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There is just no way

katrina

Jun 4, 2007, 2:10 PM
There is no way anyone can make me believe that millions of people will pay $500 for a cell phone. Maybe a couple hundred thousand at best. And MAYBE 1 million if they are lucky...

ps
I bet Lockline wont insure them either.
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Wireless Buddy

Jun 4, 2007, 2:16 PM
Well, the 8525 is $400, but then again it does about 10 times more things as the iPhone.
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katrina

Jun 4, 2007, 2:20 PM
And have they sold over 1 million of them I wonder? Not to mention its targetted at business customers, which the iPhone isn't. Businesses will pay $500 for a phone if they need it, but consumers are far less likely to I think. I do think the iPhone will be great for driving traffic into the stores; many people will go just to see it and see how much it is. Then when the customers laughs at the price the smart reps can steer them to something more moderately priced.
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Wireless Buddy

Jun 4, 2007, 2:57 PM
I'd kinda like to play with it and see how OS X looks on a phone, but I'd never buy one.
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otsego

Jun 5, 2007, 12:58 AM
You say that now. Wait till your buddy gets one. Then come back to us.

Plus, its not JUST A PHONE. this is the way you look at it:

The best cellphone on the market-EXCLUSIVE visual voicemail anyone? $200

better than the best selling ipod (nano, which is smaller screen, no video, no coverflow, etc.) $200 (BTW, when the 6th gen ipod comes out expect to pay $300+)

2MP camera, full blown internet browser & built in wifi & A2DP bluetooth (NO LAME WAP pages here), POP-3 & IMAP 4 email with rich text and inline photos, and a killer portable photo album? SMS that tracks like a chat AND the best keyboard you can find on a phone-- a very underrated feature--it might be a tight fit, but it if you hit the wrong key, it correct...
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elmuchachos

Jun 5, 2007, 2:38 AM
edge only
minus 200

and you kinda proved other points with the nano thing....people dont buy the most expensive ipod...they buy a cheaper one which means people arent going to buy this phone because it will be too much for them
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lancekalzas

Jun 5, 2007, 4:56 AM
I heard Apple is expecting to sell 10 million. There is no way that is going to happen. It's a ridiculous target.
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colione112

Jun 5, 2007, 5:13 AM
Sure they'll sell 10 million. It's only the AT&T exclusive in the US. Rogers in Canada is getting it, and I'm sure they have deals marked all around the world with different carriers.

That's just drop in the bucket for how many they'll get worldwide.
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urnamehere

Jun 5, 2007, 9:54 AM
best cellphone from a company thats never made one before? I'll bet $200 it isn't even close (not to mention its on a weak network).

Visual voicemail...you're kidding right? you mean i can hit a play button instead of the 1 key (yipee!!) Everyone hates getting voicemail anyway

It's got a music player in it (wow, theres a first)

a 2 mp camera is nice, but for 6bills they could have upped it. oh wait, its on edge, so it'd take half an hour to upload a picture anyway

stereo bluetooth is in a lot of phones, so is full internet, so is pop3 and imap

and you've never used the keyboard, but i won't knock it as neither have i.

so its got all this stuff, but it doesn't have 3g, removable memory, or a removable battery

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Omagus

Jun 5, 2007, 12:09 PM
Actually, I can see the logic of selling it through a carrier. But if you're not subsidizing the cost, what's the point? That's the part that confuses me.
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jskrenes

Jun 5, 2007, 10:08 AM
otsego said:

The best cellphone on the market-EXCLUSIVE visual voicemail anyone? $200

Not exactly sure what "visual voicemail" is, but if there was a comparable model (iPhone or other manufacturer) without visual voicemail, and it was $200 less, I'm sure I could live without it and pocket the extra $200.

