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How do you like that, Sprint?

Anxiovert

Mar 28, 2007, 10:03 PM
šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£
I guess Sprextel will have to figure out new ways of trashing Cingular šŸ™„
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nextel18

Mar 28, 2007, 10:07 PM
All I have to say is Wimax. šŸ™‚
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jjgreene

Mar 28, 2007, 10:21 PM
Wimax.......HA ha HA ha......i can't wait to see how many headaches sprint is going to go through with wimax, as Cingular will have 7.2 Mbps speeds this year with HSPA, and next year will have HSPA+ which will yield 28 down and 11 up......and the following year will have for the most part their entire network covered with broadband access with an update to the EDGE network providing for 1 Mbps downloads using EDGE.......


So to recap, cingular is currently faster, edge is and will continue to get even faster then 1xRtt, has better coverage in your urban areas through GSM, have their current broadband network deployed pretty much allover the place("Allover Network") and are continuing to light up cities left and right, they really only ju...
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Jonathanlc2005

Mar 29, 2007, 12:05 AM
lol buddy you said comcast is reliable at home. wait about a year or 2 when comcast will have thier internet on our wimax towers. šŸ¤£

wimax is capable of 70mbps down and up, is it going to be like that, no. but i will say if sanyo has a chip manufacturer for wimax phones that sez its requirements are atleast 25mbps down, then we know where the speeds are at. wimax is with sprint, cable companies, gaming devices, and other electronical devices, plus the US government only uses sprint nextel, so cingular isnt going to have all its glory with its HSPA. its nice to see they are finally catching up but just remember, sprint has no limit to what you can do on evdo rev a or wimax, check out your terms on cingular and you will see why cingula...
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the_eraser

Mar 29, 2007, 12:22 AM
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If it was that great then you wouldn't be bleeding customers through your nose. Learn how to keep your current customers and then come and talk to us about data speeds. So, JonathanLc2005. Will Sprint finally get over 750,000 net adds for this quarter? šŸ™„ How about churn? Will it go down for the 1st quarter? at least a bit???? šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£
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KingJohn405

Mar 29, 2007, 4:11 AM
LOL LOL LOL!!! I cant really say anything, because this is soo funny! Look I have worked for cingular for about 2 years and now I am with sprint. All I have to say is EDGE is just ridiculous slow! My friend with a 3G GSM phone from cingular was surfing the net while i was too surfing the net also.. All i have to say is i surfed up through 3 pages while he tried to get his 1st page uploaded. The Sprint phones surf up to 2X faster than cingular. So jjgreene or whatever I laugh at you for saying EDGE/Cingular is faster because it isnt!! Dont kid yourself, but whatever makes you happy oh well! The fact is 1xRTT is fast and EVDO is high speed. Dont compare Cingular to Sprint or Verizon, especially with data. Now that WiMax is coming out, it will ...
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gsmrulz

Mar 29, 2007, 8:55 AM
Did you just say 1xRTT is fast? Grass grows faster! And 75% of all CDMA phones are NOT backwards compatable, that means no EVDO = NO data at all. Every GSM phone IS backwards compatable which means no 3G = 3X dialup data. "GSM is behind", time to look outside your livingroom, GSM leads the world in data (US is just behind) look what Japan has done. OH yeah, NO countries are adopting CDMA, they're converting to W-CDMA which has more to do with GSM than CDMA2000(which is what we use here in the US) Thats why CDMA providers are betting the house on Wi-Max because its a more natural progresion to W-CDMA from GSM(i.e.- UMTS-HSDPA-HSUPA-HSPA+-etc...) I hope the "dual mode" Wi-Max phones work better than the old GAIT phones did.
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Jonathanlc2005

Mar 29, 2007, 9:35 AM
lol you dont even know what your talking about. evdo rev a and evdo is cdma 2000.
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KingJohn405

Mar 29, 2007, 10:59 AM
You tell'em Jonathan! This guy is obviously doesnt know what he's talking about. So tell me gsmrulz if GSM is soo that faster and great how come japan is starting to switch to CDMA?? because it is faster! yes faster! even japanese foreign exchange students here tell me that more of their companies in japan are going to CDMA. And this is coming from real japanese people who actually lives there. GSM is the old technology thats behind not the US.
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en102

Mar 29, 2007, 11:50 AM
GSM = global
UMTS = 3G GSM (WCDMA) = global

CDMA = North America + a few other countries

Japan has moved to UMTS
http://www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Global_3G_Status_Upda ... »
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mi_canuck

Mar 29, 2007, 6:59 PM
notice in that PDF that the U.S. got HSDPA before pretty much everyone else (Dec `05)
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jjgreene

Mar 29, 2007, 3:33 PM
you and Jonathan.....you'll need some help sorting things out.......Japan did not go to CDMA, they are moving to WCDMA(UMTS) which is a GSM progression, i never said EDGE was faster than sprint, i said EDGE was faster than 1xRtt, which it is....And i said EDGE has an upgrade coming that will more than triple its current speeds......

