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If verizon doesn't want to play by the FCCs Rules...

staiano

Sep 13, 2007, 9:26 PM
..then don't bid on the spectrum. Nothing about verizon or the rules of this auction in any way require verizon to get involved. It's not like they are auctioning off 1900 spectrum.

Yes 700 get better penetration but verizon is doing just fine signal-wise without it. Work on not crippling every device on your network.

Verizon is worried about Google or Apple getting spectrum, as they should be. To sue the fcc shows their scared.
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nextel18

Sep 13, 2007, 9:57 PM
Verizon has been known to cry foul if it is not going their way. It isn’t new for them.

They do have a reason to challenge it and that is where Google and other companies can go against them to prove their case. We shall see what happens. Well every company could increase the penetration and spectrum is key for growth even if they don’t use it right away. 700 MHz does have its advantages but does have its disadvantages. Verizon should just go after 800 MHz and 1.9 GHz not 700 MHz. remember Verizon led the charge against Nextel and the Consensus Plan and the 1.9 GHz spectrum there.

I agree with your crippling point. In addition, they have data capping issues.
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gluconate

Sep 14, 2007, 10:02 AM
Get a new tag line please. I am sick of reading the same old line about data capping rates. If that is the only thing that you can complain about Verizon I would say that is the least of your worries.

The whole reason there is a fight is because if everyone is using the spectrum at one time then it doesn't matter if you have a 3G phone or not because the traffic on the network will make it go slower, just like on your landline space. Right after work my home modem is slower than if I sign on at 1AM, that is just part of life. Verizon is fighting this because they want their CUSTOMERS to have a great experience and be able to use BROADBAND speeds on the network.

One more thing....There are problems with ATT and Sprextel and even Tmo...
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nextel18

Sep 14, 2007, 11:28 AM
There are bigger issues with Verizon then just on the data capping. I mention that earlier. Verizon Wireless does not care about data. It is that simple. Their landline, FIOS, does. They have barely enough spectrum to have EV-DO roaming as well as to maintain voice capacity and their 1x data. All they care is about Postpaid.

If you actually looked at my posits, you can see that I bash every single company out there.
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MntnMan71

Sep 15, 2007, 12:28 PM
What's are posits ?
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staiano

Sep 14, 2007, 12:53 PM
My issues with verizon is very simple, they [in my definition] cripple their phones. I want to be able to transfer files via bluetooth. Images, ringtones, contacts, whatever.
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MntnMan71

Sep 15, 2007, 12:35 PM
staiano said:
My issues with verizon is very simple, they [in my definition] cripple their phones.

As far as "crippling" devices, LOL!!!!!!
The company doesn't "cripple" their devices as much as the consumers do!!!!!

For example: "I bought the BlackBerry 8830 just because I'm a trend WHORE and I don't want data access on it because I'm a CHEAP poser that wants to play pretend!"
It doesn't matter that RIM, the manufacturer, REQUIRES that the Crackberry have always on access pushing crack mail to the consumer. Verizon requires the unlimited data plan because Verizon DOESN'T want you having a $50000 bill for having a device that is always on.
Or how about the people that REQUEST that their phones ...
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phaythe

Sep 15, 2007, 2:49 PM
That's not a Verizon issue, that's a DRM issue. Piracy is against the law. If Bluetooth allowed these transfers, piracy would be as rampant on the cell phone as it is on regular computers and movie videos.


By your logic you need to go lock your computer down so it can only run Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office and Microsoft Internet Explorer MPAA Edition. Then you won't be able to run P2P software or any other software possibly used for piracy. Bye bye e-mail, bye bye open web access, bye bye ability to -use- your computer for useful tasks. That solves the problem, after all... That's sarcasm for those that didn't catch it. Try replacing "Microsoft XYZ" with "Incumbent Telecom XYZ."

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TradeMark_310

Sep 15, 2007, 6:14 PM
Wha?" Why would you care about trend whores if the phone sells? Customers "cripple" the phones? From what I hear, VZW won't even sell a BB without the data, which in CA is illegal (so maybe the don't do it).
And since when is piracy by way of Bluetooth the carriers problem if they don't supply the content? Besides, bought ringtones are locked from BT on any phone from any carrier. And VZW doesn't want you to have high bills? So why do they have the highest rates?
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staiano

Sep 16, 2007, 9:24 PM
I don't even know where to begin responding to what you said...you don't even sound like a shill for verizon. You sound as if you just woke up and have little clue on how things work.

