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but is it really unlimited?

StoreLead

Apr 16, 2007, 3:55 PM
i know that vzw has a thing about saying 'unlimited' and then limiting what they've said would be unltd. i.e. aircards....
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gsmrulz

Apr 16, 2007, 5:46 PM
Of course it's unlimited.....? Just extend your contract for another two years, but wait does that ruin my upgrade eligibility? And my personal favorite be VERY wary of "Domestic" roaming, (verizon loves showing the big "RED" map that paints the whole country red with coverage)which then.....it's not unlimited,if it works at all or just switch to the "ALLOVER" network. Then you don't have to worry about being "IN" or "OUT", just the comfort that the features you pay for will work over the entire network.
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GoNe2heLL

Apr 16, 2007, 9:03 PM
get your facts straight gsmrulz

no need to extend your contract for 2 years to get the unlimited txt. if you have less than year left then yes it will push it out 1 year from the date of the change.

whenever you extend your contract due to promotions and crap like that that WILL NOT change your phone upgrade date.


all of the new america's choice plans (last couple of years) have free roaming anywhere in US. so if your phone can pick up the signal you have free roaming.

also "allover (nowhere)" network claims are based on info from year 2005 WOW.


flame on
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gsmrulz

Apr 16, 2007, 9:12 PM
no need to extend your contract for 2 years to get the unlimited txt. if you have less than year left then yes it will push it out 1 year from the date of the change.

...WRONG, not this time.

all of the new america's choice plans (last couple of years) have free roaming anywhere in US. so if your phone can pick up the signal you have free roaming.

....Very WRONG, read your own fine print smart guy, why would Verizon call it "IN"...because you can be "OUT". All unlimited features DO NOT apply when roaming, mobile to mobile, etc...

Flame OUT!
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GoNe2heLL

Apr 16, 2007, 9:21 PM
1st) 1 year contract trust me i know this better than you do.


2nd) No one said anything about features etc (but if you want to go into the detail we can). It was about roaming coverage and NO you can not get charged for roaming on America's Choice II plans anywhere in US. Once again pick up the signal get the free roaming.
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gsmrulz

Apr 16, 2007, 9:27 PM
2nd) No one said anything about features etc (but if you want to go into the detail we can).

Actually, that was exsactly what I was refering to in my first post, Features and unlimited mobile to mobile. Right it down next time if your short term memory fails you.

1st) 1 year contract trust me i know this better than you do.

Then Verizon should really think about firing some of their national trainers, because thats what they are teaching. Or, your wrong.
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GoNe2heLL

Apr 16, 2007, 9:39 PM
"And my personal favorite be VERY wary of "Domestic" roaming, (verizon loves showing the big "RED" map that paints the whole country red with coverage)which then.....it's not unlimited"


i don't see anything here do you?
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jskrenes

Apr 17, 2007, 12:30 AM
There is no roaming EVER on Verizon when in the US. Some features (like picture messaging and broadband speed surfing) won't work if you're not connected to a VZW tower, but you can always talk and text anywhere you can get a signal.

You can change price plans and only extend your contract by a year, you just have to tell the associate on the phone that you want a one year contract extension.
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gsmrulz

Apr 17, 2007, 6:34 AM
It doesn't surprise me for you to avoid the point, thats why verizons customer satisfaction rating has been dropping and churn rate has been creeping up.
So you're telling people that thier unlimited mobile to mobile applies still while roaming or in Analog???
Help me out here, how many phones in Verizons CURRENT line-up can still utilize analog? Good thing they always like to show the big red map that shows a TON of analog only coverage.
I can't wait for 08' when the truth comes out on national advetising when analog is removed. No more big red map! Why don't you do a side by side comparison of verizon's digital coverage against AT&T's....enough said.
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jskrenes

Apr 17, 2007, 8:55 AM
I'm really not sure what map you're looking at, but there's not a ton of analog left. There is some in extremely rural areas, and a few places like Oregon and Maine have a lot of analog, but the vast majority of the map is digital.

I sell about a half a dozen tri-mode phones, and Verizon's website has a few more, but I have never in four years of sales had a digital-only phone be returned because a customer couldn't get reception where they needed.

And Verizon's unlimited mobile-to-mobile calling ALWAYS works, no matter where you are. Texting works as long as you can get a digital connection. Pix messaging won't work if your Verizon phone is connected to say a US Cellular or Alltel tower.
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shaztoy81

Apr 17, 2007, 11:14 AM
I guess you work for AT&T. They don't have that great of coverage area. The area that I live they don't have a signal here!!! I would love for Verizon to compare with AT&T!!!!!!!!!!
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Mike1981x

Apr 16, 2007, 9:29 PM
sorry gsmrulz, but a 2yr isn't required. i've been renewing people for only 1yr since we started it on sunday.

texts, pix, flix, & instant messages are unlimited anywhere in the u.s., to a u.s. number. sending a message to a canadian #, or sending one while roaming in canada, is not included. same goes for mexico.
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radicaL

