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WOW!!!

the_eraser

Jun 14, 2007, 6:31 PM
Nothing´s stopping the new ATT
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Jayshmay

Jun 14, 2007, 6:35 PM
Are you seeing any indications at all that they're more aggressive than Cingular???

By aggressive, I mean, the network, the services, and the handsets, will be way, way different by this time next year, and maybe even surprise us.

So,. . . do you think AT&T is more aggressive than Cingular???

Personally, I think it's way too early to tell.
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Chainblade

Jun 14, 2007, 7:54 PM
the new AT&T is run by EXACTLY the same people that Cingular was. It's just a name change. Don't confuse it with when Cingular bought AT&T Wireless and converted them to Cingular. That was another company buying another company so things changed.
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Jayshmay

Jun 14, 2007, 7:56 PM
Time will tell I guess. I'm hoping MobileTv will launch on AT&T in the 4th qtr like I read earlier this year.
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supremecellgod

Jun 14, 2007, 8:17 PM
Ha ha did everyone miss the "10 year plan"? The service will be parallel to wimax? That doesn't sound very aggressive at all
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 2:39 AM
I could've sworn I read somewheres that WiMax is capable of upwards of like 30 something mbps, and even 70 something mbps.

Though I understand Sprint will only be starting out with I think 3mbps, which to me, is exceptable, heck, a lot better than 400-700kbps what Cingular is currently offering!!!!!
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pennyless10

Jun 15, 2007, 1:30 PM
HSDPA provides improved down-link performance of up to 14.4 Mbit/s theoretically. Existing deployments and handsets provide up to 3.6 Mbit/s... including at&t

the EV-DO feature of CDMA2000 networks is significantly faster, providing access to mobile devices with air interface speeds of up to 2.4 Mbit/s with Rev. 0 and up to 3.1 Mbit/s with Rev. A. HSDPA a competing technology for W-CDMA, along with the new Qualcomm Rev A modems have the ability to maintain both circuit switched voice and packet data calls from the same radio, this functionality is not available in Qualcomm Rev. 0 chipsets.

and sprint cant do voice and data at the same time like at&t
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 2:48 PM
Well, I read a report of Verizon's Rev.A service, and I could've sworn the highest speeds were around 1.1/1.3mbps.

I'm holding off for 3 or 4 mbps.

What I don't understand, HOPEFULLY somebody can explain this to me. Cingular has an aircard called the Sierra Wireless 875, which like you said "theoretically capable of 3.6mbps". I'm not interested in this theoretical stuff. only interested in real world speeds, and average speeds and so on!

But anyway, the Sierra is capable of 3.6mbps, but yet Cingular's website ONLY advertises 400-700kbps. I'm never going to pay for that speed!!! That speed just isn't good enough!!!
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harmonic

Jun 15, 2007, 3:12 PM
All I can say is Sprint's EV-DO Rev. A flys!!! I have tried many different cards and other providers and nothing works like Sprints EV-DO Rev. A. I have spent over and hour watching shows on Joost http://www.joost.com/ with no problems what so ever, in fact I could say the responsiveness is on par with my RoadRunner, and I get downloads that are not far off either.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 3:24 PM
How much is the service monthly?
Do you know if Sprint has Rev.A in Las Vegas?
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harmonic

Jun 15, 2007, 3:46 PM
For unlimited Sprint broadband the service runs $59.99 a month. I have downloaded many Gigabytes a day with this service. Yes, there is Sprint Rev. A. in Las Vegas.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 3:49 PM
That $60/mo, that's probably WITH already existing voice service, ha? Usually that's how it works, w/o voice service it's $20 more.

Am I right?

And have you done a bandwidth test @ a website like:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Bandwidth_meter/7004-7254_7- ... »
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Yean

Jun 15, 2007, 4:02 PM
No, it's $59.99 new and existing customers.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 4:14 PM
Even without a voiceplan?
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Yean

Jun 15, 2007, 10:28 PM
All customers are able to get the data plan without a voice plan. Try getting the SERO plan if your a new customer. It is $39.99 for the data.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 11:16 PM
Wow, $40, thanks for letting me know.
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algorithmplus

Jun 17, 2007, 10:31 AM
Jayshmay said:
What I don't understand, HOPEFULLY somebody can explain this to me. Cingular has an aircard called the Sierra Wireless 875, which like you said "theoretically capable of 3.6mbps". I'm not interested in this theoretical stuff. only interested in real world speeds, and average speeds and so on!


Well, theoretically, carriers don't have "dead spots" in outdoor coverage in their deployed areas, but we all know that all carriers have dead spots.

Speed will also depend on signal. Nobody wants to advertise "great speed" when you will only get "great speed" with a strong signal when there are not a lot of users.

Cable is the same way...the more users there are in a node, the slower it will...
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Jayshmay

Jun 17, 2007, 3:33 PM
So do you know if the Sierra 875 on Cingular, what speeds it obtains in the REAL WORLD???

I refuse to pay $60/mo and ONLY get 400-700kbps for my $60!!!
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algorithmplus

Jun 17, 2007, 5:45 PM
Normally I don't use datacards because personally I find that WiFi hotspots serve me better and give me better bang for the buck.

If you know someone in your area that uses the 875 on Cingular, invite them over for a LAN party or something, and test the signal where you'd use it most. I've heard mixed reviews about data services from the carriers...that Sprint is OK, but it's coverage is VERY limited, and that Cingular's WCDMA coverage is aweseome, but again limited (EDGE has better coverage than Sprint tho), that Verizon's is "up and down" and speed degrades with user traffic.

