Apple iPhone Gets Full Microsoft Exchange Support

Do you own an iPhone?

txguy07 said:
Do you own an iPhone?

Nope. Relevance?

Note that it says "in response to." Pretty obvious hint.

well Mr. iphone owner, I'm glad that you got a device with is truly a simple device that does simple programs. i do agree that most window devices do indeed crash and most don't really load up websites fully. thats because they still run on a program thats about 3 years old. unlike the iphone that runs on a brand new program. the phone was make for people that need a simple phone that does nothing but glitter in the sky. it was overpriced and trust me, it will be here but it wont be the top phone for long. touch technology is old technology, its like television. HD isn't the next step for viewing. its just old technology that has a new coat of paint on it. i hope people stop falling for stupid flashy lights, bells and whistles and start real...
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The iPhone is an awesome phone. Like it or not, the presentation of the device is great and now with these apps forget about it! The whole Microsoft Exchange service with Push Email/Calendar is enough to get excited about. Companies at first might not want to switch their BB for an iPhone, but just give it some time and you'll see this phone being the only competition for BB. Every single company will develop some app that every other PDA device has, so it's only a matter of time. Don't hate. Just accept it for what it is.

I have to agree with PhoneMan3. I am a WM user and have the Tilt. But now that iphone has Microsoft Exchange and other apps coming, I might take a harder look at it.

It is another option. Up to now it hasn't been for me, but I didn't hate it because it wasn't for me.

I like and use many features on my Tilt, but why should I take offense when someone shows me their iPhone and says it is the best phone ever?

I like to have choices and iPhone is just that.

TRADER PIG

I don't hate the iPhone, I hate the fanboi attitudes of the Apple Faithful (tm) who denigrate every other option available.

The iPhone is a great phone for some people. But it's not great for everyone because it's missing some key features and technology. It's probably the best mid-level phone on the market. But it's not cutting edge and it's pretty weak from a busniess point of view.

But just try telling that to the fanboi faithful.

Just because you have this awesome "I can emulate Java" phone doesn't mean people laughing at you are Apple Fanbois.

So far you've produced no argument that it's missing key features or technology, just a bunch of obscure crap nobody gives a crap about- like making a phone call and listening to mp3's at the same time.

You've produced no argument that the iPhone is anything other than an overhyped mid-range device with one admittedly superb feature.

3G radios are not obscure. They're what let you make a call and use the internet at the same time. Yeah, yeah... WiFi. Whatever, if you're within range of WiFi you're probably also sitting at your computer.

Exchange support (which Apple is finally adding) is not obscure.

Java support is not obscure, it's a world-wide standard.

Just because you're iPhone doesn't have some feature doesn't make make that feature obscure. It just makes your iPhone gimped.

I'm within a WiFi range more often than I'm in a 3G Range, but regardless, my iPhone loads sites faster than most 3G phones over EDGE, and it's probably faster than your phone as well. Phonescoop's own review verifies this.

3G Would be better in theory, but it'd come at a tremendous expense to battery life. If I've already got the fastest web browser, why should I care?

Java is on its way out. Get the memo. It's a vastly inferior programming environment to what Apple has laid out for the iPhone. (Regardless, SUN has announced plans to bring the Java environment to the iPhone, I bet zero iPhone users care.)

And what Java Applications do you run? Tetris? Oh boy, it sure stinks nobody will bring an iPhone native version of Tetris using...
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I work with 2 people who have iPhones, and they load far slower than my phone does using 3G. If you're loading faster than someone with a 3G connection, it's because you're using WiFi. EDGE cannot compete with a 3G network. Hell, EDGE can't even compete with 1xRTT. My 3G connection is competitive with WiFi on the iPhone, though they do load marginally faster that way. Then again, all I have to do is turn on my WiFi connection and we're back to the same speed. I just don't bother turning it on because unlike an iPhone, I don't need it.

And your comment about battery life is funny considering that you already said you only get 8 hours. Yeah, I suppose if your results were that pathetic you probably wouldn't want a 3G radio.

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1)8 hours is the rated talk time- no Sprint phone gets that rated talk time. Use it as a reference.

2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=9HPZ2YwgDK4 . iPhone on EDGE vs. Treo on 3G. I've owned an HTC Mogul and I know it's not as fast as the iPhone on WiFi, but this is my proof.

3) Device independency is a MYTH of J2ME. J2ME is NOT 100% device independent. That's why you see device-specific J2ME applications, especially games. Only few exceptions exist (Opera Mini, which the iPhone doesn't need.)

Again, you're either wrong, or you're a liar.

1.) You didn't say you were talking about the rated talk time, you said you got 8 hours of battery life. 8 hours of battery life would suck, now wouldn't it?

1.a.) Um... yeah, there you go with Sprint again. Yeah, I know Sprint sucks. What's your point? Do you even have one?

2.) ROFL. You're using a Treo on Sprint as your comparison point?

