AT&T Announces New iPhone Plan Pricing
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There goes at&t again stealing from their customers. If only TMO had their 3G up and running, it would give at&t some real competition and maybe they will stop these unethical practices.
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How is this unethical? Do you know what the definition of ethics is?
Every other 3G phone with a full keyboard and similar feature sets are a 30 dollar a month internet package.
You want cool technology, you pay for it. You want it on T-mobile? Buy one off e-bay and unlock it stop whining like a baby b*tch.
Every other 3G phone with a full keyboard and similar feature sets are a 30 dollar a month internet package.
You want cool technology, you pay for it. You want it on T-mobile? Buy one off e-bay and unlock it stop whining like a baby b*tch.
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Well just because they aren't gouging iPhone customers more than others doesn't mean they aren't gouging customers to begin with.
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They are really gouging customers so much they are going to loose millions to the tune of 10-12 cents a share. What are you talking about?????
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They are subsidizing the iPhone $200 and charging $10 more/month for a 2 year contract means then are making $40 more.
If you believe the numbers AT&T is promoting I got a bridge in Brooklyn I would like yo sell you.
If you believe the numbers AT&T is promoting I got a bridge in Brooklyn I would like yo sell you.
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AshDizzle said:
How is this unethical? Do you know what the definition of ethics is?
Every other 3G phone with a full keyboard and similar feature sets are a 30 dollar a month internet package.
You want cool technology, you pay for it. You want it on T-mobile? Buy one off e-bay and unlock it stop whining like a baby b*tch.
BS the Nokias offer far more features and till only $15 UL data......
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unethical ... are you kidding me? what school of business did you come from? why don't you start up a multi-billion dollar company that's responsibile of tens of thousands of employees and their families and then start giving away the farm. you'll last less than a day.
T-mobile is cheap because they don't have that much assets to maintain. go figure. wanna be cheap? stay small.
T-mobile is cheap because they don't have that much assets to maintain. go figure. wanna be cheap? stay small.
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1) as already stated, these data rate plan prices are in line with what vzw and att charge for blackberries and pda type devices.
2) if you had any idea about the ridiculous capital expenditures required for a national 3G network outlay, you probably wouldnt throw around terms like 'unethical'.
if and when t-mobile decides to become a more serious national contender network wise (beyond the low cost consumer market), they will need similar rate plans to vzw and att (for now they'll stick to roaming agreements on at&t's network).
2) if you had any idea about the ridiculous capital expenditures required for a national 3G network outlay, you probably wouldnt throw around terms like 'unethical'.
if and when t-mobile decides to become a more serious national contender network wise (beyond the low cost consumer market), they will need similar rate plans to vzw and att (for now they'll stick to roaming agreements on at&t's network).
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If T-Mobile had their 3G up and working and had spent $20 Biiiiiiiiiilion over the last 4 years on their network THEY WOULD ALSO BE CHARGING $30 FOR DATA.
Good/Fast/Cheap
You can only have 2.
Good/Fast/Cheap
You can only have 2.
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What?! Stop this madness. AT&T is losing out from this deal because they lose money per phone, which attributes to less revenue and less profitability. Thus they have to charge to try to offset those losses.
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No, AT&T is no longer beholden to the crazy revenue sharing arrangement they had with Apple for the first-gen iPhone, so now AT&T will milk the cow.
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Actually yes and even AT&T’s CFO says they, $.10-$.12 per year for the next two years (times 6bill outstanding shares= $660m [this is just a rough number based on only a few million Iphones sold} [I took the $.11}) are so I would tend to agree with them. Of course, overtime they should do very well, but for right now they are losing $300 per phone, and who knows if the customers would stay for 40 days, 300 days, 365 days or for the full 730 days.
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Lol that is from a blog and that is about text messages. I was talking about how much they would be losing upfront from this deal. Of course longer term they should do very well after 2010 if it is a success. Here are the links that state that;
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINBNG63 ... » “In a separate move, Lehman cut its price target on AT&T Inc (T.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the exclusive U.S. carrier for the iPhone, to $49 from $54. The company said on Monday that it expected the iPhone subsidies to cut its earnings per share by 10 cents to 12 cents in 2008 and 2009. AT&T has also said the subsidies would put pressure on its forecast for double-digit earnings gro...
