...has done nothing in the past 8-9 years, since the last split. I'd dump it too.
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Dividends, dude. There are ways to make money from stock other than selling it. VZW is a very profitable company.
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VZW is a very profitable company.
??Where did you get your info??
It is very hard to be profitable in the wireless industry. All of the companies spend money faster than it comes in. That's why they are billions of dollars in debt. They only thing that would make a wireless company profitable. Would be to sell the company or stop re-investing it. Don't see that happening. The stock is more than likely pretty close to the same value as when they acquired it.
What they are good at doing, is cash flow. Good for the company, not the stock holder.
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http://www.technewsworld.com/story/49789.html »From the article:
American carriers, in particular, are in excellent financial shape, with margins jumping seven percentage points at Verizon Wireless and 15 points at T-Mobile.
"Verizon Wireless continues to stand out in the U.S. market," David Kerr, vice president, global wireless practice at Strategy Analytics, told the E-Commerce Times.
Customer Acquisition Costs
Verizon's customers "do not generate spectacular ARPUs (average revenues per user) among the tier one carriers, but Verizon spends the least on acquiring and serving these customers by far," said Kerr, adding that in spite of that, "its market-leading average monthly EBITDA margins topped the US$23 mark for the fir...
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Great links! I have never seen those sites before. However, It still does not sub-do the fact that they are in debt. All wireless carriers are in debt. The closes one to being even was Alltel 2.5 Billion in debt. But that too has changed. They sold for $27 billion. Making almost $25b.
Again the only way for a wireless company to make profit is to sell. They have to spend to keep up with the market. It is way to competitive for them to not.
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The news article was also written 4/10/06. And not only that is was about Q4 in 2005. So I question it. That was before all of the 3G spending. ?????? 😲
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Just read that article too. Hmm......Did you? Because at the end of it, it talks about VZW debt! Not to mention that is written last year too. SB, Thanks for backing up all my post!
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rmtp22 said:
VZW is a very profitable company.
??Where did you get your info??
It is very hard to be profitable in the wireless industry. All of the companies spend money faster than it comes in. That's why they are billions of dollars in debt. They only thing that would make a wireless company profitable. Would be to sell the company or stop re-investing it. Don't see that happening. The stock is more than likely pretty close to the same value as when they acquired it.
What they are good at doing, is cash flow. Good for the company, not the stock holder.
Billions in debt?? What planet are you from?
Wireless companies make millions in profit each year.
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I look like an a@@?
After reading your post you make mine look even better. 2003 it was at $10? and now it is at $30? Over four and a half years it has only gone up $20? What is profitable about that? All! And I said all wireless companies spend more money than they make. And all are Billions in debt. All but Alltel who just sold themselves and made $25 Billion. Their stock jump $10 over night. YES I said even your beloved VZW is in debt! But again they are really good about cash flow. VZ has about 60million customers. I don't know their Pri Arpu., But let's say it is $50. Do the math. That is $350,000,000 income a month. And their stock only jumped $20 in over four years? Would you like to try again?
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Their stock tripled in 4 years? WOW that's awesome, a lot of stocks out there would LOVE to triple their price in 4 years. VZW is doing pretty awesome!
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Lots of stocks would love to triple in 4yrs. But with $350,000,000(not actual), coming in every month. Don't you think if they were being managed effectively. It should be a hell of a lot higher than $30 per stock. I am really glad you are not my manager or accountant.
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No... going from $10 to $30 in 4 years is damn good... it's not mind blowing but tripling your stock price in 4 years in solid. VZW is managed VERY effectively and has solid quarter after quarter performance... I can tell by your expectation that large cash flow must = stock performance means you really aren't too savvy on the stock market 🤣
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I don't do any stock trading. Just my own businesses. So yes, the bottom line is very important to me. In fact that is all that matters. The fact that they are billions in debt, to me is a big deal. Now, if you can successfully trade stocks and make money on stocks from companies that are in that much debt. Then I take back what I said and would love to have you as my accountant.