2.a.) The Mogul uses Sprint, and Sprint sucks. You're making assumptions again and you're wrong about them.

3.) J2ME is device independent if you code correctly. Most game-related changes needed to support specific handsets aren't caused by J2ME, they're related to specific hardware issues and/or screen resolution differences.

Keep trying, even a monkey will get it right eventually if...
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1) I was referring to talk time, which is how phones are rated. I can go a few days without recharging my iPhone under "regular use" but that doesn't tell you much, because for some people "regular use" could translate to "hardly any."

2) Sprint is merely an example of a 3G network provider. Their 3G Speeds are technically no different than Verizon's, and on-par with AT&T's in real-world performance. A Mogul using Verizon wouldn't do any better.

3) Again, device-independence is mostly a myth. Even though some will run, the experience is highly inconsistent in most cases (the LONE exception is Opera Mini), with bitmapped images appearing too small or too large depending on screen resolution, and even then, some applications don...
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Yeah but as several people pointed out in the commets about that video, the iPhone had 5 bars while the Treo only had 2. That can affect speed dramatically.

5 bars vs 5 bars both using AT&T the iPhone can't compete with a 3G phone. Even one using IE, but Opera is better.

Java is the standard development platform for most of the world's phones. It's not perfect, but if you code correctly the only changes you'll have to make from phone to phone are hardware specific problems and changes to support different screen resolutions.

Why develop for an environment that only supports 4 million phones (not all of which have even been activated according to AT&T) when there's an existing standard that supports 1 billion?

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"Look, I *want* to like the iPhone but I can't because it's been crippled by Apple out of the box. They're as bad as Verizon."

Nothing you've argued for is "crippling." Verizon deliberately blocked features to generate a profit. THAT is Crippling. Not writing a secondary development platform is just that. Don't mix up those terms.

"Yeah but as several people pointed out in the commets about that video, the iPhone had 5 bars while the Treo only had 2. That can affect speed dramatically." Fair enough, but there are other videos on YouTube that show the iPhone against 3G phones on the same network (there's one with a Nokia E6x) , same result. The irony is both use Safari as their web browser, in that case.

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"Nothing you've argued for is "crippling." Verizon deliberately blocked features to generate a profit. THAT is Crippling. Not writing a secondary development platform is just that. Don't mix up those terms."

What, you don't think Apple deliberately blocked features to do the same thing? Things like not allowing the use of MP3s as ring tones so that they could come out with that idiotic iTunes "feature" where you get to pay extra to have a ring tone made?

Seriously, they had to go to extra effort to block the use of MP3s as ring tones. That's exactly the same stunt that Verizon pulls.

As far as development goes, familiarity with Mac OSX is hardly a bonus. That's what, 10% of the market these days?

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"Seriously, they had to go to extra effort to block the use of MP3s as ring tones. That's exactly the same stunt that Verizon pulls."

Apple makes you jump around a few more hoops to put custom ringtones on your iPhone, but they still allow it, and it's still easier than the bulk of phones from Sprint and Verizon. But a larger point remains of "who cares."

Apple's market share is small but relevant, and they happen to cater to some of the best independent developers in existence, and given its consumer-focused nature, is in a prime position to grab that talent (especially from developers such as Panic, OmniGroup, and Rogue Amoeba.) Do you seriously think there will be a lack of iPhone-native applications? I can't even imagine a situati...
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Who cares? Any iPhone user who has a PC at home and not a Mac, that's who cares.

Apple doesn't have better developers. Their top independent developers are no better than the top developers on other platforms. What Apple is lacking is the vast army of mediocre developers who "support" other platforms because the other platforms are bigger and more successful. That's a subtle but important distinction. Apple's advantage is not that it will have better applications, but that there will be less chaff to sort through in order to get to the good stuff.

I suspect that Apple will end up with a typically Apple slate of applications. You'll be able to do all of the normal Apple stuff just fine, but you won't be able to do anything ...
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Given what you have written above, you are not too familiar with the Mac world. But I can tell you now that no revolutionary application has ever been written for j2me.

Maybe not, but Java apps have made more money. And that's the point of business, is it not?

I remain convinced that Apple could have made a lot more money if they hadn't gimped the iPhone out of the box. It would have opened the phone up to a vastly wider audience.

I'd send you a picture mail of my awesome phone using 3 different browsers while simultaneously making a phone call and listening to my MP3s on the bus, but your iPhone can't receive it.

Oh that's right, your iPhone can't do that on the road either because EDGE doesn't allow a voice and data connection at the same time.

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because that totally makes sense.

Maybe if you expanded your mind passed two inches you would understand that he meant, you can recieve calls while listening to mp3's

but
1) that's not what he said
2) the iPhone can recieve calls while listening to mp3's

You're either wrong, or you're a liar

Yeah, I listen to music all the time, what's your point? Do you even have one?

