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Market Share that Sprint/Nextel has on this...

nextel18

Apr 5, 2007, 8:29 PM
Sprint/Nextel have way too much market share in this area so that is why we have seen a lot of companies trying to deploy a PTT solution/product but failing and US Cellular is another company who has taken that step. I think it is a good decision by them because they should offer products and services that they know what’s best such as what is mentioned in the article about m2m. No one has a chance against Sprint/Nextel when it comes to PTT.
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RUFF1415

Apr 5, 2007, 9:21 PM
nextel18 said:
No one has a chance against Sprint/Nextel when it comes to PTT.

Cingular does.
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cwcanty

Apr 6, 2007, 1:21 AM
no...they really don't...when people think PTT, they think nextel or sprint...not cingular. And the marketing dollars it would take for ATT to get people on board would certainly not be worth it. PTT is old hat and with the explosion of text messaging, I really don't see PTT making much progress in the next few years, except with business customers.

CW
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marufio

Apr 6, 2007, 4:26 AM
PTT is really only for businesses not regular customers.
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middlekid3058

Apr 6, 2007, 4:34 AM
I agree, you did see a little "push"(get it...it is a play on words 🤣 from Cingular on the push to talk last year, but not a word since on the National Ads, they are too busy telling everyone they are the NEW AT&T. Sprint Nextel are kings here, and I do not see alot of regular folks around town using these.
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coziamnumber1

Apr 6, 2007, 9:16 AM
hell sprint can;t even compete with nextel for a PTT solution (ready link)
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wombough

Apr 6, 2007, 2:31 PM
Sprint doesn't have to compete since they are one company now. Why compete with yourself!
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RUFF1415

Apr 6, 2007, 3:17 PM
I'm not saying that's it's logical to enter the market and try to push a service that seems to be the least favorable means of communication via mobile device...but Cingular/AT&T has. And they're making a dent in the industry with it too! They have a considerable amount of PTT subscribers for only being in the game for a little over a year.

Their solution even gives Nextel's iDen a run for its money on the technical side of things.

That's just the way it's going...
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algorithmplus

Apr 6, 2007, 6:51 PM
HSDPA, with VoIP, could signal a new type of PTT...in which more traditional PTT is combined with IM type like Cingular has done.

VoIP could help make PTT better thank Kodiak's solution of trunking voice calls.
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muchdrama

Apr 6, 2007, 3:17 PM
RUFF1415 said:
nextel18 said:
No one has a chance against Sprint/Nextel when it comes to PTT.

Cingular does.


You expect him to recognize this when he practically worships at the alter of Sprextel?
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RUFF1415

Apr 6, 2007, 4:08 PM
muchdrama said:
RUFF1415 said:
nextel18 said:
No one has a chance against Sprint/Nextel when it comes to PTT.

Cingular does.


You expect him to recognize this when he practically worships at the alter of Sprextel?

No, the only things I really expect from Nextel18 is arrogance, ignorance, prejudice and lies.
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algorithmplus

Apr 6, 2007, 7:21 PM
Has Nextel18 announced Sprint's Multinetwork phone yet? It's called the Sprint-All

It has WiMaX, EV-DO, 1xRtt, iDEN, and, yes, even GSM 900/1800 and UMTS 2100 for international roaming (along with TV and radio solutions, more info on those services later).

The phone will be made by Motorola, it will cost approximately $250, it will be available sometime in late 2007, will be the size of a playing card (length, height, and YES, EVEN WIDTH), and will work only on Sprint's network domestically, and the networks of its international roaming partners. The phone will also have 17 megapixel camera, that's right, 17 megapixel camera and the optical zoom will be 200x, with digital zoom to 800x. It is expected to have around 500 gigabytes of ...
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stevoftw

Apr 6, 2007, 7:28 PM
🤣 🤣 🤣

Thank you...I REALLY needed a good laugh today.