2MP camera, full blown internet browser & built in wifi & A2DP bluetooth (NO LAME WAP pages here), POP-3 & IMAP 4 email with rich text and inline photos, and a killer portable photo album? SMS that tracks like a chat AND the best keyboard you can find on a phone-- a very underrated feature--it might be a tight fit, but it if you hit the wrong key, it corrects it for you. i think that device alone is worth a
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otsego

Jun 5, 2007, 11:23 PM
just an FYI, Visual voicemail is a way to VIEW your voicemail messages in basically like email list.. says who its from and when the voicemail was left. You can choose which one you want to listen to, instead of skipping around with the keypad (and trying to remember which key is the save and which one is the delete). Cingular (ATT) developed it specifically for Apple.

My gripe with smartphones (im thinking full blown windows mobile--yuck, or symbian.. none of this crapped down Q, blackjack bs) is that they are HUGE and FUGLY. the keyboards are so lame (AND Take up HALF THE PHONE!), the media players suck(and in NO way can touch the iPhone's iPod), and NOTHING is as intuitive as the iPhone. Now granted i havent used one, but from the dem...
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Jasperblu

Jun 5, 2007, 11:13 AM
I've been a Cingular/AT&T customer for almost 8 years now, minus the 2 weeks I went to Sprint. I would TOTALLY pay $400 for a phone, if it did everything I wanted/needed it to do, and I have to say, this phone looks pretty spectacular. Much better than the N75 I just got last weekend.

Btw, there is no insurance coverage for the N75 either. Not that I'd have purchased it if there was. What a waste of money that is IMO. However, that's another story for another thread.

Mostly, I want to touch, feel, use, play w/ the iphone OS before I commit to buying it. Also want to see a few dozen reviews here on Phone Scoop b/c that will often drive which phone I consider buying.

I think this phone will do extremely well - at least in the larger...
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Jayshmay

Jun 4, 2007, 6:34 PM
With reguards to the price, have you bothered to consider what you get for the $???

an ipod, WITH a 3.5 inch display, and a video ipod!!!

a 2mp camera

a FULL operating system, and not some "mobile version" like what you get with Windows Mobile instead of the FULL version of Windows.

Apple didn't strip down they're operating system, this is the same OS you get on a desktop PC.
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dublea

Jun 6, 2007, 9:18 AM
"Apple didn't strip down they're operating system, this is the same OS you get on a desktop PC."
Is that what you really believe??? I've seen the geeks at apple even confirm that it ISN'T OS X, just a mobile java based mobile-OS that has the look and feel of OS X. Just wait till you pay that outrageous price and try to install OS X apps and it doesn’t work. You have to be kidding my to think that Apple would create a device with FULL OS X on it and not price it at over 3 grand with the size that it is.

Apple contemplated making a UNIX based OS but found that they had to either make it open-source or pay royalties to UNIX, and we all know that Apple can be a tight was about money... If you knew anything about the darwin backbone of OS...
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Jayshmay

Jun 6, 2007, 9:40 AM
Oh, well, I could've sworn I heard Steve mention full OS during his keynote presentation.

Buy you do have a good point about how much processing power would be required to power the full OS.
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jarcher2828

Jun 4, 2007, 10:00 PM
But I have had like ever kid under 19 year old in my area ask for it! They all say they are getting one...

Yeah right...

the only people that are going to buy this phone are rich kids just to show them off.

Apple could just turn ipod into a phone and charge $1000 with 2yr activation and the same people would buy it.

ps: I never would say "but like" however that seems to be the kid lingo where I work.
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filburt

Jun 4, 2007, 4:19 PM
If you are a bean counter obsessed with features and specs, iPhone isn't much to make a fuss over.

But just like the iPod, which doesn't come standard with features that most of its competitors have (e.g., FM tuner), it's about how. If you look at the ads released yesterday, it works very differently (arguably for better or worse) from just about all the phones on the market. And beauty is on the eye of beholder, but many will agree that it is one of the most beautiful phones out there (especially in person).

