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iDEN Version of RAZR Cuts Through FCC

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Sprint is the most idiotic company in the industry....

EliteABombAZ

Oct 22, 2008, 4:53 PM
They were great 2003-2006. Now they are garbage. Why release more iDEN phones when you have a HUGE "FOR SALE" sign on the network? Concentrate on getting more and better CDMA exclusives. They really dropped the ball in letting Verizon snatch up the Blackberry Storm. Glad I left that sinking ship...
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snip3rm00n

Oct 22, 2008, 5:23 PM
No, this isn't Sprint. This is Motorola. Motorola is the company that controls iDEN and the Razr. Motorola was the one who dropped the ball.
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Rich Brome

Oct 22, 2008, 6:43 PM
Not really... Sprint is Motorola's customer. Motorola makes what Sprint wants. Trust me, that's how it works.

Say what you want about Motorola's strategy (and there's plenty to say) but even they are not stupid enough to bring a phone this far along in development without Sprint saying that's what they want.
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durkadurkha

Oct 22, 2008, 10:29 PM
i dont know how to build a cellphone but i thought they build all of these RAZR's on 1 assebly line and just switch out the chip that recieves the signal- how much extra work could be involved?
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Rich Brome

Oct 22, 2008, 10:35 PM
...how much extra work could be involved?

Picture a lot, then double it. Wink

No, seriously.

Each model requires at least 18 months of planning and engineering, and no, you can't just swap out a chip and make a CDMA phone into a GSM one. Not even close.
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snip3rm00n

Oct 22, 2008, 11:21 PM
Speaking as a rep for Sprint who is specifically trained as an iDEN speciallist. We only get iDEN phones when Motorola decides to make them and releases them for use in the USA. We get to choose between the ones that are available, hense why we do not use the i876 and i877 like SouthernLINC has. The only phones we asked Motorola to make specifically were the PowerSource devices (ic902, ic602, ic502 and ic402) and even then we just asked for devices that connect to CDMA and iDEN at the same time and asked for atleast one to be a multimedia phone (ic902). Everything else was all Motorola. Smile
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Rich Brome

Oct 23, 2008, 9:02 AM
So you honestly think Motorola never thought to ask its largest iDEN customer "What's your strategy for the upcoming couple of years and what kind of phones would you like to support that strategy?"
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Jorin

Oct 23, 2008, 3:04 PM
Yeah... sorry snip, but you wanna be careful with the whole 'I work for Sprint' bit, cause unfortunately thats just not how it works...
It would be a much different world if carriers only sold what manufacturers came up with or decided to make. Can't say better or worse, but MUCH different...
What's happening here, is that Dan's trying to make the network look valuble... which imho, it is.

...oh yeah, and I work for Sprint... Wink
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SteelHere

Oct 25, 2008, 5:40 PM
Well I worked for Sprint for 4 years and was a Store Manager. They never stop surprising me on how they will do something smart, followed with doing something stupid...ie merging with Nextel in the first place. I am glad I work for a different carrier now. Sprint could have said no to this phone. Motorola does not dictate to Sprint. Why do you think Motorolla only until the merger with Nextel did not have a Moto handset on it's roster for years. Infact I believe before the RAZR the last moto phone they had was the Timeport...lol. Sprint has never had a great relationship with Motorola.
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Rich Brome

Oct 22, 2008, 6:40 PM
EliteABombAZ said:
... Why release more iDEN phones when you have a HUGE "FOR SALE" sign on the network? ...

Confused That fact that they might sell the iDEN network is *exactly* why they are still releasing phones for it. If they just let iDEN die, who would want to buy it?

With that said, I agree that they should have transitioned to CDMA more aggressively. They should have CDMA working in the old iDEN spectrum by now and be phasing out iDEN completely. When they were about to launch CDMA Direct Connect, I was sure that's what was going to happen. Then they launched it and said they would continue releasing new iDEN phones. I still don't understand that decision. Now here they are with no really good...
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tuxedosun

Oct 22, 2008, 9:30 PM
Sprint will never get rid of the iden network. Alot of government agencies are strickly iden because of the usage they can get from the network and is still the fastest/best ptt network around. The QCHat services is still in test markets and does have all the same features that the iden service uses, that are used by the government agencies. If they were to sell the network, they would loose half of their subscribers...
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cellphonesaretools

Oct 24, 2008, 7:49 AM
Not to mention that besides the PTT performance, so far the iDEN PTT side has shown that in many cases (not all of course, but many), iDEN PTT keeps running when all other cellular systems are down or overloaded. The very fact that Nextel's iDEN PTT is effectively a tower-to-tower system that bypasses the PSTN (public switched telephone network) is one of the reasons to not let it die.

re: "If they were to sell the [Nextel] network, they would lose half of their subscribers... "
> I agree. If Nextel & iDEN go away, I will be the first customer to exit Sprint and sign up at Verizon. No question about that. If Sprint does ever shut down the iDEN network, stand aside so you don't get caught in the vortex of the Nextel faithful rushing f...
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Slammer

Oct 24, 2008, 4:24 PM
I agree. If Nextel & iDEN go away, I will be the first customer to exit Sprint and sign up at Verizon. No question about that. If Sprint does ever shut down the iDEN network, stand aside so you don't get caught in the vortex of the Nextel faithful rushing for the exits.







It saddens me when I hear stuff like this. I said the exact same thing 2 years ago and when our company decided to make the decision to leave Nextel, We chose Sprint as the replacement. It ended up being the best decision. Verizon may be the better company for you but I would not over look Sprint. you might be surprised as we were.
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cellphonesaretools

Oct 25, 2008, 1:57 PM
I'm glad that Sprint has worked out for you.

We have used Verizon as well as Nextel, so I have personal experience with Verizon, and although Verizon is not my favorite company, they are much better than Sprint could ever hope to be.

I have had to deal with Sprint's incompetence, arrogance and indifference since they F'ed over Nextel starting end of 2005. Three years with Sprint is more than any person or company should have to bear.

I am loyal to Nextel; Nextel EARNED my respect via their performance for many years.

I have ZERO loyalty to Sprint; Sprint has, at every possible turn, unerringly made the wrong choices with respect to the Nextel customer base. Add to that Sprint's consistent demonstrations of incompetence, and there...
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jsaavedr1

Oct 23, 2008, 9:35 AM
Seriously people, be glad that they are at least still coming out with phones for Nextel. If they were jerks about it, they would have forced people to move over to the Sprint side of things. Obviously they havent because there are still a lot of people that use Nextel because they believe in the brand. If you don't like the way they handle things or the phones they come out with then there's the door, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
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NoLeftHere

Oct 23, 2008, 1:11 PM
Does everyone know that IDEN was Motorola's baby? Why do you think that all IDEN were moto's before the merger. Moto does control when and what phone goes where.
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jrfdsf

Oct 23, 2008, 3:20 PM
NoLeftHere said:
Does everyone know that IDEN was Motorola's baby? Why do you think that all IDEN were moto's before the merger. Moto does control when and what phone goes where.


You're forgetting about the Blackberrys (RIM).
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