Apr 17, 2007, 9:50 AM
if i have the old family share plan am i able to keep it with the txt msging package i currently have. which is the 10.00 one. with 500 additional and unlimited to any one on verizon! let me know thanks
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Mike1981x

Apr 17, 2007, 10:19 AM
yes you can, the new plans are being offered in addition to the old ones. the calling plan you have is now referred to as basic, and the new ones are select.
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fwvzw

Apr 17, 2007, 3:44 PM
IN is in network. Meaning Verizon Wireless to Verizon Wireless it has nothing to do with where you are. OUT would be out of network such as Cingular.
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elgee02

Apr 17, 2007, 11:33 AM
dude quit talking like you know ANYTHING about how VZW works cause obviously you DON'T!

ANYWHERE in the US where you get a signal, whether it's analog or roaming off another carrier you ALWAYS have unlimited IN... ALWAYS!!!!!

And for price plan changes ONLY A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT IS REQUIRED. And for people who are still in the first year of their agreement, obviously that one year agreement won't affect them.

Sorry dude, I know more about how VZW works then you do. Try again.
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jackieramossteel

Apr 17, 2007, 11:36 AM
Yeah, the "IN" versus "OUT" is what at&t considered "mobile to mobile" or non at&t calling. And yes, it is one year if you have less than one year to go and it does not effect the upgrade times. Also the contract extension is also required with at&t so why make such a big deal about VZW doing it?
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gsmrulz

Apr 17, 2007, 4:31 PM
You're making my point quite easy, thanks. Now I know why VZW's churn rate is heading north and thier customer satisfaction is heading south.
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craptacularwireless

Apr 17, 2007, 6:47 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Verizon's churn numbers keep getting lower and they lead the industry in that metric. I think you need to take your orange tinted glasses before you speak.
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elgee02

Apr 18, 2007, 1:35 AM
Now where are you getting this crap from? VZW's year over year churn is DOWN, and of all the carriers they have the highest JD Power Cust Satisfaction score. Seriously dude, stop making stuff up.
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gsmrulz

Apr 18, 2007, 7:01 AM
elgee02 said:
Now where are you getting this crap from? VZW's year over year churn is DOWN, and of all the carriers they have the highest JD Power Cust Satisfaction score. Seriously dude, stop making stuff up.

The information comes right from VZW themselves smartguy. They are a publically traded company which means all records are available to view. Just simply google Verizon quarterly earnings and you can see everything, matter of fact ou can do the same for any wireless company. You'd be surprised the information you can find, even the amount of digital towers operated by a specific company. (AT&T-47,000, sprint 22,000, etc...) April 28th most companies will announce thier 1st quarter earnings for 07'.
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elgee02

Apr 18, 2007, 3:41 PM
Well you just proved your ignorance right there. "Verizon Wireless" is NOT a publicly traded company 🤣 🤣 🤣

Verizon Communications (the DSL/Landline company) owns 55% of Verizon Wireless, and Vodafone owns the other 45%.

And it is an UNDENYABLE FACT that Verizon Wireless' year over year churn is in fact DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN... there is no other possible way you can spin that dude. Give up now before you make yourself look more foolish.
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gsmrulz

Apr 19, 2007, 11:19 AM
Again, it's like having a battle of brains with an un-armed person.
MY FAMILY OWNS AND TRADES VERIZON STOCK!!!!!!amongst many, many others.
We own/operate a investment firm in Boston and New York, so please don't talk out your A$$!
And VZW churn rate is up!!!! Just do some research, PLEASE....2004 earnings statement vs. 2005 vs 2006, damn your dumb.
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elgee02

Apr 19, 2007, 11:50 AM
This has to be the funniest thing I have ever seen. I love it when people are so 100% sure they are right when in fact they are wrong.

Let me try to explain this to you in simpler terms because you clearly are a moron....

Of course you can buy Verizon (notice there is no wireless) stock, Verizon COMMUNICATIONS is a publicly traded company so yes, that is the stock that you are referring to that your family owns.

Verizon WIRELESS is a PRIVATE company that is 55% owned by Verizon Wireless and 45% owned by Vodafone. PROVE ME WRONG I DARE YOU 🤣 🤣

And here is some PROOF about churn for you to chew on: Q42005 VZW churn 1.2%, Q42006 VZW chrun 1.1% that right there shows a DOWNWARD trend of chrun.

Please, I am begging you ...
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gsmrulz

Apr 19, 2007, 6:21 PM
I tell you what, I except I was wrong on the churn I had my spreadsheets reversed. My bad, human error.

