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Bad for Sprint Good for Verizon

Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 12:40 PM
Hopefully sprint can stop their massive hemorrhaging and convince their customers to stay.

But I think sprint still lacks the necessary skills to implement a first class ad campaign.

Once Verizon releases their qhcat GzOne and a few other phones in the works, followed by a massive ad campaign it will be the end for sprints qchat.
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pleasant400

Jun 10, 2008, 12:46 PM
This is very interesting ,I agree a great move on verizon"s part.I figured this was coming its been rumored for a while now
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mrsancho07

Jun 10, 2008, 1:01 PM
does this mean that u can PTT between Spring and VZW? I'm a little confused.
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 1:09 PM
No you will not be able to do that.
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mrsancho07

Jun 10, 2008, 1:11 PM
I thought so.
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wade496

Jun 12, 2008, 12:08 PM
Who are Verizon customers going to push to talk. Sprint does offer a better push to talk service hands down. Verizon can only try, I do applaud them for trying
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SPRINTPDAGUY

Jun 10, 2008, 3:16 PM
honestly....verzion/any other carrier will never have anything close to sprints ptt/dc network. it will takes years to catch up. nextel has had ptt service for over 15 years...other carriers have had it for about 3 years....good luck vzw... 🤨
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 3:24 PM
I agree nothing will beat iden, but sprint is going be pushing qchat not iden. So sprint and verizon will be on the same playing field. Now who is losing millions of customers and who is signing up millions.
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SPRINTPDAGUY

Jun 10, 2008, 3:29 PM
i know this. i work for sprint. and we are not discussing the losing or gaining of customers here..im talking about technology aspect. it will take verzion years to catch up and test everything. it would be a waste of money. sprint may have a bad rep as a company but with ptt service it would take a HUGE event ot convince all the current ptt user to think vzw will ever be better or near the quality sprint. plus with buying out alltel and the 700 mhz auction they will be adding to there debt with the technology push....
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nextel18

Jun 10, 2008, 3:32 PM
Not exactly playing field. Granted Brewchat does work on Qchat but some of the aspects are different. Interoperability and pushing multimedia between users are key. Performance and costs are a little bit more in favor of Qchat.
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nextel18

Jun 10, 2008, 3:34 PM
Sorry.
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SPRINTPDAGUY

Jun 10, 2008, 3:35 PM
qchat will cost alot less to maintain over iden....iden it costing the company to much to maintain at the pace its going....
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nextel18

Jun 10, 2008, 4:49 PM
Well running two networks does indeed increase capital expenditures so of course but they need to get those 18 million of customers from Nextel onto Sprint’s network. Qchat costs also $.0012 per call. It also does use the REV A network that Sprint needs to allocate more spectrum and increase its efficiency. So yes you are right that it does cost less but expect Sprint’s CDMA capex to increase. Sprint has to run both networks until they either spin it off, or migrate the customers from IDEN to CDMA. You can’t just shut it off. In addition, you have to think about Boost and the public safety and businesses that have Nextel.
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SPRINTPDAGUY

Jun 10, 2008, 5:01 PM
In the long run iden will drift away very slowly. I know that it doesnt happen over night. We launch qchat phones on the 15th of this month. We will know more then about offers to exsisting nextel or sprint customers. When sprint launched hybrid devices they let anyone upgrade over to them no matter how long they have had their current phones or their contract dates. I would not be suprised to see the same thing with this to get people to switch.
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nextel18

Jun 10, 2008, 5:45 PM
It could be years before they even think about getting rid of IDEN but they already wrote down the asset so might as well keep it because chances are, well they hope, the asset will go back up again and then they can take a gain on the asset.
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 3:55 PM
ok. but i will reserve complete judgment when verizon releases their offerings.
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 3:55 PM
until*
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 3:53 PM
SPRINTPDAGUY said:
i know this. i work for sprint. and we are not discussing the losing or gaining of customers here..im talking about technology aspect. it will take verzion years to catch up and test everything. it would be a waste of money. sprint may have a bad rep as a company but with ptt service it would take a HUGE event ot convince all the current ptt user to think vzw will ever be better or near the quality sprint. plus with buying out alltel and the 700 mhz auction they will be adding to there debt with the technology push....