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I need help. I have a lack of stock market experience. But if a company is bringing in $350 million a month, over 4 trillion a year. And their privately traded stock is only being traded at $30 a share. That is really good. Right? I think I might be confused. The last I look all of the other guys, not Sprint, were being traded close to $50.
I am always ready for a good lesson.
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well privately traded stock isnt going to jump as much in price as the other guys because there is no market to create demand.. that 30 dollar price is set by VZW stock splits internally... if it were a publically traded comp you could possible see stock prices in the 60's
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You keep making up different numbers, but you haven't mentioned operating cost. If verizon's operating at less then 4 trillion a year doesn't that make them profitable?
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Is that exactly my point! Why the hell are they still in debt at $8billion?? Are they being ran as good as they can?
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Don't you mean as well as they can?
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You have no idea what you are taking about. Verizon Communications stock, is not the same as Verizon Wireless stock.
Verizon Wireless is not publicly traded, however, they do give stock options to employees. In early 2003 they were valued around $10, currently valued at $30 and change.
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nyzJun 23, 2007, 9:00 AM
Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD), to be technically correct.
Its kind of pointless to argue the notion that VZ Wireless has been improving or increasing value, considering the fact that most of the 4 other majors also increased.
In my opionion, VZ Wireless is sooner or later catching up to itself.
Its easy to claim to be the best, when then at the time , competition was low, and considering the fact that they were the first in the area, and pretty much owned/operated all towers and landline svcs, i would say that initself was already an advantage
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That last post was intented for vz_wireless. Not nyz.
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"When I had VZ wireless then, not realizing but everytime I made a change, some crazy rep would extend my contract for 3 months. Change phone, extend. Change plan, extend. Add on feature, extend.. no wonder why their churn is so damn low, they do everyhting to keep you on board"
Blatant blatant misinformation. VZW doesnt and never has extended your contract for feature changes, never. And what carrier doesn't extend your contract for upgrading your phone? Please tell me?
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VZW extends your contract if you change plans. You are incorrect, Alltel does not. But they are a much smaller carrier, and that is how they stay competitive with the big dogs.
Your right though, not the features.
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I just posed a question, didn't state anything so I cannot be incorrect, but my point is made... if you think VZW is evil for changing your contract for price plan changes then you must think everyone except Alltel is too.
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Yes I do, think that it is evil of any company to extend your contract for just changing plans. It is wrong for the consumer. Unfair, is maybe more like it. What happens if your phone stops working. Your contract got extended so much, Your screwed. But I guess if that is what you think is fair. Get with it!
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Sigh... dude, I don't know about the other companies but with VZW extending your contract DOES NOT extend your phone upgrade eligibility date, so in that aspect no, you are NOT screwed.
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I don't know how VZ does their upgrade process. I just know that extending my contract for reasons of a simple plan change. Is completely bogus. Maybe you like being screwed by your wireless company. Not Me.
Have you ever been with any other providers? Or is this the only one?
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If you're going to upgrade when you're eligible for a new phone, what difference does it make that you have to sign another contract when you change your plan? You would have had to sign on for another two years when you get a new phone. If you don't want to stay with Verizon after your contract is up, then don't change your plan. It's pretty simple.
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Where were you a few days ago? Now it all makes sense!
So let me get this right. If you decided to change your plan, a simple reduction in price, you get screwed?
Pretty soon, some organization, other than the wireless companies, are going to get involved to regulate these contracts. They will eventually have too.
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Actually, you are incorrect. VZW's policy is if you have more then one year remaining in your conract, you can change your plan without renewing your contract. If there is less then one year remaining, you can change your plan with a one year contract from the date of the change. I think that's a pretty fair policy.
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Mind you that Alltel does not, ever, for any reason extend your contract for a simple plan change.
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Good for them, let me know when their net cust. adds come close to VZW's and ATT's.
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Fair enough..... But you have to let me know when VZW stock hits $68.75 a share. Cool??
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Again? $20 increase in four and a half years? With how much coming in each month?
But I guess as long as your phone makes calls your carrier must being making money. Right?
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