity goees out on all tech, we all end up driving the same car, watching the same tv, using the same car...all under government mandate. How do you define socialism? Socialism would be a great idea (from each according to his production,to each according to his need) if we weren't horribly greedy and selfish individuals.

do you also agree with single payer insurance...
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captainplooky

Jun 16, 2009, 7:54 PM
WZ_agent said:
The free market is not the problem, as you stated. In fact, a truly free marketplace would solve a lot of our current problems.


First lets be clear. The "free market" as we know it today is a myth - the central reserve bank is evidence of that.

Secondly, every time the free market has been allowed to continue on unfettered by any regulation has ended in financial debacles.

Lastly, much like Alan Greenspan, I think you are putting too much faith in the self-correcting power of free markets and failing to anticipate the self-destructive power of it. He realized this, albeit after a financial collapse of epic proportions. In time, hopefully you will as well.
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crazyeaglefan236

Jun 17, 2009, 1:09 AM
Oh, my arguments are laughable? Ok...OP said that carriers should not dictate "exclusive" rights...carriers AND manufactures come to the agreement. Second, I would argue that the popularity of the iPhone has pressed other manufactures to produce as good a product due to the fact you have other carriers screaming for a phone to compete with. So, the exclusivity has helped pushed technology.

I am against the government telling wireless how to operate their companies when they cannot even operate themselves. Yes, I am against the government sticking their nose into any and every detail if they think they can spin it to the population that they are doing it for their best interest.

If the consumer was pissed about a phone being excl...
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CellStudent

Jun 17, 2009, 12:10 AM
Yes it is a two way street but the Carriers have a far bigger interest in Exclusivity then the makers do. ATT leadership is ready to collectively have Steve Jobs babies for a shot at one more year.
The only way for Apple to grow its market share at this point is to make a CDMA iPhone and open up to all the other GSM networks in the USA.
Everyone in USA who is willing to tolerate ATT service to get a handset is pretty much already left and gotten one in the last two years.

What possible benefit could there be for Apple share prices if they are prevented from expanding into fertile markets by Exclusivity agreements?

The end result is that exclusivity is BAD for consumers, GOOD for carriers and somewhere in the middle for the builders.
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