...and of course, even after Sprint does all of these wonderous things, they will find a new way to operate retail locations with little to no manpower, as they have all been sold off to being indirect agents, contracted out for minimum wage, or terminated...
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muchdrama

Apr 9, 2007, 4:59 PM
RUFF1415 said:
muchdrama said:
RUFF1415 said:
nextel18 said:
No one has a chance against Sprint/Nextel when it comes to PTT.

Cingular does.


You expect him to recognize this when he practically worships at the alter of Sprextel?

No, the only things I really expect from Nextel18 is arrogance, ignorance, prejudice and lies.


Oh. Well, in that case...
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regine44

Apr 6, 2007, 1:53 PM
Hey Nextel18,

I think one important point that everyone misses. When you buy iden phone you get PTT automatically there no charge for it its included in the price plan. If you look at the other carries they charge you extra plus only 10% probably less have PTT feature.
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regine44

Apr 6, 2007, 1:55 PM
No one goign to pay extra for PTT or get a phone with PTT that only the 10% of the people have. The diffrence with IDEN is: Hey man whats your priavte ID, Cool walkie you later.
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algorithmplus

Apr 7, 2007, 11:36 AM
It depends...some people would prefer to have a phone number that can be called or PTT'd. I know living in a rural area in the past, I hated the fact there was a different address for US mail than there was for 911 calls than there was for UPS/Fedex deliveries. If you mix them up, "undeliverable" will return it to sender.
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jrfdsf

Apr 7, 2007, 4:23 PM
The big selling point of Nextel has been the fact that an employer can purchase 100 phones without phone service on them, thus, eliminating the possibility of someone using their walkie-talkie for long distance or personal calls.
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algorithmplus

Apr 8, 2007, 6:57 PM
But, that doesn't eliminate using PTT to phone home on the wife's Nextel phone. It just prevents it from using traditional phone numbers. But you can still PTT for personal use to other customers.
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jrfdsf

Apr 8, 2007, 8:34 PM
Yes, but nobody cares if you PTT your spouse or buddies because there's no chance of using daytime minutes to do so. If you have phone service, you could call anyone anywhere with it, and in spite of some employer's strict prohibitions of using it for personal reasons, people still do it.
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algorithmplus

Apr 9, 2007, 5:09 PM
Many customers do not want you to use the phone for *personal* reasons while on the job, regardless for the cost or lack of cost.

I highly doubt any company would be ok with a construction worker PTT'ing his wife for 8 hours on a day.
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jrfdsf

Apr 9, 2007, 7:50 PM
Most people I know with those phones who buy them for their spouse's and families use them, and their employer really doesn't care. Employers become concerned with this when it either interferes with their employees job performance, or it costs them money.

This is precisely why most businesses still use Nextels. The PTT can be limited to just that, and even the nationwide feature can be limited. Much more difficult to track phone calls made by employees to folks other than those who have "in" plans.
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nextel18

Apr 8, 2007, 5:49 PM
Yea, that is also another very good point. IDEN phones all have PTT while you have to find phones that have PTT which are only a select few with entry-level type of phones. When they finally come out with higher end phones, they will see it is a waste of their time and I think that is why others are not so successful. Also, do not forget to mention that their PTT solutions are horrible, especially since the ones that use voice channels.
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algorithmplus

Apr 8, 2007, 7:16 PM
Sprint's currently branded Sprint PTT is horrible, as well.

I think Sprint would have better going with the merger by updating the Sprint CDMA network. They should have made sure there was Sprint CDMA coverage everywhere there was Nextel iDEN coverage, and then make sure the entire network was EV-DO Rev a, or even Rev b. Then they should have simply began a phase-out of the company's iDEN services, migrating ALL iDEN customers to CDMA.

This could have been an opportunity to make a deal with affiliate to take Nextel customers in no-compete markets. However, Sprint may have wanted to gain control of the affiliates, I'm not sure.

Instead, they're making the networks compatible, including contracting devices that work with both netwo...
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nextel18

Apr 9, 2007, 5:56 PM
Well their PTT is horrible from the beginning but I was talking about the combined company on the IDEN side. Qchat will be a great PTT when it will be out next year.

