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Useless stock...

bones boy

Jun 22, 2007, 1:47 PM
...has done nothing in the past 8-9 years, since the last split. I'd dump it too.
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SpectreBlofeld

Jun 22, 2007, 3:14 PM
Dividends, dude. There are ways to make money from stock other than selling it. VZW is a very profitable company.
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rmtp22

Jun 22, 2007, 4:30 PM
VZW is a very profitable company.

??Where did you get your info??
It is very hard to be profitable in the wireless industry. All of the companies spend money faster than it comes in. That's why they are billions of dollars in debt. They only thing that would make a wireless company profitable. Would be to sell the company or stop re-investing it. Don't see that happening. The stock is more than likely pretty close to the same value as when they acquired it.
What they are good at doing, is cash flow. Good for the company, not the stock holder.
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SpectreBlofeld

Jun 22, 2007, 7:17 PM
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/49789.html »


From the article:

American carriers, in particular, are in excellent financial shape, with margins jumping seven percentage points at Verizon Wireless and 15 points at T-Mobile.

"Verizon Wireless continues to stand out in the U.S. market," David Kerr, vice president, global wireless practice at Strategy Analytics, told the E-Commerce Times.


Customer Acquisition Costs
Verizon's customers "do not generate spectacular ARPUs (average revenues per user) among the tier one carriers, but Verizon spends the least on acquiring and serving these customers by far," said Kerr, adding that in spite of that, "its market-leading average monthly EBITDA margins topped the US$23 mark for the fir...
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 11:23 AM
Great links! I have never seen those sites before. However, It still does not sub-do the fact that they are in debt. All wireless carriers are in debt. The closes one to being even was Alltel 2.5 Billion in debt. But that too has changed. They sold for $27 billion. Making almost $25b.
Again the only way for a wireless company to make profit is to sell. They have to spend to keep up with the market. It is way to competitive for them to not.
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 12:41 PM
The news article was also written 4/10/06. And not only that is was about Q4 in 2005. So I question it. That was before all of the 3G spending. ?????? 😲
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SpectreBlofeld

Jun 22, 2007, 7:20 PM
Here's another good article on the subject:

http://wireless.seekingalpha.com/article/20463 »
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 12:52 PM
Just read that article too. Hmm......Did you? Because at the end of it, it talks about VZW debt! Not to mention that is written last year too. SB, Thanks for backing up all my post!
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SteveHRocks

Jun 23, 2007, 3:37 AM
rmtp22 said:
VZW is a very profitable company.

??Where did you get your info??
It is very hard to be profitable in the wireless industry. All of the companies spend money faster than it comes in. That's why they are billions of dollars in debt. They only thing that would make a wireless company profitable. Would be to sell the company or stop re-investing it. Don't see that happening. The stock is more than likely pretty close to the same value as when they acquired it.
What they are good at doing, is cash flow. Good for the company, not the stock holder.


Billions in debt?? What planet are you from?
Wireless companies make millions in profit each year.

Try checking your facts before making yours...
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 11:02 AM
I look like an a@@?

After reading your post you make mine look even better. 2003 it was at $10? and now it is at $30? Over four and a half years it has only gone up $20? What is profitable about that? All! And I said all wireless companies spend more money than they make. And all are Billions in debt. All but Alltel who just sold themselves and made $25 Billion. Their stock jump $10 over night. YES I said even your beloved VZW is in debt! But again they are really good about cash flow. VZ has about 60million customers. I don't know their Pri Arpu., But let's say it is $50. Do the math. That is $350,000,000 income a month. And their stock only jumped $20 in over four years? Would you like to try again?
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elgee02

Jun 23, 2007, 12:52 PM
Their stock tripled in 4 years? WOW that's awesome, a lot of stocks out there would LOVE to triple their price in 4 years. VZW is doing pretty awesome!
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 1:03 PM
Lots of stocks would love to triple in 4yrs. But with $350,000,000(not actual), coming in every month. Don't you think if they were being managed effectively. It should be a hell of a lot higher than $30 per stock. I am really glad you are not my manager or accountant.
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elgee02

Jun 23, 2007, 1:09 PM
No... going from $10 to $30 in 4 years is damn good... it's not mind blowing but tripling your stock price in 4 years in solid. VZW is managed VERY effectively and has solid quarter after quarter performance... I can tell by your expectation that large cash flow must = stock performance means you really aren't too savvy on the stock market 🤣
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 1:37 PM
I don't do any stock trading. Just my own businesses. So yes, the bottom line is very important to me. In fact that is all that matters. The fact that they are billions in debt, to me is a big deal. Now, if you can successfully trade stocks and make money on stocks from companies that are in that much debt. Then I take back what I said and would love to have you as my accountant.
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 2:38 PM
I need help. I have a lack of stock market experience. But if a company is bringing in $350 million a month, over 4 trillion a year. And their privately traded stock is only being traded at $30 a share. That is really good. Right? I think I might be confused. The last I look all of the other guys, not Sprint, were being traded close to $50.
I am always ready for a good lesson.
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NoanswersonlyQs

Jun 23, 2007, 5:15 PM
well privately traded stock isnt going to jump as much in price as the other guys because there is no market to create demand.. that 30 dollar price is set by VZW stock splits internally... if it were a publically traded comp you could possible see stock prices in the 60's
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turbodeuce

Jun 23, 2007, 5:17 PM
You keep making up different numbers, but you haven't mentioned operating cost. If verizon's operating at less then 4 trillion a year doesn't that make them profitable?
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 9:38 PM
Is that exactly my point! Why the hell are they still in debt at $8billion?? Are they being ran as good as they can?
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craptacularwireless

Jun 25, 2007, 1:50 PM
Don't you mean as well as they can?
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rmtp22

Jun 25, 2007, 2:28 PM
Thank You.
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vz_wireless

Jun 22, 2007, 8:45 PM
You have no idea what you are taking about. Verizon Communications stock, is not the same as Verizon Wireless stock.

Verizon Wireless is not publicly traded, however, they do give stock options to employees. In early 2003 they were valued around $10, currently valued at $30 and change.
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nyz

Jun 23, 2007, 9:00 AM
Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD), to be technically correct.

Its kind of pointless to argue the notion that VZ Wireless has been improving or increasing value, considering the fact that most of the 4 other majors also increased.

In my opionion, VZ Wireless is sooner or later catching up to itself.

Its easy to claim to be the best, when then at the time , competition was low, and considering the fact that they were the first in the area, and pretty much owned/operated all towers and landline svcs, i would say that initself was already an advantage

Theres a reason why VZ also was the culprit who invented the whole contract thing, jesus.. you even have to sig...
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 11:35 AM
That last post was intented for vz_wireless. Not nyz.
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elgee02

Jun 23, 2007, 12:50 PM
"When I had VZ wireless then, not realizing but everytime I made a change, some crazy rep would extend my contract for 3 months. Change phone, extend. Change plan, extend. Add on feature, extend.. no wonder why their churn is so damn low, they do everyhting to keep you on board"

Blatant blatant misinformation. VZW doesnt and never has extended your contract for feature changes, never. And what carrier doesn't extend your contract for upgrading your phone? Please tell me?
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 12:55 PM
VZW extends your contract if you change plans. You are incorrect, Alltel does not. But they are a much smaller carrier, and that is how they stay competitive with the big dogs.
Your right though, not the features.
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elgee02

Jun 23, 2007, 12:57 PM
I just posed a question, didn't state anything so I cannot be incorrect, but my point is made... if you think VZW is evil for changing your contract for price plan changes then you must think everyone except Alltel is too.
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 1:06 PM
Yes I do, think that it is evil of any company to extend your contract for just changing plans. It is wrong for the consumer. Unfair, is maybe more like it. What happens if your phone stops working. Your contract got extended so much, Your screwed. But I guess if that is what you think is fair. Get with it!
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elgee02

Jun 23, 2007, 1:10 PM
Sigh... dude, I don't know about the other companies but with VZW extending your contract DOES NOT extend your phone upgrade eligibility date, so in that aspect no, you are NOT screwed.
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 1:42 PM
I don't know how VZ does their upgrade process. I just know that extending my contract for reasons of a simple plan change. Is completely bogus. Maybe you like being screwed by your wireless company. Not Me.
Have you ever been with any other providers? Or is this the only one?
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craptacularwireless

Jun 25, 2007, 1:55 PM
If you're going to upgrade when you're eligible for a new phone, what difference does it make that you have to sign another contract when you change your plan? You would have had to sign on for another two years when you get a new phone. If you don't want to stay with Verizon after your contract is up, then don't change your plan. It's pretty simple.
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rmtp22

Jun 25, 2007, 2:26 PM
Where were you a few days ago? Now it all makes sense!
So let me get this right. If you decided to change your plan, a simple reduction in price, you get screwed?
Pretty soon, some organization, other than the wireless companies, are going to get involved to regulate these contracts. They will eventually have too.
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turbodeuce

Jun 23, 2007, 5:11 PM
Actually, you are incorrect. VZW's policy is if you have more then one year remaining in your conract, you can change your plan without renewing your contract. If there is less then one year remaining, you can change your plan with a one year contract from the date of the change. I think that's a pretty fair policy.
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 9:40 PM
Mind you that Alltel does not, ever, for any reason extend your contract for a simple plan change.
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elgee02

Jun 23, 2007, 10:32 PM
Good for them, let me know when their net cust. adds come close to VZW's and ATT's.
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rmtp22

Jun 25, 2007, 11:27 AM
Fair enough..... But you have to let me know when VZW stock hits $68.75 a share. Cool??
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rmtp22

Jun 23, 2007, 11:33 AM
Again? $20 increase in four and a half years? With how much coming in each month?

But I guess as long as your phone makes calls your carrier must being making money. Right?
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