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http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINBNG63 ... » “In a separate move, Lehman cut its price target on AT&T Inc (T.N: Quote, Profile, Research), the exclusive U.S. carrier for the iPhone, to $49 from $54. The company said on Monday that it expected the iPhone subsidies to cut its earnings per share by 10 cents to 12 cents in 2008 and 2009. AT&T has also said the subsidies would put pressure on its forecast for double-digit earnings gro...
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How are they losing anything?
They either make at least $160 more over the 2 year contract [compard to the first-gen iPhone] or they get $174 ETF fee plus 1 month plus of service fees for anyone who cancels after 30 days [to cancel service within the first 30 days, the customer must return their equipment to the place of purchase (no exceptions)].
They either make at least $160 more over the 2 year contract [compard to the first-gen iPhone] or they get $174 ETF fee plus 1 month plus of service fees for anyone who cancels after 30 days [to cancel service within the first 30 days, the customer must return their equipment to the place of purchase (no exceptions)].
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I gave data and articles saying that I think you can re-read them. by the way AT&T has about 6 bill outstanding shares so you can use that calculation into $.10-$.12 per share they would lose per year. I said also in the short term they are going to lose money. I am done talking about this because I proved my point and showed articles, and analysts’ reports and even provided information from AT&T’s statement.
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And as I said before if you believe the 10-12 cents per share loss I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
Why on the day that Apple announces the 3g iPhone does the stock lose $4+ but over time the stock goes up? Don't believe the hypa about an at&t lose here. If they kept doing losing deals how would they stay in business.
Why on the day that Apple announces the 3g iPhone does the stock lose $4+ but over time the stock goes up? Don't believe the hypa about an at&t lose here. If they kept doing losing deals how would they stay in business.
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So AT&T would lie to shareholders causing shareholder withdrawals, which forces the company to buy back stock in the terms of 10s of billions of dollars worth, which will definitely eat into their cash flow and earnings? they would also risk having issues with credibility? Also would risk possible indictments? Lying to shareholders especially since their shareholders are largely institutional who hold billions of dollars worth of their stock wouldn’t like it one bit. They are a better company then that sorry to disappoint you.
The reason is because this new model doesn’t include revenue sharing and Apple would be losing $15 per month per subscriber. Therefore, shareholders were a bit
surprised/upset about this new deal as opp...
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The reason is because this new model doesn’t include revenue sharing and Apple would be losing $15 per month per subscriber. Therefore, shareholders were a bit
surprised/upset about this new deal as opp...
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I'm not saying they directly lie but all companies try to undervalue so they can outperform later. When Apple only beats profits forecasts by 10% instead of say 20% their stock goes down [but they still BEAT profits forecasts, crazy]. So I don't think it is out of line to say at&t is hoping to downplay things here so that they can show 'better than expected'...
If at&t needs 2 years before they stop losing money then they are idiots imo. We all know a year from now we will be talking about the 3rd generation of this phone.
If at&t needs 2 years before they stop losing money then they are idiots imo. We all know a year from now we will be talking about the 3rd generation of this phone.
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Undervalue of course because many companies want to over deliver expect the street (Wall Street) and Analysts are now catching on to this and aren’t liking this and that is why they look for more than just bottom and top line numbers. They look for future earnings, revenue, and margins. Stocks can go up and down for any reason what so ever. You can have a company missing but gives better news on the target with revenue, profits and margin, or any other news and the company goes up or vice versa. Stock could go down because of profit taking. Stock could go down because of a downgrade and up on an upgrade. Also, on a downgrade or upgrade of debt.
Well, perhaps that they are thinking that they will sign up millions of customers to this ...
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I like your math although I would go conservative and say $75/month instead of $90. That works out to $7.2 billion over 2 year and $6 billion net. But let's say only half stay 2 years which still means a $2.4 billion net [forget the ETF's that would be added in].
And that was my point that it's hard to claim problems when even some quick estimates on numbers produce billions in net revenue. Even if only 25% of that is profit due to advertising and network upgrades we're still talking over half a billion dollars. Just hard for me to listen to at&t cry about making a bad deal.
I think we're on the same page here 🙂
And that was my point that it's hard to claim problems when even some quick estimates on numbers produce billions in net revenue. Even if only 25% of that is profit due to advertising and network upgrades we're still talking over half a billion dollars. Just hard for me to listen to at&t cry about making a bad deal.