With regarding their technology choices, they were actually forced by the FCC to deploy some kind of network on their 2.5GHZ band or lose it.
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muchdrama

Apr 10, 2007, 5:36 PM
nextel18 said:
Well their PTT is horrible from the beginning but I was talking about the combined company on the IDEN side. Qchat will be a great PTT when it will be out next year.

With regarding their technology choices, they were actually forced by the FCC to deploy some kind of network on their 2.5GHZ band or lose it.


You HOPE Qchat will be great.

Let's not pop the the cork on the bubbly before the verdict is in.
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algorithmplus

Apr 10, 2007, 11:06 PM
No, I don't mean deploying on other frequency, I mean the newer technology should be focus of the company, and then just sunset the iDEN network like analog. But they're trying to bridge iDEN with the newer technologies, prolonging the archaic use of iDEN.
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nextel18

Apr 12, 2007, 5:52 PM
Well IDEN has a lot of life left and it is making money.
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muchdrama

Apr 6, 2007, 3:18 PM
nextel18 said:
Sprint/Nextel have way too much market share in this area so that is why we have seen a lot of companies trying to deploy a PTT solution/product but failing and US Cellular is another company who has taken that step. I think it is a good decision by them because they should offer products and services that they know what’s best such as what is mentioned in the article about m2m. No one has a chance against Sprint/Nextel when it comes to PTT.


Blah, blah, blah...

It's like a broken record.

Of COURSE other providers have a chance against Sprextel in regards to PTT.

Don't be daft.
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getnthe411

Apr 7, 2007, 7:59 AM
The only company that is competing with Sprint / Nextel is Sprint / Nextel. More people leave the PTT format than any other wireless offering. Data is the future of wireless. Not PTT. Business consumers are looking for REAL business solutions, and not voice only. Yeah, PTT was good for it's time, but now it is time to move on. MTM gets the same thing done. Text gets it done. Blackberries get it done. Location based services get it done. So if Sprint / Nextel is still banking on PTT, then it is time to find yet another CEO.
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jrfdsf

Apr 7, 2007, 4:33 PM
Not for businesses, anyway. No one who is unloading a truck is going to have time to type out a two minute long text message, especially when it's easier to push a button and say "hey, I'm finished", and the person on the other end says "o.k.".

I believe texting is a fad that will go away in a couple of years. Slow and pointless. Free M2M, on the other hand, might be a different story.
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getnthe411

Apr 7, 2007, 7:09 PM
Dude. If its taking you 2 minutes to type in "Hey, I'm finished", then you have problems!
I guess you have never taken the time to learn T9 or Sure Type. Sorry if you are behind the curve. In a few years when you are still using your precious Nextel PTT phone and get NO reply to your annoying barged call, then MAYBE you will finally realize how stupid your reply was.
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jrfdsf

Apr 8, 2007, 9:51 AM
What I'm saying is businesses that rely on instant communication (such as the police, rescue workers, factories etc.) will never replace PTT with SLOW text messaging. Even using T9 or quick notes, it still requires time and attention to enter text messages and replies. This is time and attention you don't have when you're operating a forklift, trying to secure a parameter, or need the go ahead to enter a burning building.

Two-way walkie talkies, whether it's Nextel's IDEN, or traditional police radios aren't going to be replaced with something that's slower and less efficient.

I still say that two years from now, nobody's going to care about texting, especially as it will be banned from schools, and unlimited calling across carriers be...
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RUFF1415

Apr 8, 2007, 1:22 PM
jrfdsf said:
I still say that two years from now, nobody's going to care about texting, especially as it will be banned from schools, and unlimited calling across carriers begins to become more prevalent.

I think you're waaaay off base with this thinking. Text and multimedia messaging has exploded in the past few years and it shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon. Usage across the globe has been on the rise in leaps in bounds year over year.

And as far as text messaging being banned in certain places...it already has been. And trust me, that certainly hasn't kept anybody from doing it.
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