The world is on GSM, and progressing with GSM....CDMA is a U.S. thing, and we all know where th U.S. is with technology(always last), not to say i don't love my country.
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 5:58 PM
Has nothing to do that they feel it is better, just Qualcomm is in their view, charging too much.
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gsmrulz

Mar 29, 2007, 6:11 PM
OK, for Jonathanlc2005 & KingJohn405 I'll put this in the most BASIC terms possible. CDMA2000 is NOT what is used in Japan W-CDMA is which as stated before is the natural progression of GSM/UMTS. CDMA2000 is what is used by U.S. wireless providers(Verizon, Sprint,etc...) which has nothing to do with W-CDMA. If you're going to read an article, please read the whole thing before you try to speak intelligently on the subject. Oh yeah, one more thing I travel to Japan about once a quarter and the only phone today that works on their 2100mhz "W-CDMA" network is the HTC-8525 (used by AT&T)
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 6:44 PM
Perhaps you should read up more, take a look at this URL; http://www.telephonyworld.com/cgi-bin/news/vi ewnews.cgi?category=all&id=1172624929
ā€œAPPROXIMATELY 600,000 JAPANESE SUBSCRIBERS HAVE SELECTED CDMA2000 SINCE MOBILE NUMBER PORTABILITY TOOK EFFECT IN OCTOBER 2006:

I am sure you can search for other companies that do business there
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gsmrulz

Mar 30, 2007, 9:15 AM
We're getting a little off subject of my original point that CDMA2000 has little - nothing to do with W-CDMA. But seeing as you made a numbers statment...there is about 127.5 million people on the island of Japan and you just touted that 600k have CDMA2000. I'm no math major, but that's about .4% of the population. Good statemnet though.
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nextel18

Mar 30, 2007, 2:00 PM
You mentioned; ā€œCDMA2000 is NOT what is used in Japan W-CDMA is which as stated before is the natural progression of GSM/UMTSā€Ā, while I proved to you that, they did even if it is .4%.

I was simply proving you wrong.

Yea, the whole topic was diverted. That usually happens.
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en102

Mar 30, 2007, 2:49 PM
Japan never had GSM..
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nextel18

Mar 31, 2007, 6:30 AM
I never said GSM.
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BeachSlapped

Apr 1, 2007, 12:32 AM
en102 said:
Japan never had GSM..


You guys need to do some research before posting things in here

http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_jp.shtml »

Japan DOES have 3G/UMTS! Last time I checked UMTS is an upgrade of the GSM platform... šŸ™„
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macuser09

Mar 29, 2007, 11:22 AM
1xrtt isn't as slow as you make it out to be. I can listen to streaming audio on my 1xrtt phone with no problem. Reason I don't upgrade to EVDO is I need analog for when I'm way out or on mountains.
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algorithmplus

Mar 29, 2007, 1:39 PM
Within a year, you may not have any analog coverage, as it's early 2008 when the carriers can "turn the switch off" on analog.
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algorithmplus

Mar 29, 2007, 1:35 PM
Cingular EDGE is faster than Sprint 1xRTT. Cingular WCDMA is faster than Sprint EV-DO.

However, that does not mean EDGE is faster than EV-DO.
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Jonathanlc2005

Mar 29, 2007, 9:38 AM
yeah it did, but your looking at nextel bringing us down. sprint CDMA went up but nextel lost about a million customers so thats what the numbers showed in total.

you can try to convince me that cingular is better then sprint but you wont even make any single convincing to me because i can use my internet how i like it and whenever i want anywhere in the country in 3g speeds. you can make sure you cant step out atleast 50 miles and goes back to edge. edge sucks so badly it makes 1xrtt looks good.
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algorithmplus

Mar 29, 2007, 1:40 PM
Actually, EDGE is faster than 1xRTT.
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KingJohn405

Mar 29, 2007, 2:33 PM
No, actually 1xRTT is faster than EDGE. I did my test and compared phones. trust me. I get streaming video and radio on 1xRTT when my friends EDGE cant do so.
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jjgreene

Mar 29, 2007, 3:39 PM
you prob don't even know if your friend had an EDGE capable phone....because EDGE is faster than 1xRtt, and WCDMA is faster than EV-DO.....