im not trying to down Sprint, but imo you got to consider the numbers game when sprint is losing so much, it presents opportunity for verizon is all. i understand that spr...
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SPRINTPDAGUY

Jun 10, 2008, 3:56 PM
i agree with you on the customer thing...but we have made more improvements in the last few months then in the past 3 years (a new ceo helped) i would say by the end of the year there should be some better things to say about sprint, but for the time being maybe not...
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 4:02 PM
yeah i would prefer sprint to continue to be the PTT leader, in fact i like Sprint and have used the service before. i hate the fact that iden is going away. i wish they could just run them as two separate networks, but understand that's not cost affective. the video i saw on the performance of qchat looked every bit at good as iden. i have used the ic502 and know the value of ptt, and it could be a complete joke on verizon part to try to jump in again, but i dunno. hope sprint does beter.
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scorpio

Jun 10, 2008, 1:17 PM
How is this bad for Sprint?... Sprint launched their QChat, Verizon hasn't, not to mention Sprint services are still less than Verizon.

Besides, youre talking about ONE feature, a feature Sprint has rolled out.
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 1:26 PM
I clearly explain why I think it's bad for Sprint, Sprint can't execute anything very well. Sprint really needs to put the word out to their remaining Nextel customers, and offer huge incentives on handsets in order to retain customers.
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wade496

Jun 12, 2008, 12:13 PM
They already have like said in previous posts this has been in nextel for 15 years there is experience unlike Verizon who hasnt started to execute anything. Verizon is executing Alltel wireless
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carmodboy99

Jun 10, 2008, 2:19 PM
beyond that, youre talking about a new feature that is backward compatible with the tremendous following that is Nextel Direct Connect, the reason very standard for PTT that no one was able to compete with the first time around that everybody tried to penetrate the PTT market. Verizon is quite seriously just wasting money with this new attempt
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 2:21 PM
right the same iden network that will shut down by 2012
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carmodboy99

Jun 10, 2008, 2:37 PM
Even if that was to happen (and it wont) 4 years is enough time for verizon to dump enough money into a hopeless cause (though i think they'll give up AGAIN before that happens) and upset their customer base with their sorry offering. Way to go!
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 3:13 PM
Right like you know what will happen to the iden network, just one month back Sprint was considering selling it off. Don't worry yourself about verizon, Sprint is one known for making piss poor business decisions.
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carmodboy99

Jun 10, 2008, 6:10 PM
This coming from the jackass telling us that Iden will be phased out by 2012... yea, and you know because you built it right?

May/2008
http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=153102 »


Various Sprint spokespeople told Unstrung that the operator could not comment on the latest round of "rumor and speculation." Nonetheless, spokesman James Fisher says the operator is "committed" to the iDEN network.

"We see it as a key differentiator for us," he adds.

When it completed the $36 billion merger with Nextel in 2005, the operator made some statements about phasing out the network in 2010. Fisher says a phase-out is no longer in the cards, and Sprint has no plans to shut down iDEN.

>>With no source quoted FROM SPRINT, the wall st...
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wade496

Jun 12, 2008, 12:18 PM
I will let it go. You cant beat a dead horse
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hondaccordex

Jun 10, 2008, 1:31 PM
How many people does verizon have with a PTT phone on their network? Certainly not the 20 million people Sprint ALREADY has on Nextel, not to mention the millions that will get qchat phones, verizon should just give up on trying to compete with sprint/nextel, no one has ever or will ever come close. Especially when verizon has 2 on the way, and sprint has 4 ready to launch in 5 days and 2 more to follow shortly.
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 1:35 PM
hondaccordex said:
verizon should just give up on trying to compete with sprint/nextel,.


🤣 Sorry I had to laugh at that one.