I think we're on the same page here 🙂
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Some say $75/month some say $90/month. So I wanted to go with the higher one because you never know these days who will pay up for more services especially since you have to add on text messages and perhaps other plans to get what you want, but yes being conservative is a great idea.
They are just saying upfront they are losing money but as we both pointed out overtime (2 years when they start generating the revenue) they will make a very big profit. It’s just one of those things where they have to state something to the public shareholders. They are a publicly held company so sometimes they must do this to ease investors.
They are just saying upfront they are losing money but as we both pointed out overtime (2 years when they start generating the revenue) they will make a very big profit. It’s just one of those things where they have to state something to the public shareholders. They are a publicly held company so sometimes they must do this to ease investors.
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Great article. So now at&t is clearing $40 more than the first-gen iPhone, does not have to share plan revenue with Apple and will also make $120 more from messaging [$5/month for 200 messages times 24 months].
As Kuja said to start this all
As Kuja said to start this all
Kuja said:
The rip-offs continue
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get a grip it's only ten bucks more for a 3G data, and next week gas will be 4.50! and milk 5 bucks a gallon. I say it's worth it
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Actually, gas already is at $4.50 to $5 a gallon depending where you are. Here in the SF Bay Area it already is...
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Oh really mr smarty pants? Well do you already have 3G iphones there too since you're so special? HMM?
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Lol, no, but will when they are officially released on 7/11/08. Unless someone knows someone who works at Apple or something cause Apple is based here...
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lol...AT&T nickels and dimes its customers just like the Bellsouth nickels and dimes its land line and then they wonder why are they losing customers all day long. TMO and Vonage R...O...c..K...S
Get TMO cell phone
Charter Cable Internet and Vonage for your home and say Goodbye to Bellsouth/AT&T
ATT is not getting my Dollars or by nickels and dimes
Get TMO cell phone
Charter Cable Internet and Vonage for your home and say Goodbye to Bellsouth/AT&T
ATT is not getting my Dollars or by nickels and dimes
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brandyT said:
you are just a bitter little man. I feel sorry for you mama
And you're ignorant in the world of ENTERPRISE business.
But I understand, you like your niche market players and mom and pop shops that can give away the farm. They can afford to do that. Enterprises can't.
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You just showed how ignorant you are... TMO International and Charter make att look like a conner coffee shop. If you think Enterprise is getting so big that you can't even see your customers and try to rip them off, then my friend you are right.
I get a better signal with TMO in my City and I get faster data speeds with edge (on the iphone) then I used to get on att. So you can be like sheep and keep paying the high prices to att. I can save some money on my phone bill and use that money to fill up my Lexus. BTW i put regular gas in my Lexus with no problems and i will sell it when it hits 100K to maybe a att customer who will then waste money on the "high grade' rip off..LOL
I get a better signal with TMO in my City and I get faster data speeds with edge (on the iphone) then I used to get on att. So you can be like sheep and keep paying the high prices to att. I can save some money on my phone bill and use that money to fill up my Lexus. BTW i put regular gas in my Lexus with no problems and i will sell it when it hits 100K to maybe a att customer who will then waste money on the "high grade' rip off..LOL
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Congrats I drive an early 90s Lexus with just over 100k miles too, whats your point? Some people choose to be frugal, some choose not to care. You seem to be half way.
I got to say though, if your Lexus recommended premium, you probably should of put premium in. If you know anything about cars you'd realize that some cars have strict design clearances and the nastier the fuel the poorer it runs. So in the end you're just going to run into more problems in the long run. But hey, you're a self proclaimed jerk who sells a mistreated car and probably tells the new owner you always put premium in.
I got to say though, if your Lexus recommended premium, you probably should of put premium in. If you know anything about cars you'd realize that some cars have strict design clearances and the nastier the fuel the poorer it runs. So in the end you're just going to run into more problems in the long run. But hey, you're a self proclaimed jerk who sells a mistreated car and probably tells the new owner you always put premium in.
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brandyT said:
You just showed how ignorant you are... TMO International and Charter make att look like a conner coffee shop. If you think Enterprise is getting so big that you can't even see your customers and try to rip them off, then my friend you are right.
