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Good riddance!

WiWavelength

Jan 15, 2009, 3:22 PM
What remains to be seen, however, is if the wireless industry going forward can regain competitive balance from the egregious accumulation & consolidation the FCC permitted during the Martin regime. I fear, unfortunately, that the damage is permanent.

AJ
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h_aguilar84

Jan 15, 2009, 3:43 PM
What is of most concern is Obama has asked for a hold on the Digital TV transistion next month. That spectrum is for LTE that Verizon and AT&T can use. People had enough time to get ready for the change and if the deadline is not met, we all must wait for LTE.
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WiWavelength

Jan 15, 2009, 4:39 PM
No. While any postponement of the DTV transition date could delay access to the Upper/Lower 700 MHz spectrum auctioned last year, that alone should not have any substantial effect on LTE deployment. Both VZW & AT&T have accumulated excessive amounts (re: my previous post) of Cellular 850 MHz, PCS 1900 MHz, and AWS 2100+1700 MHz spectrum that they could potentially use for LTE. If they choose to wait, then they do so of their own accord or because of LTE infrastructure limited availability, not because of any potentially delayed access to their Upper/Lower 700 MHz licenses.

AJ
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haley72

Jan 15, 2009, 7:52 PM
I agree with you 100% However, wouldnt the upper/lower 700mhz give LTE technology better penitrating power into buildings? Therefore improving its impact on the martket? And if it is, would it be worth waiting for said spectrum and delaying the roll out of LTE technology? Thats my understanding, am I wrong?
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Azeron

Jan 15, 2009, 8:15 PM
Both AT&T and VZW hae already declared their plans to use the 700 MHz spectrum for LTE. They certainly could decide otherwise, however I doubt they will. We need all LTE to be on the same frequency anyway to make roaming seamless once all carriers are on LTE (except SprintNextel). I believe that Verizon will deploy dual mode CDMA/LTE handsets initially so that is alrady 800/1900/700. That's enough radios for a domestic handset. Let's not add the 1700/2100 into it.
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WiWavelength

Jan 15, 2009, 9:26 PM
Azeron said:
Both AT&T and VZW hae already declared their plans to use the 700 MHz spectrum for LTE.


No. You misconstrue the logic of AT&T's and VZW's expressed intentions. They have said that they will deploy only LTE in Upper/Lower 700 MHz spectrum. They have NOT said that they will deploy LTE in only Upper/Lower 700 MHz spectrum. See the difference. So, that leaves open the highly likely possibility of LTE in other bands as well. After all, AT&T & VZW are not going to all their Cellular 850 MHz, PCS 1900 MHz, and AWS 2100+1700 MHz spectrum remain the status quo or lie fallow forever.

Azeron said:We need all LTE to be on the same frequency anyway to make roaming
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Azeron

Jan 15, 2009, 9:30 PM
I don't know if they will or not. I also don't know the specifics about LTE. If it is only data then perhaps you are correct. However if LTE involves voice then...they don't have a choice. Carriers are mandated to carry voice calls (but are permitted to charge roaming fees).
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WiWavelength

Jan 15, 2009, 9:44 PM
Azeron said:
Carriers are mandated to carry voice calls (but are permitted to charge roaming fees).


But carriers that do not desire roaming agreements w/ each other are not required to sign roaming agreements w/ each other. So, what makes you think that AT&T and VZW will want LTE roaming agreements w/ each other?

AJ
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shiftmobile

Jan 15, 2009, 11:40 PM
WiWavelength said:
Even when AT&T and VZW have deployed perfectly compatible LTE 700 networks, they will not likely permit roaming on each other's networks. So, dream on.

(And, as for Sprint Nextel, I have long projected that it will deploy LTE in its PCS 1900 MHz spectrum).

AJ


I don't believe the point was to roam on each. I do believe other countries are adopting 700Mhz though in an effort to create a more uniform international roaming experience.
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Jayshmay

Jan 16, 2009, 3:19 AM
That sure would be nice if your right about the whole world deploying LTE on the same 700mhz band. What a wonderful world that would be, the whole globe on one 4G 700mhz band.