Again, you are not paying $499-599 strictly for features (except for missing UMTS/HSDPA, it isn't too shabby in features department), but design and software within.
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Cochalo

Jun 4, 2007, 4:20 PM
touche
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Omagus

Jun 4, 2007, 4:35 PM
Very good point. Just like Macs are more expensive than their PC/laptop counterparts but don't necessarily do anything more. But to the right clientèle, they very possibly do those things better.
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jarcher2828

Jun 4, 2007, 10:04 PM
thier clientele buy just for style...except in the rare case that a person actually believes that mac does media better. but unless i am recording music I think pc do it just as well.
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otsego

Jun 5, 2007, 1:04 AM
Id have to argue that mac DOES do media better. Im a graphic designer and I'll accept no substitues. Plus every decent major recording artist (Nine Inch Nails comes to mind) uses nothing but macs as well. rock solid OS with rock solid software developers. I expect the same thing from my iPhone.
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Omagus

Jun 5, 2007, 7:54 AM
Yeah, I have a lot of friends who do music/recording and they all prefer Macs. Plus, there's the fact that they are much less susceptible to viruses and crashing.
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jarcher2828

Jun 5, 2007, 10:35 AM
I did say that apple computers are better for recording music. No one will argue with that...

but how many people are going to do that on an iphone...

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if you do graphic design, great. but is anybody going to accually EDIT anything on the iphone... no.

everything the iphone does a treo, wm5, and blackberries do just as well or better.

At the end of the day you may drop 600 on an iphone, Its your money. However, it may take you 3 months, maybe a year to realise you spent over half a grand on a phone with an mp3 player even with a 2yr agreement.

You will be frustrated when you try to dial a number in the car and have trouble because you cant feel the buttons. when your friends Treo does everything yours iphone does and can s...
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Omagus

Jun 5, 2007, 11:11 AM
You're missing the point. We're just drawing a parallel between the Mac vs PC debate and the iPhone vs Treo/Windows/Blackberry device debate. No one is saying that people plan on using the iPhone to record music or edit graphics.

None of us really know how well the iPhone is going to do anything because none of us has actually used one. I personally have no plan whatsoever on getting it. I have an unlocked N95 that I am more than happy with. However, I can see the appeal of Apple's product and might even have considered one were it available the same way.
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phonenvy

Jun 4, 2007, 5:10 PM
Well, they are banking on college grads, upgrade renewal discounts, and summer jobs.
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gsmrulz

Jun 4, 2007, 2:46 PM
When the RAZR launched years ago it sold for $399 WITH a 2 year activation, and it captured about 6% of the phone market back then(according to motorola). Is 6% percent more than a million? i would certainly think so, even back then when there were not as many different phone models in the market place. I believe Apple Inc is predicting 3% market share for the iphone, if that becomes the case (which is hopefull thinking) it will be a lot more than a million units.
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katrina

Jun 4, 2007, 2:48 PM
I will believe it when I see it 😉
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retrolike

Jun 4, 2007, 3:12 PM
ok katrina, moron alert! Again, the razrs were actually $499 when released with cingular and we sold plenty of them. People spend anywhere from $75-$400 for an ipod now and another $100-$400 for a phone/data device. And how many what is the ipod market share for mp3 players? There are plenty of mac users alone willing to put out that money for the iphone. I think if att and apple can release this on the stated date it will be a great sell and we wont be able to keep the iphone in stock. And yes, you will believe it when you see it. Blow.
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katrina

Jun 4, 2007, 3:15 PM
🤣 🤣 🤣
You may be right, it may sell like hotcakes, but still... I will believe it when I see it.
I am not saying its impossible, just unlikely in my estimation.
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nextel18

Jun 4, 2007, 3:24 PM
Enough with the name-calling, and grow up because she did not know the economics of the iPod or the prices of the RAZR. No need for that immaturity- we have enough of those people on here.
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Omagus

Jun 4, 2007, 5:06 PM
Frankly, I don't think the iPhone will do as well as Apple is hoping. It will be successful initially just thanks to the hype machine that is Steve Jobs. But it will eventually cool down.

The two groups most likely to be interested in this (and have the requisite disposable income) are technogeeks and fashionistas. The geeks will probably be reluctant to plop down that much money for a locked phone that requires a contract. The fashion people may not care that much but I wonder how long they can live off that "cool" factor. The average person uses less than 10% of their phones's capabilities. Four or five months after the launch, how many people will regret plopping down half a grand for a touchscreen and a new way to check their vo...
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jarcher2828

Jun 4, 2007, 10:08 PM
Completly agree...