I get a better signal with TMO in my City and I get faster data speeds with edge (on the iphone) then I used to get on att. So you can be like sheep and keep paying the high prices to att. I can save some money on my phone bill and use that money to fill up my Lexus. BTW i put regular gas in my Lexus with no problems and i will sell it when it hits 100K to maybe a att customer who will then waste money on the "high grade' rip off..LOL
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Actually your dollars, nickles, and dimes are going to at&t, via Vonage. The suit brought against Vonage by at&t, Sprint, and Verizon back in October involved the way voice transmission is handled over packet-switched networks.
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Actually, Apple will get a lot of money from this deal. AT&T is the one losing from it.
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Huh? I was just responding to brandyT's response. She stated at&t will never get a dollar, nickle o dime from her. I stated, at&t is getting her dollars, nickles, and dimes, via Vonage. How did Apple get involved with patent lawsuit? 😕
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To be honest I didn’t read what you said all I saw was nickel and dime. And since it is in the apple and Iphone forum as well as the topic I just put two and two together to equal 4.
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How is this stealing? Thats pretty much the standard price of data from verizon and sprint. I pay more for my BlackBerry plan with unlimited text messaging. This gives you access to 3G. How is this a ripoff if pricing is in line with what everyone else charges for their PDA phones?
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TMO charges 20 bucks for unlimited data and i have a unlimited mins and text for 99 so for 120 bucks i get unlimited mins, text, and internet on my unlocked iPHONE and i am good to go.
Well, it does help TMO cause they are not paying up to 25% of my bill to Apple.
Who is lauging now AT&T fanboys????
Well, it does help TMO cause they are not paying up to 25% of my bill to Apple.
Who is lauging now AT&T fanboys????
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Im not an AT&T fanboy .. but in my area, Tmobile sucks balls. Signal is spotty and sounds like crap compared to AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon.
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i'm laughing pretty hard...good for you...you unlocked your iphone...you did exactly what you should have done if you wanted one, bought it and unlocked it, you wanna prize or something a lot of people have done the exact same thing
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I'm glad you're getting a low price. Unfortunately, if T-Mobile wants to upgrade from a niche/small player role and rise up to the big leagues such as AT&T and VZW, they will need a major upgrade and be on par with today's technology trends instead of years behind.
To accomplish that, they will to increase their rates.
I pay more than T-Mobile rates for a service like VZW because my lifestyle and business/non-profit ventures require comprehensive coverage and a 3G network.
If I were to switch over to T-Mobile because I want something cheap like yours, my productivity would decrease by 20-30%.
To accomplish that, they will to increase their rates.
I pay more than T-Mobile rates for a service like VZW because my lifestyle and business/non-profit ventures require comprehensive coverage and a 3G network.
If I were to switch over to T-Mobile because I want something cheap like yours, my productivity would decrease by 20-30%.
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so does this means the rumors of unlimited internet using the T-MobileWeb for 5.99 a month on the iPhone are untrue??? I heard you could do that.
If you can, count me in.
If you can, count me in.
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You can do it. I had that plan and an unlocked iphone without issue.
Great time to pickup a 2.5G iPhone on the cheap too.
Great time to pickup a 2.5G iPhone on the cheap too.
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oh man that's sweetness. Speed isn't an issue with me, so that's a definate possibiliy. i'm drooling right now.
to bad coverage IS an issue.
to bad coverage IS an issue.
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Standard my azz, I have 5 lines on my Sprint acct 3 use data, primary line I get free unlimited data includes free unlimited txt, 2nd and 3rd lines I pay $10 bucks each. There are many-many Sprint customers who have a plan similar to mine. Even Sprints current data rates are less than Att's. Att's data does not include messaging.
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Well let's think about it. Apple reduces the price on the handset, which in turn creates more volume sales (more people can afford it now). AT&T raises their monthly data rate by $10 ($10..right?). So it's a win-win for both sides, more people buying handsets and those same people are spending $10 more per month.
"Brilliant!!" -- Guinness slogan
"Brilliant!!" -- Guinness slogan
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Are you a share holder or something, if not how is this a "win-win" situation? In the long run the customer pays more for a service that does not include messaging, TV or GPS. So realistically you pay more (as opposed to iphone 1.0) for the iphone 2.0 which still can't record video and does not have MMS. At least with Sprint you get those features included with data.
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Nope not a shareholder. Just looking at it from an economic standpoint. It's a win-win situation...not for the consumer though (well not economically at least)
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if, "not for the consumer though" then how is it a win-win, "from an economic standpoint" ???
Looks to me like Apple is winning big.
at&t is breaking even or getting a little.
customers are getting a red hot poker up their @ss like in history of the world part I.