Maybe you did not read the article, sprint is coming out with brewchat which works on REVA just like Sprint's new qchat 😲 so that means they're on a level playing field now 😲
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 1:35 PM
veriozn* but hopefully you understand now.
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wade496

Jun 12, 2008, 12:21 PM
They can still PTT all of the old dc users at no charge to them
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nextel18

Jun 10, 2008, 1:53 PM
Actually it might be bad for Qualcomm. Because that is based off of Qchat, which Sprint has exclusively. should be interesting in the upcoming months of what happens and whether or not Sprint sues Qualcomm and Verizon and/or they will tell Verizon to pay them for licensing fees. Qchat has I think only 2 real big advantages. 1. Interoperability between IDEN and CDMA and 2. You can send data or relaying data that’s multimedia over the push to talk handsets.
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scorpio

Jun 10, 2008, 2:35 PM
All you're doing is stating your opinion nothing factual about that, you can try to "explain" all you want, in the end it's just YOU'RE opinion. Do you honestly think 20 mil Nextel users will jump ship to Verizon just to pay more in service fees, for a service Verizon has yet to perfect, let alone roll-out. Now that's laughable.
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 3:22 PM
scorpio said:
All you're doing is stating your opinion nothing factual about that.


Right to some degree that is the idea of a forum, definitely came to the table with something more then you. But the facts are sprint is bleeding customers at an alarming rate, over 1 million every 3 months! 😲 Most are iden customers. Verizon is known for smart business decision, they see an opportunity and are pouncing on it.
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cell phones are evil

Jun 10, 2008, 2:59 PM
Quick question

I haven't heard the Verizon PTT in action does it work pretty good?

I know the ATT push to talk is decent denpending on the handset they are using but not the greatest.

Just wandering thanks!
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youareretarded

Jun 10, 2008, 4:19 PM
Just not gonna happen. The reason why Sprint/Nextel still has push to talk customers has NOTHING to do with speed. It has nothing to do with the fact that its Sprint/Nextel. It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that there's 20 million people who can chirp one another. Verizon will fail at this attempt... again. Chirp is fantastic in the business world (I guess, cuz that's where I see them) and its a great novelty for regular consumers. But that's what it is, a novelty. As a result of its novelty status, people are not going to switch unless they can get ALL their friends/coworkers to switch. We all know how hard that is due to contracts not ending at the same time. This is an interesting attempt, but one doomed for failure.
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 4:36 PM
Sprint has lost a lot of their high APRU PTT customers who have just ditched their PTT altogether in favor of M2M, so you very well might be right. It will be fun to watch, I still think with the power of verizon advertising that they could cash in big tiem on sprint bleeding...a million customers every 3 months is no small potatoes.

Verizon is known for smart choices, they have upgraded their network for a reason. They're not re-releasing, they just are improving the already existing service.
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jrfdsf

Jun 10, 2008, 4:51 PM
Its-The-Network said:
Sprint has lost a lot of their high APRU PTT customers who have just ditched their PTT altogether in favor of M2M, so you very well might be right. It will be fun to watch, I still think with the power of verizon advertising that they could cash in big tiem on sprint bleeding...a million customers every 3 months is no small potatoes.

Verizon is known for smart choices, they have upgraded their network for a reason. They're not re-releasing, they just are improving the already existing service.


Even with the loss of iDEN subs, it's highly unlikely that folks will latch onto a new PTT service so they can talk to a small handful of people with it.

A buddy of mine works for Utilique...
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 4:59 PM
I understand and agree just saying their is room for verizon to succeed here where there was limited success prior. Sprint needs to turn around faster to not loose market share.
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youareretarded

Jun 11, 2008, 10:30 PM
Your comments are concise and well put. Thanks for the discussion 🙂
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scorpio

Jun 10, 2008, 5:08 PM
No matter how you try to spin it Verizon will fail at this, you continue to spew garbage. Sprint has lost 1 million customers in the last year and 1 million in the last Q, saying Sprint loses 1 million customers every 3 months is very misleading. Most of the customers Sprint lost are not profitable.

Please stop talking out of your ass!
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Its-The-Network

Jun 10, 2008, 8:19 PM
Um wrong. Sprint lost over 1+ million customer last quarter, and the quarter before, and the quarter before. I'll let you know when they stop. Don't Take is so personally it really shows your true colors.
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nextel18

Jun 10, 2008, 8:21 PM
“Most of the customers Sprint lost are not profitable.” What? Check out the latest ARPU figures and see how much they came down. Nextel’s IDEN continues to have issues, which have usually had the highest ARPU in the industry. Check out the combined ARPU now.
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