In what world is transferring photos I took on my cell phone to my computer something that is bad? How is it that I cannot take a song I already own and use it on my cellphone? This has nothing to do with DRM, verizon chooses not to let you transfer songs to your cell phone. They can choose to NOT remove the OBEX [OBject EXchange] bluetooth profile from their phones like the manufacturers included but they want you to buy everything through their online system. That's a great business model to make money but very sh*tty towards consumers.

Verizon doe...
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algorithmplus

Sep 15, 2007, 10:36 AM
gluconate said:
One more thing....There are problems with ATT and Sprextel and even Tmobile but why is that only VZW is targeted?


Verizon is the one being targeted because they're suing the federal government to make sure that airwaves are not open. Verizon, with its deep pockets, wants to buy spectrum and monopolize it, even if they don't need to use it.
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staiano

Sep 16, 2007, 9:25 PM
Very well said algorithmplus!
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muchdrama

Sep 14, 2007, 6:12 PM
nextel18 said:
In addition, they have data capping issues.


Really? Data capping?

And HOW many times are you going to keep repeating this?
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Celling_it

Sep 15, 2007, 6:49 AM
While I do beleive that Nextel18 has a good knowlege base to draw from, he is obvioulsy turning blind eye to the the technical reason for the data cap. If he honestly thoguht about it he would not have an issue with the data cap. Also 5 GB is a huge amount and it is almost impossible to use that much in a month without streaming audio or video or hosting. I have not used 5 GB on my aircard in the last 6 months combined and my wife and i are constantly on it. It is the only internet access we use.
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nextel18

Sep 15, 2007, 8:52 AM
I am not turning any blind eye on the situation. I know exactly why companies can and cannot deploy certain products and services and why they cap roaming MOUs and data caps. I actually have came pretty close to 5gig a few times and if I would have done so, using the Verizon data cards (which obviously I don’t have it), they would have thought I was doing illegal work when in fact I tend to my business and personal affairs. If you are paying the monthly, I don’t think any of the companies should have as many restrictions and blatant messages like Verizon have. Maybe you can’t go to the 5gig per month but I know plenty who do. The fact that they advertise unlimited is false especially if they have that 5gig per month cap. Of co...
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MntnMan71

Sep 15, 2007, 12:27 PM
1st of all, Every company cries foul when there is a perception that smeone is stepping on their toes/turf/whatever. Sprextel sued smaller companies when they were trying to buy them out and the "partners" weren't cooperating with them.. Just as an example. Or look at NTP, Broadcom... and that's just recent news in the Communications industry alone.... LOL ...

Every carrier has capping issues for data, read the fine print. It's because carriers don't want people running servers off wireless networks. It would slow the networks down severely. Besides that's what landlines are for, oh wait. That would be EXPENSIVE so cheap freaks don't like that idea.
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nextel18

Sep 15, 2007, 12:51 PM
Many companies scream foul of course, but I am saying that it seems like Verizon does a little bit more than others especially if it doesn’t go their way. A big situation, other than this with Verizon, has to deal with they tried to stop Nextel from getting their 1.9 GHz with the Consensus plan. I wasn’t talking about any other company besides for Verizon. I actually don’t really blame them but enough is enough sometimes especially since they won’t help the situation.

Every carrier has capping uses, but Verizon is the only company that I know especially from glimpsing at Cingular and Sprint’s restrictions, that actually provide a usage cap in numbers and gigs. (5Gigs to be exact.)

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staiano

Sep 16, 2007, 9:28 PM
I understand what you said on data capping but them you cannpt list a plan as unlimited and in fine print say *unlimited data until you go over 5Gb.

Verizon or any other company should be allowed to set limits as long as they don't list it as an unlimited plan. Not that verizon may be the only carrier to do this...
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MntnMan71

Sep 15, 2007, 12:20 PM
🤣 🤣 🤣

Verizon's not scared.... The cell business is already very competitve.

As far as "crippling" devices, LOL!!!!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
The company doesn't "cripple" their devices as much as the consumers do!!!!!

For example: "I bought the BlackBerry 8830 just because I'm a trend WHORE and I don't want data access on it because I'm a CHEAP poser that wants to play pretend!"
It doesn't matter that RIM, the manufacturer, REQUIRES that the Crackberry have always on access pushing crack mail to the consumer. Verizon requires the unlimited data plan because Verizon DOESN'T want you having a $50000 bill for having a device that is always on.
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h_aguilar84

Sep 17, 2007, 10:54 AM
MntnMan71 said:
It doesn't matter that RIM, the manufacturer, REQUIRES that the Crackberry have always on access pushing crack mail to the consumer. .


I never heard of that at all. If this were the case, RIM wouldn't allow providers to sell Blackberries AT ALL without a data plan. T-Mobile allows you to buy a Blackberry without the data plan so there you have it...
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