Looks to me like Apple is winning big.
at&t is breaking even or getting a little.
customers are getting a red hot poker up their @ss like in history of the world part I.
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yes..that was what I was saying. the consumer is getting screwed and the providers are in a win-win for themselves.
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That’s what has to happen. Of course overall the consumer is actually paying a little bit more than the previous models. Do some math. $200 for the cheapest plus an extra $15, let’s say, per month for the increase in price. That’s $180 for 1 year and $360 for 2 years. so for the 2 years your paying $560 and for 1 year your paying $380.
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I didn’t even include the voice or the extra text messages plan that one needs to get.
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Not true. AT&T losses around 10-12 cents per year for the next 2 years which equals about $700m per year for the next 2 years. AT&T is hoping for more subscribers to sign up for the Iphone but more importantly their other products. This deal actually hurts AT&T. AT&T wants the other people who come into their stores to look at the Iphone to get their other products because they will make more money on them than on the Iphone. The more they sell the more they lose out upfront but they do have a great chance of getting many folks which overtime means more revenue, and given the lack of success on the first Iphone the trends don’t look good for Apple’s new Iphone especially against this smartphone market where Apple hasn’t fared ...
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Why would you make a deal where the more you sell, the more customers you get, the more money you lose?
Doesn't even make sense for an @ss-backwards company like at&t.
Doesn't even make sense for an @ss-backwards company like at&t.
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Your betting that a family comes in attracted by the iphone but only dad gets the iphone and mom, billy, and susan get something else. You lose money on the iphone but get money on the other three lines. The revenue from the other 3 price plans and features hopefully will be greater then the money lost selling the iphone.
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Okay, great scenario but I still don't believe they will lose the money they claim.
At a baseline they are making $40 more over 2 years on this iPhone compared to first one and they don't have to share any revenue with Apple off of the customer's plan.
So how much did they lose on the first-gen ones? Because it has to be more than 10-12 cents/share, doesn't it?
At a baseline they are making $40 more over 2 years on this iPhone compared to first one and they don't have to share any revenue with Apple off of the customer's plan.
So how much did they lose on the first-gen ones? Because it has to be more than 10-12 cents/share, doesn't it?
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also remember that 40 bucks isnt profit they have to split that with att and also market the new devices. they are also rolling out an expensive 3g service to support the product because it they don't expand their 3g it would hurt the demand. Also i haven't had a friend or coworkers whose iphone/itouch has lasted more then a couple of months (from them breaking it).
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mandman121 said:at&t has to split the $40 with themselves? That makes no sense and they are not splitting that with Apple as they are not sharing any plan revenue, just $200 upfront. They are clearing an additional $40 more on this phone then they were on the last phone. If they are losing money fine but they were losing $40 more on the first one, doesn't make sense any other way.
also remember that 40 bucks isnt profit they have to split that with att and also market the new devices.
they are also rolling out an expensive 3g service to support the product because it they don't expand their 3g it would hurt the demand.They need to do that whether or not they offer a 3g iphone so you ...
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“just $200 upfront.†No. its way more than that. It is in the $300+ range. And you can’t say just because losing $300 per phone up front is a lot of money to lose and plus who knows if the customers will stay more than the 1 year or 2 years.
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How is it more than $200 upfront? All over the web there are article/posts that say, "...AT&T will provide a $200 subsidy..." What do you expect the cost[s] to be?
Also Did you see this post by Rich?
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Also Did you see this post by Rich?
Rich Brome said:Iphone is $300 instead of $500 but data is more expensive so the extra $40 is add...
Yes.
Note that it said "device and data services", which means calculating the cost of the phone (now cheaper) plus the cost of the service (now more expensive.)
$ 500 (16 GB iPhone, original)
+ $480 ($20 x 24 months data service)
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= $980 (old total)
$ 300 (16 GB iPhone 3G)
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$1020 - $980 = $40 more expensive
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It is more than $200 that is all I will say because I have posted a lot of information and links about this.
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You keep saying that and you think if you repeat it enough it will be a fact but that's not how it works.'
I have read all the posts for this news item and I don't remember seeing evidence to that fact. Also there are article all over the web that talk about the subsidy being $200 to Apple and since there is no plan revenue sharing all Apple gets is $200/device.