Whenever I call my girlfriend I listen to mp3's at the same time, just like you. I wish I could listen to music while talking to people more often.

Yeah, and I can use any old MP3 as a ring tone, too!

Can you?

Wow yes, totally, and it makes me look classy, too!

Liar. The iPhone cannot use *any* MP3 as a ring tone.

http://lifehacker.com/software/how-to/create-custom- ... »

You're either wrong, or you are a liar.

It's sad how you have to force your iPhone to do things. Why can't it just be natural?

Coming from the owner of a crappy HTC that requires hours of hackery just to accomplish the basic functions the iPhone does? Things like oh... desktop grade web browsing? (Which it can't do regardless.) It's sad how you bash good phones because you lost all that money on your "PDA" phone. HTC = heavy taiwanese crap.

Interesting, I hadn't seen that before, probably because it's Mac only. Too bad it costs $80 too, but at least the tool is out there.

Unlike you, I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong.

So I stand corrected, apparently you *can* use any MP3 as a ringtone as long as you've converted it using GarageBand.

All Macs have Garageband. It's $80.00 only if you want to upgrade to a new version, which is a moot point for any Mac sold within the past year.

Ah, so I have to buy a new computer if I want my iPhone to be able to use my MP3s as ring tones.

Brilliant! 😉

when your car runs out of gas do you buy a new car?

The point being that not all iPhone owners are Mac owners. Apparently the non-Mac owners are screwed when it comes to using MP3s as ring tones, right?

And I guess you missed the sarcasm before... the iPhone can use any MP3 as a ring tone as long as you convert it using GarageBand first. If it has to be converted, it's not *any* MP3 now is it?

Roadkill said:
I'd send you a picture mail of my awesome phone using 3 different browsers while simultaneously making a phone call and listening to my MP3s on the bus, but your iPhone can't receive it.

Oh that's right, your iPhone can't do that on the road either because EDGE doesn't allow a voice and data connection at the same time.

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Overcompensating.

bluecoyote said:
As an iPhone owner, I am envious of your terrific web browser, Internet Explorer Mobile, and your ability to almost load most web pages, your ability to almost make phone calls, and your almost usable music player.

It all comes down to one thing AND one thing ONLY, and that's "what one sees as a 'benefit to them".

😛 I'm glad you chose the 6th "deadly sin" (Envy 😲 ) instead of the 1st (Lust 🤤 ).

What constitutes a PDA phone? A PDA should have a calendar that synchronizes, task list, notepad. I suppose a PDA phone should be able to tie it in with the contacts list, email client, and web browser. Maybe that's why the iPhone is being mentioned.

Does this mean that you are infact calling the iPhone a PDA phone?

Duhhhhh

Thank you PIG, you just made my point, and made your friend, who I replied to 1st, look like an idiot. In no way can an iPhone compete as a PDA phone, or even be seen as one. The only thing I see is a nice looking paperweight.

I guess all that inbreeding ruined your vision, huh?

Mine is prefectly fine, but yours seem not to be blind but ignorant to reality

Go play with your Virgin Mobile OYSTR. You should be lucky I even dignify your ignorance with a reply.

LOL, why don't you just go play with your wanna be PDA phone, and keep pretending that one day it's going to grow up to be a useful phone.

I will, and it'll out-PDA any POS you can ever afford :-D

It's your choice to stupidly pay any amount of money for a phone that doesnt do very much, and is pretty much just a nice looking iPod. My Tilt can outperform that crap any day, and still have alot more to do in it. At least I have choices and variety while you have nothing. Great purchase by the way, oh yeah, and as I stated previously, the iPhone is just a wanna be PDA phone for dummies, and is just made to look nice, and not to be taken seriously, or as a contender to the real PDA phones.

You're just pissy because HTC released a half baked product. Where are those video drivers? OH right, not there. You have a lot of choices- you can choose to run your crappy OS on all sorts of second rate hardware. But hey, at least you get to enjoy that crappy video support and feeble web browser on that awesome 240 x 320 pixel display, haha.

I envy your plastic silver brick.

Once again you prove that you have no point.

You're still trying to turn this into "my phone is better than your phone" instead of understanding that your phone is missing features that could have made it much better.

Some of us don't care what phone you use and aren't interested in whether or not your dad can beat up someone else's dad.

Some of us just want the best product possible, and are tired of getting handed gimped products by all of the manufacturers. Apple included.

The iPhone is polarizing because it *could* have been pretty close to the ultimate phone, but for some reason Apple chose to deliberately gimp it. There are people out here who *want* to love the iPhone but can't because of that.

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you are sooo stupid, think about it name 1 feature the iphone has that the LG shine doesnt have... besides the touch screen!!!

i hope you hurt yourself thinking baout this answer

visual voicemail.

... and no smart phone offers that either 😛 so poop on you... so your telling me that the itouch is supposed to be compared to a palm pilot... right?