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Here's A Great Opportunity For Verizon

jrfdsf

Apr 28, 2009, 6:28 PM
With the phone being quad-band, it conceivably could roam on domestic GSM networks. Since Verizon (CDMA in general) has such great coverage anyway, why not forge additional roaming agreements in the few areas where CDMA coverage isn't as good as GSM?
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Rich Brome

Apr 28, 2009, 7:04 PM
Can you imagine the PR backlash? The company prides itself on its network quality and coverage. If "the network" is so good, why would they need GSM roaming agreements? They'd get attacked, and perhaps even AT&T would mock them publicly with ads.

Besides, there just isn't a business case for it.

GSM 850 and 1900 are there strictly for roaming in Latin America.
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wnrussell

Apr 28, 2009, 10:33 PM
Rich Brome said:
Besides, there just isn't a business case for it.

GSM 850 and 1900 are there strictly for roaming in Latin America.

Well, you can set the phone to GSM only mode which disables CDMA, then you can use an AT&T, Orange, Vodaphone, or many other SIM cards. You do not have to use the $3.99/ min. Verizon world card. Wouldn't a quad band phone work in more than just Latin America?

There is also a Global Mode which automatically select the last network you were on. Here is the owners manual; look on page 19.


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Rich Brome

Apr 28, 2009, 10:38 PM
I'm pretty sure all Verizon global phones are locked to only use Verizon/Vodafone SIM cards.

Verizon does not have any roaming agreements in place with domestic GSM carriers. A roaming agreement is necessary in order for roaming to work at all. Most GSM carriers worldwide have them in place to the point that most of us take it for granted. One might assume that any GSM phone, with any SIM, will work on any network, but that's not technically the case.
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Jayshmay

Apr 28, 2009, 11:43 PM
So are you saying if a phone is unlocked/unbranded with a sim card in it that the perspecticve carrier the sim card belongs to doesn't have a roaming agreement phone calls just won't work?
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VZW611LA

Apr 29, 2009, 7:29 AM
Verizon will unlock the phone for you to use other SIM cards over seas in it. And we have lower roaming rates then at&t in lots of places.
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wnrussell

Apr 29, 2009, 8:53 PM
Jayshmay said:
So are you saying if a phone is unlocked/unbranded with a sim card in it that the perspecticve carrier the sim card belongs to doesn't have a roaming agreement phone calls just won't work?

I am saying that the A4500 is a test phone which is completely unlocked, at least the ones that are on the float right now. I see there are dozens of news flashes now off this news item which say that this phone is being released by Verizon.

At least for now, the one I have anyway, with the unlocked SIM, quad band radio, and Wifi are far fetched from the Verizon business models we see today. This phone makes great sense for business, but not for Verizon business.
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silver6054

Apr 29, 2009, 9:49 PM
Rich Brome said:
I'm pretty sure all Verizon global phones are locked to only use Verizon/Vodafone SIM cards.

Verizon does not have any roaming agreements in place with domestic GSM carriers. A roaming agreement is necessary in order for roaming to work at all. Most GSM carriers worldwide have them in place to the point that most of us take it for granted. One might assume that any GSM phone, with any SIM, will work on any network, but that's not technically the case.


The phones are initially (GSM)-locked, but VzW will unlock them if you have been a customer for long enough. Once that has been done, domestic SIMs work fine, I have a T-mobile SIM in my unlocked Samsung Renown, and can make and receive ...
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BLubak1

Apr 30, 2009, 5:32 PM
Verizon does not have any roaming agreements in place with domestic GSM carriers. A roaming agreement is necessary in order for roaming to work at all. Most GSM carriers worldwide have them in place to the point that most of us take it for granted. One might assume that any GSM phone, with any SIM, will work on any network, but that's not technically the case.

^^^ This is right. Verizon Wireless doesn't have any GSM roaming agreements with any other carriers in the U.S. or Canada, so a phone with a VZW GSM SIM won't roam on AT&T, T-Mobile, or Rogers. If you take out the VZW SIM and put in an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Rogers SIM, the phone will roam on other North American GSM carriers, but the SIM won't work at all ...
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