I have read all the posts for this news item and I don't remember seeing evidence to that fact. Also there are article all over the web that talk about the subsidy being $200 to Apple and since there is no plan revenue sharing all Apple gets is $200/device.
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Anyway, check out the links I have provided and look at internal documents from AT&T and Apple and then figure out what they would be losing or gaining in the short term. That’s all I will say about this matter as I have already mentioned a lot about it plus taken articles and statements from documents as well as from AT&T’s statement themselves.
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the problem with these post forums is everyone just likes to argue and try to prove they are smarter than the person who posted before them. I'm pretty sure NO ONE on these forums works for any part of AT&T or Apple that has anything to do with the revenue streams generated by ANY device. EVERY phone company loses money on EVERY phone sold, thats just the way the business has been driven by customers. They want free/inexpensive phones and are willing to sign two year contracts to get them. Apple isn't doing anything different than Nokia, Samsung, Blackberry, LG, etc, etc, etc...
The point still remains that AT&T has the iPhone because Verizon wouldn't play nice and their fall back data network is "slit your wrist" slow (1XRTT)I'm sure when...
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The point still remains that AT&T has the iPhone because Verizon wouldn't play nice and their fall back data network is "slit your wrist" slow (1XRTT)I'm sure when...
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Sure, I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it. Though I'm still pretty confident I'm right on the money. I would say the majority of the people on these posts are retail reps for a provider or a customer service rep of sorts.
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I could be working for corporate for any of these companies and/or have ties to the entire industry of what we are talking about. Again, saying information like never or all the time or those words should not be said because there would always be an exception.
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ok i was wrong on the first part. secondly people are naturally stupid and have short attention spans. Doesn't everyone know about ipods but yet we see billboards and commercials everywhere. As far as 3g how many angry customers will demand the faster service in their area. The 3g is the new big selling point (and the only real reason to buy the new iphone) and if you can't use the reason you purchased it then whats the point. as for the people that broke their iphone almost none of them repurchased another instead opting to go try out the new flavor of the month usually on another carrier.
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Totally fair, 3g is more important for the iphone although I still think it is important to at&t overall. But it also seems the $30 unlimited data plan includes no text message so at&t will likely make an additional $120 over the 2 year contract [$5/month * 24 months].
As for people who broke their iPhones and don't fix them, it's a win-win for both Apple and at&t. They still are on the hook for the rest of their contract or a $175 ETF and Apple made the money on the device.
As for people who broke their iPhones and don't fix them, it's a win-win for both Apple and at&t. They still are on the hook for the rest of their contract or a $175 ETF and Apple made the money on the device.
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I do not think the previous generation of the Iphone was subsidized like this, and no it does not because they are paying an upfront cost instead of the revenue sharing that they had earlier which Apple takes a cut from the service revenue per month.
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The previous iPhone was not subsidized to the consumer but AT&T was paying Apple $200/device activated plus part of the service revenue. Or that's what I remember reading.
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I do not remember if “AT&T was paying Apple $200/device†is correct or not but “plus part of the service revenue†is correct.
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Think about it. They are already going to lose $600-700m+ per year for the next few years and that account a few million phones. Therefore, they lose money per phone I think it is in the dollar amount of $200-300 per phone. Of course they have increased the data usage price points by another $10-30 per month so that should make up the difference but AT&T loses that money upfront while who knows if people in droves, millions, will get this device. It obviously did not do that well, its younger brother/sister, so who knows how it will do now.
AT&T did this deal, even though it is a bad one, to secure and to scare off other competitors to try to do the same thing or perhaps differentiate them from the pack. Will they succeed? Who knows but ...
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AT&T did this deal, even though it is a bad one, to secure and to scare off other competitors to try to do the same thing or perhaps differentiate them from the pack. Will they succeed? Who knows but ...
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You're correct, also it was stupid of ATT for entering into a revenue sharing deal with apple of all companies. Maybe that is why other carriers turned apple down. Iphone sells only look good for apple.
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Case in point. Att is riping off anyone. Yes the first iphone was beyond stupid and apple was the one ripping everyone off, but this new iphone is in fact a batter deal. And VZW was offered the iphone but they didn't want it to apple mega gay rules they wanted in place. AT&T was the only carrier that took on the phone. And by all means...show me a phone that can out do the iphone. Don't say nokia 95 cause i have seen it and i love that phone but it doesn't have visual voice mail or full web.
Any phone???? NO
Any phone???? NO
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