What you don't realize is that with my WCDMA device, whenever i go out into the boonies i get my EDGE fallback, and can use either technology. CAN YOU?

GSM is and will continue to progress and surpass any CDMA network
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KingJohn405

Mar 29, 2007, 4:54 PM
Well jjgreene, yes my friend does have EDGE, the blackberry pearl for cingular, oh yeah he has it. And trust me I have more access than him. And the other question, yes, I have EVDO everywhere I go, but if im traveling and in the boonies I have 1xRTT to fall on so yeah. GSM is a joke, i used to have GSM and work with GSM, and now with CDMA oh yeah it WORTH IT! So I dont really know what your talking about. But I do like your imagination though. šŸ¤£
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jjgreene

Mar 29, 2007, 7:10 PM
what network are you on? and please don't say sprint......Verizon is one thing, but if your on sprint you should just shoot yourself now.

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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 7:41 PM
I actually have Sprint for EV-DO Rev A, the speeds are quite good, and the coverage is even better. Unfortunately, Verizon has nothing against Sprintā€™s offering, it is as evident by how many subscribers that Sprint has on their network, and Verizon has on theirs. Sprint is ahead by 5times.
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en102

Mar 30, 2007, 12:37 PM
I have Sprint iDEN .. its slower than smoke signals.
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nextel18

Mar 30, 2007, 12:59 PM
Switch over.
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en102

Mar 31, 2007, 1:40 PM
Corporate uses Nextel iDEN, Cingular and Sprint... in that order.
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nextel18

Apr 2, 2007, 5:23 AM
Nice. Switch!!!
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oftech

Mar 29, 2007, 3:49 PM
Jonathanlc2005 said:
plus the US government only uses sprint nextel,


That's not a bluntly wrong statement at all šŸ™„ The Federal Government gives out cell phones from almost every network, and the state and local governments all vary. Some government employees might have sprint-nextel phones paid for by the government, but you can't use that to say that the government only used sprint.
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 6:04 PM
Actually, that statement is true because the government issues contracts and until today, Sprint has been their sole provider.

Take a look at how many customers from the FBI and other agencies have Nextel/Sprint, you would want to take that statement back.
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gsmrulz

Mar 29, 2007, 6:28 PM
Explain to me when did the FBI become the only organization of the US government? I just witnessed my neighbor (who works for NATO & before you comment, yes, OUR side of NATO) purchase 25,000 blackberries w/AT&T as well as 5,500 aircards, also w/AT&T to be distributed among his department heads.(He also carries a Nextel phone, (kind of looks like he wears the "batman utility belt") The government is a "Business" in more ways than none, they will seek out the better deal and better service for individual needs. example: tha U.S. Army can have multiple contracts with multiple companies to fit ALL their needs.
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 6:33 PM
Not sure if you realize but there are, actually GSA accounts/contracts that are given to companies on the basis of how they bid for it, and Sprint/Nextel have been the sole provider, up until now, to those accounts. I do not understand what you do not get, it is quite simple.
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RUFF1415

Mar 29, 2007, 7:47 PM
nextel18 said:
Not sure if you realize but there are, actually GSA accounts/contracts that are given to companies on the basis of how they bid for it, and Sprint/Nextel have been the sole provider, up until now, to those accounts. I do not understand what you do not get, it is quite simple.

A distinct advantageā€”our unmatched record of service, Cingular's Proven Expertise

Cingular serves tens of thousands of government users in over 1,200 agencies, many of which have been using Cingular government solutions for years.

Not sure if you realize it, but you're wrong.

http://business.cingular.com/businesscenter/business ... »
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muchdrama

Mar 31, 2007, 2:06 AM
RUFF1415 said:
nextel18 said:
Not sure if you realize but there are, actually GSA accounts/contracts that are given to companies on the basis of how they bid for it, and Sprint/Nextel have been the sole provider, up until now, to those accounts. I do not understand what you do not get, it is quite simple.

A distinct advantageā€”our unmatched record of service, Cingular's Proven Expertise

Cingular serves tens of thousands of government users in over 1,200 agencies, many of which have been using Cingular government solutions for years.

Not sure if you realize it, but you're wrong.

http://business.cingular.com/businesscenter/business ... »
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oftech

Mar 29, 2007, 7:23 PM
nextel18 said:
Actually, that statement is true because the government issues contracts and until today, Sprint has been their sole provider.

Take a look at how many customers from the FBI and other agencies have Nextel/Sprint, you would want to take that statement back.