And another thing to keep in mind: Signal strength on your cell phone isn't necessarily and indicator of signal strength of data. 3G services are a differe...
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dave73

Jun 14, 2007, 8:52 PM
Chainblade said:
the new AT&T is run by EXACTLY the same people that Cingular was. It's just a name change. Don't confuse it with when Cingular bought AT&T Wireless and converted them to Cingular. That was another company buying another company so things changed.


The only other difference now is AT&T (formerly SBC) owns 100% of the wireless carrier, and can make decisions they see fit, unlike Verizon Communications, who is still having trouble trying to get Vodafone to sell their stake in Verizon Wireless.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 2:33 AM
Ah, good point!
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algorithmplus

Jun 17, 2007, 10:34 AM
dave73 said:
The only other difference now is AT&T (formerly SBC) owns 100% of the wireless carrier, and can make decisions they see fit, unlike Verizon Communications, who is still having trouble trying to get Vodafone to sell their stake in Verizon Wireless.


And why would Vodafone want to sell their stake in a profitable carrier when that would mean if they wanted to stay in the U.S. market, they would have to start from scratch or acquire another carrier. It's almost like buying the house next door when you don't want to move...
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Bigbmc26

Jun 15, 2007, 8:13 AM
that's not true. we had a huge change in upper management when att took over. our network president stepped down the day after the merger was final. i work in network services and there have been many differences since the merger was final. so unless you know the full story, don't make assumptions.
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algorithmplus

Jun 17, 2007, 10:36 AM
If AT&T (formerly SBC) had not purchased BellSouth to gain full ownership of Cingular, does that mean that all Cingular employees would have stayed with Cingular indefinitely, and indefinitely in the positions they were in (less moving to another position for expansion...)?
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bheiman

Jun 15, 2007, 3:57 PM
I dont know, i know they are ran by the same people, but since att took over a lot of things have been changing drastically.

meh, go att
they are to expensive for me (i use cricket and am trying out sprint), but definately a great company
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walker24

Jun 15, 2007, 12:05 PM
the_eraser said:
Nothing´s stopping the new ATT


except sprint wimax!!!!

Nothing's stopping the new Sprint
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Humdizzle

Jun 15, 2007, 1:09 PM
Except industry leading churn (and not leading in the right direction).

I'm Sprint all the way, but WiMax doesn't mean anything if you don't have the customer base to use it and pay for it...
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algorithmplus

Jun 17, 2007, 10:38 AM
Humdizzle said:
Except industry leading churn (and not leading in the right direction).

I'm Sprint all the way, but WiMax doesn't mean anything if you don't have the customer base to use it and pay for it...


Or the network to actually run it.

How many people does Sprint's current WiMax coverage cover?

Until it does, it's vaporware. Not to say it's not coming, but until it does, and actual tests are performed, it's all speculation.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 2:12 PM
It doesn't even seem as though Sprint's WiMax is deployed initially in that many cities.

D.C., Baltimore, heck, where else???????

Usually when a new network is launched, somewhere's around 12-16 cities are part of the initial launch.

Like I said, as far as I know, only a few cities will have WiMax upon launch.
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supremecellgod

Jun 15, 2007, 2:23 PM
the D.C. and Baltimore area already has wimax. that is one of the markets they've been testing it. There will be about at least 10 markets on the official launch.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 2:40 PM
Cities they're testing it in really isn't something I care about, same thing with mobile payments, testing, I don't care.

I care about the real world. Where I can actually go to a local Sprint store, and buy a WiMax enabled data card for my laptop.

So whether it's WiMax, or whether it's mobile payments, or mobile tv. I only care about the real world, not testing.

Do you know if Las Vegas is going to be one of the launch cities???
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supremecellgod

Jun 15, 2007, 2:49 PM
I dont believe LV will be in the initial rollout. But I could be wrong. In my experience though, they are usually in the second phase of most launches with any service.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 2:52 PM
Well,...LV was part of the initian 16 cities of Cingular's 3G service, I think that might've been because of how international of a city this is, heck, I don't know.

But whenver the day ever gets here that REAL speeds are available wirelessly, I will most certainly snatch me up an aircard!!!

But until then, I'm staying with Cox, who overs plenty good enough speeds.

I believe Cingular ONLY offers 400-700kbps, all I have to say to that is, NO THANK YOU!!!
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supremecellgod

Jun 15, 2007, 3:00 PM
I have cox as well and it does work great. Sprints Rev A is pretty fast though and is a great solution if you need mobile data. they also have a router out that you can plug your sprint card into and broadcast a wifi network in your house or office. works well for a home or office network.
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Jayshmay

Jun 15, 2007, 3:05 PM
I could've sworn I read a review that the speeds achieved on Sprint's Rev.A is something like high 700, around 800kbps.

Do you actually have a bandwidth test yourself?

What city do you live in?

I live in Las Vegas.

And no, I don't "NEED" wireless internet, I just want it, I'm a bored security guard, who would like to bring my laptop to work! Heck yes!!!! 😁
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Mustang46L

Jun 18, 2007, 3:25 PM
I did a bandwidth test on a Rev. A aircard for a customer when I activated them last week. 1200kbps download and 850kbps upload tested via speakeasy.net/speedtest using the Washington test -- btw I am in Baltimore.
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Jayshmay

Jun 18, 2007, 4:42 PM
I'm in Las Vegas.

Am I right, all that uplink is good for is like if you've got a webcam,...right?

Those speeds are very attractive. And tempting.

Damn it!!! Too bad those speeds aren't available from Cingular, I hate procrastinators, with a passion, "Deliver the future,...or die!!!" I mean die as a business.
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Mustang46L

Jun 18, 2007, 6:07 PM
Nope, sorry. If you want those speeds you need to look into Verizon or Sprint. Yes they will run things like a webcam, though not perfectly because the service still has slow latency as compared to dsl or cable.
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