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nextel18

Sep 17, 2007, 6:02 AM
I mentioned this in the Suncom forum so might as well put it in this one also. Just wanted to note that T-mobile USA is purchasing this company for the amount I mentioned. $1.6B for outstanding shares and $.8B of debt. To a total of $2.4B. There will be synergies of $1b so that will basically mean that the purchase was $1.4B. moreover, the purchase allows for more capacity onto its network by up to 20 million customers. makes each subscriber that Sun has, which is 1.1 million, on the $1.4B net purchase price, for $1,272 per subscriber, which is cheap. Without the synergies in place it would cost $2,181 per subscriber, which is also a pretty cheap valuation.

(I said Synergies again. 🤣 )
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mingkee

Sep 17, 2007, 6:45 AM
who knows the customer base of Suncom?
I heard it's around 1 million
then it'll be 30 million by the end of the year
a little milestone
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nextel18

Sep 17, 2007, 7:19 AM
I actually said it in the post. “makes each subscriber that Sun has, which is 1.1 million,” t-mobile USA has currently 26.877 million customers, which would give them after the pending transaction passes the hurdles, of 27.977 million. If they report 3rd quarter and fourth quarters like they did in 06 of 802k and 900k respectively at the end of 2007 they will have 29.67 million customers. so almost there. That is of course if they get the same numbers as they did in 06 for the latter half of this year. Obviously any further increases in their reports, over the numbers in 2006, would mean that they would be more than 30 million.
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wombough

Sep 17, 2007, 8:20 AM
I know allot of people in NC that will go with tmob. Quite a few were asking when when when its been over umm 10 years now. So they will see allot of people going with them in those two states!
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nextel18

Sep 17, 2007, 8:26 AM
Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how many people you know will switch to t-mobile, because they don’t look at a few people. They look at economic trends. The fact that they waited this long to buy them is beyond me. I would have purchased Suncom, a long time ago even well before the Cingular/ATT merger.

If you look at Suncom’s operations you can see that they don’t even gain many subscribers in those areas.
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wombough

Sep 17, 2007, 9:36 AM
no they don't' they suck as a company. They have billing issues galore and no one like them!
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nextel18

Sep 17, 2007, 10:36 AM
I know. That is a huge issue, especially since T-mobile and DT is the total opposite.
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wombough

Sep 17, 2007, 10:40 AM
right there was really only 2 choices in SC and NC up until 1 year ago. Sprint and att. Suncom sucked and verizon and tmobile were not there! Now with verizon and tombile it will be interesting!
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nextel18

Sep 17, 2007, 11:04 AM
well if Sprint, AT&T and Verizon are horrible in that area, but more importantly Suncom can’t even do well in their own market, what will be a chance that T-mobile will be successful? quite slim.
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beeferjay

Sep 17, 2007, 12:09 PM
I work for one of the big 4, but i am a loyal T-mo customer since 2003. Its is good to see them branching out into these states. Lord knows people down there are tired of ATT's tryanny and Sprint's attitude. Rock on
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nextel18

Sep 17, 2007, 12:16 PM
I do like the idea of expanding into newer markets but if the companies who are already there are failing them they should fail also. Suncom is a horrible company so I am not sure what they could do to improve on their operational and financial measurements. Like I told wombough T-mobile needs to do a heavy job of fixing Suncom and fixing the image in order to make it remotely successful. It’s a mixed picture to me.
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Starr06

Sep 17, 2007, 8:19 PM
"Quit hatin' " on T-Mobile nextel18. Geez!

As a PROUD T-Mobile employee of 4 Years, THIS IS A BIG WIN for us. Our award winning practices will follow suit with Suncom. We are more than eager to get things started and get the job done!
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wombough

Sep 18, 2007, 8:33 AM
the others are not failing were do you get that? Sprint is doing fine in the area and verizon is getting there. att well I don't like to talk about them!
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nextel18

Sep 18, 2007, 8:58 AM
How can I hate a company like T-mobile that has started to do very well given its lack of spectrum and network? I am very pleased with the company’s success so far and their purchase in the AWS spectrum. when people have shares in companies they can say whatever they want and obviously if I want to say my concerns I say it. I do it with Verizon and AT&T as well as with others.

How is it a big win? The big win was the AWS spectrum winnings. That is the problem with your statement; “Our award winning practices will follow suit with Suncom,” because Suncom can’t even perform on their own and shareholders, stakeholders, and bondholders have been urging the company to either go chapter 11 or fix it dramatically....
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TradeMark_310

Sep 18, 2007, 5:15 PM
It just is, OK? Why does everything need to have a reason with you? Why can't it just be what these uninformed, egotistical people on here post? Geez man, you sound like you read the paper, or at least know how to use a Google search. 🙄 Some people...