I'm curious, do you have a link that says Europe will be deploying LTE on the 700mhz band?
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h_aguilar84

Jan 15, 2009, 10:17 PM
They COULD use other spectrums, but they WILL not. If that were case, then it was pointless to bid on the 700 MHz spectrum to begin with. AT&T and Verizon have stated they intend to use 700 MHz for LTE, so they aren't waiting on their own accord if the DTV transition is delayed.
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WiWavelength

Jan 15, 2009, 10:42 PM
h_aguilar84 said:
They COULD use other spectrums, but they WILL not. If that were case, then it was pointless to bid on the 700 MHz spectrum to begin with.


Pointless? Really?

Reasons why AT&T and VZW bid on Upper/Lower 700 MHz spectrum:

*To acquire longer wavelength spectrum
*To stockpile more spectrum for the future
*To block competitors from obtaining said spectrum

LTE had little to do w/ it.

AJ
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h_aguilar84

Jan 16, 2009, 10:46 AM
WiWavelength said:


LTE had little to do w/ it.

AJ


Nothing to do with it? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Let me point to you the story, directly from Phone Scoop:

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=2922 »

Verizon to Use Spectrum Winnings for LTE

Verizon Wireless said that it will use its 700 MHz spectrum winnings from Auction 73 to deploy its 4G Long Term Evolution network. The winnings increase Verizon's spectrum depth from an average of 52 MHz to 82 MHz. Verizon Wireless plans to launch its LTE network in the 700 MHz spectrum in the 2010 timeframe.
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WiWavelength

Jan 16, 2009, 12:46 PM
h_aguilar84 said:


Nothing to do with it? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. Let me point to you the story, directly from Phone Scoop:

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=2922 »

Verizon to Use Spectrum Winnings for LTE


Apparently, you do not understand formal logic. So, let me teach you.

We can translate the above headline into formal logic as follows:

When VZW deploys Upper/Lower 700 MHz, then it will be LTE.

Does that mean that VZW's Upper/Lower 700 MHz deployments will be all LTE (i.e. no EV-DO 700)? Logically, yes. Does that mean that VZW's LTE deployments will be all Upper/Lower 700 MHz (i.e. no AWS 2100+1700 MHz)? Logically, no, not necessarily.

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crackberry

Jan 15, 2009, 9:03 PM
WiWavelength said:
What remains to be seen, however, is if the wireless industry going forward can regain competitive balance from the egregious accumulation & consolidation the FCC permitted during the Martin regime. I fear, unfortunately, that the damage is permanent.

AJ

i think the wireless industry is better off now than it was 8 years ago. the companies offer more coverage and better prices. it's called capitalism...
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WiWavelength

Jan 15, 2009, 9:13 PM
crackberry said:it's called capitalism...


Should capitalists be allowed to hoard & misuse public resources to stymie the competition?

AJ
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Azeron

Jan 15, 2009, 9:32 PM
Are all your posts this negative?
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WiWavelength

Jan 15, 2009, 9:46 PM
I tell it like it is.

AJ
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shiftmobile

Jan 15, 2009, 11:41 PM
WiWavelength said:
I tell it like it is.

AJ


Careful, you're telling it like you think it is.
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WiWavelength

Jan 16, 2009, 1:27 AM
No. AT&T and VZW are hoarding & misusing public spectrum. And they are stymieing healthy competition. There is such substantial evidence against them that it would be difficult to "think" any other way.

Do you have a different viewpoint? Can you marshal evidence to the contrary?

AJ
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Azeron

Jan 16, 2009, 8:28 AM
Why is it that when you make an arguement that states your opinions as facts, it is up to someone else to do the same thing to refute your statement? No. What evidence do you have to support your statements? If you had real evidence that AT&T and Verizon were hoarding spectrum to prevent competition then so would Justice and the FTC. I'm pretty sure they would hasve fined the hell out of those companies by now if it could be proven.
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WiWavelength

Jan 16, 2009, 12:19 PM
Azeron said:
What evidence do you have to support your statements? If you had real evidence that AT&T and Verizon were hoarding spectrum to prevent competition then so would Justice and the FTC. I'm pretty sure they would hasve fined the hell out of those companies by now if it could be proven.


The Republican controlled FCC -- first under Michael Powell, later under Kevin Martin -- was complicit in AT&T's and VZW's hoarding of spectrum and anti competitive behavior because the FCC used inadequate screening measures. That is either incompetence or downright malfeasance. Rightly so, Congress is looking into the matter. And, thank heavens, Martin is leaving office.

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PEZ

Jan 16, 2009, 7:36 AM
Asta la Pasta Martin! HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAA... byotccchhhh slaaaaaap.
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