BUT, you are dead wrong on Verizon wireless not being publically traded. And I won't even argue my point, so please just follow this link on YOUR companies bio and write back to appologize like a man like I did. I don't sell phones for a living, I trade your companies stock amongst many others, and have invested in a few small premier agents (for AT&T obviously)

http://money.cnn.com/quote/snapshot/snapshot.html?sy ... »
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elgee02

Apr 19, 2007, 11:13 PM
gsmrulz said:
BUT, you are dead wrong on Verizon wireless not being publically traded. And I won't even argue my point, so please just follow this link on YOUR companies bio and write back to appologize like a man like I did. I don't sell phones for a living, I trade your companies stock amongst many others, and have invested in a few small premier agents (for AT&T obviously)

http://money.cnn.com/quote/snapshot/snapshot.html?sy ... »

This is too good, I love it!

Dude, it's what I have been trying to tell you all along. Verizon COMMUNICATIONS is the publicly traded company (stock ticker VZ) that you refer to. Notice how I stress the COMMUNICATIONS part, there is no WIRELESS in that name. Verizon COMMUN...
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elgee02

Apr 19, 2007, 11:15 PM
EDIT: Disregard the other reply to this, I didn't mean to insert my rebuttal in the blockquotes.

gsmrulz said:
BUT, you are dead wrong on Verizon wireless not being publically traded. And I won't even argue my point, so please just follow this link on YOUR companies bio and write back to appologize like a man like I did. I don't sell phones for a living, I trade your companies stock amongst many others, and have invested in a few small premier agents (for AT&T obviously)

http://money.cnn.com/quote/snapshot/snapshot.html?sy ... »

This is too good, I love it!

Dude, it's what I have been trying to tell you all along. Verizon COMMUNICATIONS is the publicly traded company (stock ticker VZ) that you ref...
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vcat123

Apr 20, 2007, 5:51 PM
You couldn't be more wrong. Verizon Wireless is actually "Cellco Partnership dba Verizon Wireless." It is a joint partnership from Verizon Communications (who owns 55%) and Vodafone (45% stakeholder). You will see in recent posts that Verizon Comm. has recently tried to buy bake some or all of the 45% but at this time Vodafone is still in on the deal.
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Myke3630

Apr 17, 2007, 9:44 AM
The short answer, no, it's not unlimited. If you are not within the National Enhanced Services Rate and Coverage Area, text messages are not unlimited. They are charged at the pay-as-you-go rate of $0.15 per message. This is plastered all over the collateral and marketing materials for the plan, for those who didn't notice. Both maps can be found in the current consumer brochure. Read up and stop giving misinformation to your customers.

There is a very limited portion of the coverage map that is "analog only," but there is quite a bit of digital roaming.
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elgee02

Apr 17, 2007, 11:44 AM
Wrong dude, simply wrong. I have family in an extended service area that I visit quite frequently and guess what? ALL my texts sent and received while there fell within my bundle, so looks like your idiotic crackpot theory is WRONG. And with the collateral in my hands as I post this I can also simply state that ANYWHERE IN THE US YOU HAVE A SIGNAL you still have all the benefits of "IN" calling and texting, and on these new plans unlimited messaging will mean exactly that.... UNLIMITED MESSAGING.

If you are gonna bash big red, stop making stuff up.
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Myke3630

Apr 17, 2007, 1:05 PM
First of all, let me just say you should take it easy. This is cell phone service we're talking here, no need to get testy. Secondly, I'm not bashing VZW at all, they put food on my plate if you pick up what I'm putting down.

Thirdly, read ANY of the new collateral. Nowhere in the new brochures, buckslips, store posters, website, etc... does it say anything even remotely close to "anywhere in the US..." What it does say, however, word for word is this...

"Unlimited messaging available only from within the National Enhanced Services Coverage Area, and not throughout the America's Choice Coverage Area."

If you work in a store, you should probably stand up and march right over to the calling plans walls and read this statement, written...
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shaztoy81

Apr 17, 2007, 1:09 PM
I live just south of an area that is according to the map is NOT a national enhanced coverage area and we can still use all of our features including text and in calling in that area. So you can't go word for word on what the book says. You have to know the area too!!!
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Myke3630

Apr 17, 2007, 1:19 PM
Is it not all about wording though? In the event that a customer does get charged for his texting, is it not going to be a big to-do because his or her sales rep said it'd be unlimited everywhere? If the customer doesn't get charged for his text, then great, he's pleasantly surprised. As a representative of Verizon Wireless, I get paid to relay the company's policies. It's not my job to interpret.

Again, personally, I think it's a great plan.
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shaztoy81

Apr 17, 2007, 1:31 PM
You must work in a call center and don't know the area around very well. You can tell them what it says so they can go to their local store and talk to someone that has been in that area and knows exactly how it is going to work. I couldn't tell you how many extremly happy customers we have in that area and they don't get charged anything extra for being there.
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Myke3630

Apr 17, 2007, 1:45 PM
Nope, I work in a store in the Boston suburbs, so service isn't an issue. No roaming anywhere around here. Just saying.
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shaztoy81

Apr 17, 2007, 1:46 PM
It helps with NO ROAMING plans. I don't have roaming around here either.
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shaztoy81

Apr 17, 2007, 1:51 PM
GROW UP
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Myke3630

Apr 17, 2007, 2:53 PM
Grow up? Ok.
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