(sarcasm generously donated by the good people of the FCC, of whom I have no bad things to say)
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nextel18

Sep 18, 2007, 5:45 PM
Well, I believe that on forums like this, there should be more facts on here. I think this forum would benefit more if that is the case instead of some members bashing others and providing false information. Rich, Eric and other moderators (if there are others, I don’t remember) work very hard at making this site, maintaining it, and keeping the TOS rules so I think they deserve that members continue to keep this forum educated, factual, and civil. If not, this forum will start to lose credibility and then no one who is informative would post anymore. I get my information from many places, but sometimes I use Google if I cannot find some of the things. Majority of my information is actually from people in the industry and other document...
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AvgJoe

Sep 18, 2007, 9:58 PM
nextel18 said:
Well, I believe that on forums like this, there should be more facts on here. I think this forum would benefit more if that is the case instead of some members bashing others and providing false information. Rich, Eric and other moderators (if there are others, I don’t remember) work very hard at making this site, maintaining it, and keeping the TOS rules so I think they deserve that members continue to keep this forum educated, factual, and civil. If not, this forum will start to lose credibility and then no one who is informative would post anymore. I get my information from many places, but sometimes I use Google if I cannot find some of the things. Majority of my information is actually from people
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nextel18

Sep 19, 2007, 11:00 AM
In some ways HOFO is better than PS but I think in some other aspects PS is better than HOFO. Some of the members on HOFO actually do not know what they were talking about. I used to post on there and I started to on PS because I felt that PS’ members including moderators are better.

So I disagree somewhat.
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TradeMark_310

Sep 18, 2007, 5:10 PM
Jesus christ, have you read any of these posts in their entirety, or did you just read the first two lines of each one, then add a reply? nextel18 isn't hating on T-Mob, he is stating his opinion as to why this ISN"T such a "big win", and as a T-Mob employee for as long as you, I can't really see huge benefits to it. "Our award winning practices will follow suit with Suncom" ??? Didn't WE buy THEM, why would we follow them? Their practices haven't lead them too far up to this point. nextel18 is not questioning T-Mobs ability, but I guess you have to read a lot to figure that out, I can see how hard that is...
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muchdrama

Sep 19, 2007, 12:48 AM
Starr06 said:
"Quit hatin' " on T-Mobile nextel18. Geez!

As a PROUD T-Mobile employee of 4 Years, THIS IS A BIG WIN for us. Our award winning practices will follow suit with Suncom. We are more than eager to get things started and get the job done!


Hey! A little positive thought!

About time.
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wombough

Sep 18, 2007, 8:31 AM
sprint is not horrible in that area and most have them.
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nextel18

Sep 18, 2007, 8:35 AM
Oh ok. I didn’t read your post properly. My apologizes.
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wombough

Sep 18, 2007, 8:59 AM
no prob
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maverick218

Sep 18, 2007, 4:45 PM
It will be interesting to see just how many people do switch and if they do, how happy they will be with the limited coverage that Suncom (now t-mob) has in the Carolinas- at&t's footprint is about twice as big.
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AvgJoe

Sep 18, 2007, 9:56 PM
I have ATT here becasue I came here with Cingular. But EVERYONE I know here uses Suncom.

All you can eat anytime for $59 NO junk fees. Just $59 out the door. Easy. ATT and Suncom have equal coverage here as far as I can see and those I spoke with. I think T Mobile will do well. I have already spoke to some Suncom friends on month to month who are renewing for two years before they lose that opportunity.
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maverick218

Sep 19, 2007, 9:37 AM
If you look on the suncom website under coverage and look at the regional area, what you see is Suncom's coverage in dark blue and AT&T's overlaid in light blue.
Sumcom relies heavily on AT&T for coverage outside of the cities and interstates/major highways. If the home on home roaming agreement goes away with the t-mo buy out, they will have to build a lot of towers to catch up.
T-mo seems to be a good company, but just as with suncom the potential coverage issues could be hard to get around at first.
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AvgJoe

Sep 19, 2007, 10:24 AM
I think they know what they are doing. No sense in pizzing of your bread and butter customer at the get go.
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nextel18

Sep 19, 2007, 10:53 AM
Yes, Suncom relies on many companies including T-mobile as well as AT&T.

“but just as with suncom the potential coverage issues could be hard to get around at first.”

I agree 100%.
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nextel18

Sep 19, 2007, 10:57 AM
I think many people will because T-mobile can offer those Suncom customers cheaper rate plans. Suncom customers pay higher ARPU than both T-mobile and AT&T. problem is, Suncom’s CPGA is quite high while T-mobile’s is low so it allows T-mobile to be more flexible with their offerings. In addition, t-mobile will be strong because they will combine their assets in the regions where Suncom is to Suncom’s and provide some enhancements in coverage and capacity. Only problem is, additional towers and a re-brand and re-vamp of Suncom need to happen in order for T-mobile to make them successful. Otherwise, it will continue to fail.
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muchdrama

Sep 19, 2007, 12:41 AM
nextel18 said:
Just wanted to note that T-mobile USA is purchasing this company for the amount I mentioned.
(I said Synergies again. 🤣 )


If you tooted your own horn any louder, we'd be deaf.
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