The government does issue contracts, but not for everything. I'll break it down to federal government employees I know
U.S. Congress: (Employees in Washington D.C.) Verizon Cell phone & a Cingular Blackberry .. (Employees in my home town): Cingular phone and Cingular blackberry
F.B.I.: Cingular cell phone and Cingular Blackberry
Dpt. of Justice (Non-FBI): Cingular cell phone
Dept. of Interior: Cingular Cell phone
Attorney General:...
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 7:35 PM
"Sprint, meanwhile, has worked under the Networx program for 18 years and argues it has the closest relationship with the various federal agencies. "

"The GSA's Networx Universal program will give the winning companies a 10-year contract to provide telecommunications and networking services such as voice, video and data to all federal agencies. Under the previous contract, Sprint and MCI Inc., which was acquired by Verizon, provided services to the government."

I probably should not have said the government is solely the user on Sprint network but it is more than the majority.
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oftech

Mar 29, 2007, 7:38 PM
Since you brought in Networx, not sure where that information on Sprint is, but:

"AT&T Government Solutions, a business unit of AT&T, Inc. (NYSE: T), has been awarded a Networx Universal contract by the U.S. General Services Administration (GSA). The Networx Universal contract is an Indefinite Delivery ā€” Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract with a potential value of $20 billion over the next 10 years and allows AT&T to provide a full range of network and communications services to federal government agencies."

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news ... »
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 7:44 PM
Yes, but previously to that order, Sprint has been the forefront when it comes to GSA contracts, until now. They do have an opportunity to get the 2nd round of contracts but lost the recent one. I can tell you that Sprint as well as when Nextel was a separate entity they are the majority of what the government uses.
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RUFF1415

Mar 29, 2007, 7:54 PM
nextel18 said:
Yes, but previously to that order, Sprint has been the forefront when it comes to GSA contracts, until now. They do have an opportunity to get the 2nd round of contracts but lost the recent one. I can tell you that Sprint as well as when Nextel was a separate entity they are the majority of what the government uses.

Totally untrue.
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muchdrama

Mar 31, 2007, 2:06 AM
RUFF1415 said:
nextel18 said:
Yes, but previously to that order, Sprint has been the forefront when it comes to GSA contracts, until now. They do have an opportunity to get the 2nd round of contracts but lost the recent one. I can tell you that Sprint as well as when Nextel was a separate entity they are the majority of what the government uses.

Totally untrue.


Well, that's not surprising. The great thing is, all the new kids don't know Nextel18 is full of crap.
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bojmir

Mar 30, 2007, 2:09 PM
Jonathanlc2005 said:
plus the US government only uses sprint nextel, so cingular isnt going to have all its glory with its HSPA.


http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/03/30/sprint-lose ... »

Im sorry what were you saying sir?
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algorithmplus

Mar 30, 2007, 8:35 PM
bojmir said:
Jonathanlc2005 said:
plus the US government only uses sprint nextel, so cingular isnt going to have all its glory with its HSPA.


http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/03/30/sprint-lose ... »

Im sorry what were you saying sir?


Maybe someone will say it's "pocket change" to Sprint and they can afford to lose $20 billion contracts every week for years to come.
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nuckingfuts

Mar 31, 2007, 2:20 PM
SPRINT SUCKS!
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muchdrama

Mar 29, 2007, 4:04 PM
jjgreene said:
and next year will have HSPA+ which will yield 28 down and 11 up......


Oh, I'm quite sure we won't see those kinds of speeds next year.
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KingJohn405

Mar 29, 2007, 4:58 PM
muchdrama said:
jjgreene said:
and next year will have HSPA+ which will yield 28 down and 11 up......


Oh, I'm quite sure we won't see those kinds of speeds next year.

haha yeah,you said it muchdrama! i dont think GSM will have that kind of speed, maybe just maybe in a couple of years...now remember i said maybe it might happen, but dont kid yourself too hard jjgreene. Its taking so so long for GSM to get 3G so i dont think it will happen for another long long time.
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 6:02 PM
The speed is real, but there has to be ideal spectrum efficiency as well as with coverage and capacity. I doubt Cingular would want to put most of their spectrum with HSDPA/HSUPA. See many people do not realize that the quotes that these high speed data can achieve are theoretical based on short term ideal conditions. Real world is quite different.
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muchdrama

Mar 31, 2007, 2:03 AM
nextel18 said:
The speed is real, but there has to be ideal spectrum efficiency as well as with coverage and capacity. I doubt Cingular would want to put most of their spectrum with HSDPA/HSUPA. See many people do not realize that the quotes that these high speed data can achieve are theoretical based on short term ideal conditions. Real world is quite different.


Right. The planets have to line up to see these "theoretical" speeds.
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jjgreene

Mar 29, 2007, 7:04 PM
1. GSM has had 3G for a while, just not here in the U.S.