But you left out die hard apple fans. which I admit their are quit a few
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Jayshmay

Jun 4, 2007, 6:41 PM
I agree!!! It'll be a huge hit, maybe not as huge as the RAZR was though. But we'll see.

It's market impact should be known by the end of this year.

Hopefully Apple will get they're act together and release a 3G HSDPA 3.6mbps iPhone!!!!!!!!!
In the not too distant future!!!!!!

And yes, I think Cingulars 3G network is plenty, plenty deployed throughout the nation for there to be market support for a 3G iPhone!!!
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nextel18

Jun 4, 2007, 3:22 PM
Yea. It is interesting to see how many people actually purchase this phone even though there are over 1 million people who have inquired about this device. There will always be people who will pay $500 for a cell phone, but do not forget this is not just a phone, because it is much more than that. The most important thing that consumers are very dumb about technology, even though AT&T and Apple will market this phone quite well, because this phone/device only has 2g on it not even 3g/4g data. I think when there will be a 3g/4g data on there, it would be selling a lot better and people will be more enticed to get it especially the business users. I would not mind this type of device now or in the future as Apple does a great job with its soft...
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Jayshmay

Jun 4, 2007, 6:51 PM
Yeah, I agree, once it has 3G it'll be a much, much more eXciting device. Personally, I'm dissapointed it doesn't have an external microSD card slot, I don't care about how much internal memory it has, I always like to have removable memory.
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nextel18

Jun 7, 2007, 6:29 PM
Yea. There are many things that we are all concerned about but consumers do not care because they are the brightest in the bulb if you will, however, you must give great credit to Apple and AT&T for marketing this device.

Actually all of the others need a lot of credit too because they don’t really say anything about 2G or 3G technology so they trick the consumer in saying this is the fad now but you would need to purchase something in the future. They obviously do this on purpose. Is it a bad thing? Not for shareholders. It is somewhat annoying though for us on Phone Scoops and the like and some consumers who want that best thing.
They have to wait sometime. I also do not like that whole exclusivity thing. I am a shareholder too of Ap...
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jarcher2828

Jun 4, 2007, 10:34 PM
A lot of business users use software developed for windows mobile, Palm and Blackberry that their company gives them.

Here are a few ex.

real estate agents use their treo's to open the key box at many houses using the infared port. they simply run the program point it at the box and then it opens.

Many Trucking disbatchers/managers have a program on treo's or wm5 that will track all the trucks and let them know which trucks are closest to what jobs, and plan routes on the fly.

And finally Blackberry just do email better than anything else. PERIOD. So any company that relies heavily will never switch until the iphone does it better for LESS!

How well will this sync up to outlook? And it would have to do all this BETTER in ord...
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nextel18

Jun 7, 2007, 6:24 PM
Very good points.
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sangyup81

Jun 4, 2007, 3:23 PM
Millions already do outside the USA.

Time for American customers to catch up to the high end.
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Omagus

Jun 4, 2007, 4:52 PM
Yeah, but not for a phone that is using older data speeds AND requires a two year commitment. That's my biggest gripe. It would be very close to worth it if I could get it without having to commit. I suppose one could always get the iPhone and then just break their contract if and when someone figures out how to unlock them. But then we're getting into the $800 range.
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KingJames670

Jun 5, 2007, 5:04 PM
All I know is that I won't be spending a range of $500-$600 and most people probably wont spend this much unless they want to be broke or they are rich and need a fancy Phone ipod and full internet access all in one device. also the iPhone is NOT the first touchscreen without buttons. The LG Prada is the first. some people may all ready know. 😉
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linkfeeney

Jun 8, 2007, 7:04 AM
just because you can't afford it, it doesn't other people can't. People on ebay spending $600 and more for the Nokia N95!! I think is way better than the iphone! Touch screen is going to smear finger prints all over it. I just dont like the idea with 2 yr contract!!! that's BS!! If i want to spend $600 on the phone, I would just buy the phone!! This country is the worst in cell phones agreements!! I was in euro and asia. Their contract is 6 months or some dont at all!
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