2. Cingular has become a lot more agressive with its 3G network.

3. Analog TDMA will be completely shut down this year or early next, freeing up a lot of spectrum.....

might not reach those peak speeds, but i'm sure we'll be impressed.
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 7:39 PM
No those HSDPA/HSUPA speeds wonā€™t be reached based on the spectrum that Cingular has especially since they wonā€™t be using the majority of their bandwidth for the data, unless they feel that it is more efficient. Remember, if the user uses a heavy amount of data per month, Cingularā€™s costs will skyrocket when it comes to cost/bit.
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RUFF1415

Mar 29, 2007, 7:49 PM
HSPA data solutions are actually much more cost efficient than GSM voice and EDGE data service. With HSPA+ widely available (as it will be after the TDMA spectrum is freed up) the VoIP solution will drive Cingular's costs way down.
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algorithmplus

Mar 30, 2007, 8:38 PM
Also, I recall reading that Verizon and Sprint want to migrate exclusively to VoIP solutions for voice communications.
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 6:21 PM
Unfortunately, those speeds will not be ideal but it is closer that Wimax might because of Sprintā€™s spectrum efficiency. They have more than 90 MHz just on that MMDS spectrum which is more than enough to have the 70DL and 70 UL. Cingular will not be putting the majority of their 1.9 to obtain those speeds. Sprint has a huge edge in this situation.
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jjgreene

Mar 29, 2007, 7:05 PM
you forget that cingular is dropping it's TDMA network for good soon, freeing up a lot of spectrum....
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nextel18

Mar 29, 2007, 7:30 PM
It is not enough, especially to come close to the speeds that are theoretical. If you take a look at the spectrum size alone of what Sprint has in the MMDS spectrum it is ample enough spectrum to fully take advantage of those theoretical speeds as well as cost/bit decreases, while Cingular will have some difficulty optimizing those theoretical speeds.
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RUFF1415

Mar 29, 2007, 7:52 PM
Cingular is at the spectrum cap in most all markets nationwide. After TDMA is shut down (which is a spectrum hog of it's own) they'll have more than enough spectrum to attain extremely high speeds.
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Versed

Mar 30, 2007, 3:08 PM
I saw a rather funny cingular commerical touting it has far more compatable 3g networks for laptop cards then sprint. which is very true, seeing outside of NA, and a few asians nations, a sprint laptop card makes a rather medicore beer canister.
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algorithmplus

Mar 30, 2007, 8:41 PM
Versed said:
I saw a rather funny cingular commerical touting it has far more compatable 3g networks for laptop cards then sprint. which is very true, seeing outside of NA, and a few asians nations, a sprint laptop card makes a rather medicore beer canister.


Even in most parts of the U.S., Sprint's data cards only make mediocre beer coaster or paper weights.
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en102

Mar 30, 2007, 4:03 PM
A 5MHz paired (10 MHz) channel is capable of 14.4Mbps on UTMS. Currently, devices have only been released for up to 7.2Mbps. It doesn't require any more spectrum to obtain higher speeds unless they are working on a MIMO deployment, which is more like EVDO rev C.
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nextel18

Mar 31, 2007, 6:21 AM
Yea that is correct, but those theoretical speeds will never be obtained.
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en102

Mar 31, 2007, 1:44 PM
No carrier receives end to end theoretical at the IP layer.
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nextel18

Apr 2, 2007, 5:16 AM
That was my point.
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algorithmplus

Mar 30, 2007, 8:39 PM
Also, wasn't there just an AWE spectrum auction which sent more "airtime" to the carriers?
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nextel18

Mar 31, 2007, 6:13 AM
AWS, but it wasnā€™t airtime I guess per say it was spectrum. Still there are clearing in effect but it isnā€™t enough still to get those theoretical speeds that HSDPA/HSUPA are saying.
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sprint_guy

Mar 31, 2007, 9:59 AM
heres the point being,sprint owns all in data plain and simple. it just does,its fast and cheap. and cdma isnt losing to gsm,gsm is only popular because its global,global doesnt equal better. maybe in time,the other carriers will be able to keep up with sprint in data,but for now,they cant!
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Jonathanlc2005

Mar 31, 2007, 11:07 PM
cheers šŸ˜‰
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nextel18

Apr 2, 2007, 5:26 AM
Very true.
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tim h

Apr 5, 2007, 4:33 PM
6 months ago AT&T/Cingular made a 5 billion dollar investment/purchase of enough spectrum that in case they need it they have it.
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nextel18

Apr 5, 2007, 4:58 PM
I know, but it isnā€™t enough to hit those theoretical numbers.
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