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bad idea for alltel

ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 6:21 PM
in all reality sprint has one of the highest churn rates. for alltel to sell to them would be a bad decision on their part, 90% of verizons new activations are old sprint customers .trust me on this one. if alltel wants to stay afloat in this industry theyll think befor they sell. thats not being mean just realistic. 😳
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 6:47 PM
ckverizon1 said:
90% of verizons new activations are old sprint customers .



and 85% of all statistics quoted are made up on the spot...


moron πŸ™„
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 6:51 PM
No actually ,when you work for the company you are expected to know the statistics.
moron πŸ™„
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 6:54 PM
omg... did you REALLY just say that?

90% of all vzw's new add are churn from Sprint? i'm pretty sure we(sprint) would need a 98% church rate to supply vzw with those kinds of numbers...

i'm glad you clarified that for me. and to think that i thought all vzw reps were idiots.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 6:59 PM
and to think no wonder why sprint has one of the most horrific customer service ratings.not to add the network, And to imagine, how is it that more then half of the customers weekly that come in MY store (can not speak for other areas) are from sprint.....hmmmmmmm. i couldnt imagine why..... can you???? think befor speaking..
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:13 PM
wow. you must work ALOT to know that half of ALL your stores customers are coming from Sprint. on the same note.. i'd say a good portion of OUR(i also don't know about other areas) new adds are coming from vzw. rarely do i ever hear a good thing about vzw's cust care. but, i'll grudgingly admit that it does happen.... sometimes.

btw... 4th quarter churn for sprint was pretty high.. but not the 98% that your assuming... 2.3% is the actual number. which is actually down from 3rd quarters 2.4%... which would indicate that Sprint is improving.

also, though not as high of a number as vzw or cingular, sprint now boasts 53.1 million customers... not the meager 32 million that someone else quoted in a previous post somewhere here.

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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:26 PM
"while vzw is seemingly sitting on it's hands."

Yes, you go ahead and keep thinking that. Don't be so naive to think that VZW isn't planning something behind the curtain.
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skyjet15

Mar 5, 2007, 7:31 PM
first one with mobile tv? VZW is def thinking about the future. Quick question though, how exactly would vzw benfit from acquiring alltel? Just and increase in numbers and service area? would it really affect anyone living in a vzw-covered city?
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:39 PM
skyjet15 said:
first one with mobile tv?


huh? mobi-tv was available on the Sanyo 8300 almost 2 years ago... that's streaming live tv. since then, we have moved to EVDO, and ALL(save our windoze mobile devices) of our top end handsets have included access to Sprint TV(which has a number of live channels available) for over a year now.

unless i'm mistaken, vzw JUST rolled out mobile tv... last month ago? this month?
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:42 PM
Yes, but EV-DO run live TV sucks... I have seen it. It is laggy and slow, the MedioFlo run network that VZW will provide by far THE best mobile tv option out there.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:47 PM
but... not the first.

also, it depends heavily on the phone that your viewing it on. treo's are laggy. RAZR's are not. Sanyo 8400's are not. M-500's are not. M-610's are not.
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:49 PM
Still, if you read Current Analysis (100% independent and non biased) they rave over MedioFLO's tv network and say what Spring offers in comparison is not close in quality at all. But yes, Sprint was first, fwiw.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:56 PM
yea... i don't really like those 'independant' companies. look at the stats that cingy always uses about the dropped call rates. one test in something like 5 or 10 cities, mostly on the west coast?

i prefer local experience.
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lancekalzas

Mar 5, 2007, 9:32 PM
Look at the bickering.....
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RUFF1415

Mar 5, 2007, 11:48 PM
It was actually the top 81 markets and over 180,000 miles of roads and highways in between that Cingular's fewest dropped call claim is based on.
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elgee02

Mar 6, 2007, 1:14 AM
No, no it wasn't. Only ONE market did Cingular have the fewest dropped calles but of course that gets left out of their commercials.
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RUFF1415

Mar 6, 2007, 3:53 PM
Okay, then. Continue to pull "facts" out of your ass. It's definitely working for you! πŸ™„
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TradeMark_310

Mar 7, 2007, 6:42 PM
Yeah, and RUFF has a GREAT track record of reporting nothing but facts...
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RUFF1415

Mar 7, 2007, 9:21 PM
Excuse me? Please, go ahead and show everybody where I have ever pulled facts out of nowhere. I'd love to see it myself. 😳
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monkeyracer

Mar 8, 2007, 5:27 PM
Dude, If I were a large wireless carrier with less than stellar call quality (not dropped call, quality of audio signal) i might start a small "independent" research company to test networks with out bias (but since their paycheck comes from my company, there is bias) and have them report that my company has the lowest dropped calls.

Every company claims they have the lowest dropped calls. It's something that in politics is called spinning information. A president that is adulterous is considered exalted by the way his staff spun the info.
Independent studies are not really that unbiased. Test it for yourself.
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RUFF1415

Mar 8, 2007, 9:04 PM
1. Telephia has been around before the time of Cingular, testing all the national carriers on a nationwide basis. Cingular didn't create Telephia.
2. Verizon's "Most Reliable Network" claims are based on their OWN internal drive-testing, not any third-party tests. Now talk to me about being unbiased.
3. Why is it that there HAS TO BE a conspiracy theory behind Cingular's claim, yet you'll swallow other company's claims like candy?
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Frady

Mar 8, 2007, 12:54 PM
Actually the boston glade did a whole article last year that showed the supposed fewest dropped calls survey was only done in San Fransisco.
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RUFF1415

Mar 8, 2007, 3:25 PM
Frady said:
Actually the boston glade did a whole article last year that showed the supposed fewest dropped calls survey was only done in San Fransisco.

Please post the article then. You're insane if you believe Cingular can get away with a "nationwide" claim based in one city. Telephia released (against it's will) details of the testing that stated Cingular was the top performer in drop call statistics in several key markets across the nation. They also disclosed that Cingular had a significantly lower dropped call rate among all national carriers.

Post this article and then I'll post mine.
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monkeyracer

Mar 8, 2007, 5:32 PM
I don't have the article, but if telephia tested denver, san fran, miami, and new york, this would show a wide array of national coverage, but not a good representation of actual nationwide coverage.

If I owned a sheep farm, i could take the 5 most wool producing sheep, and weigh the wool and claim that all 200 of my sheep produce that much wool. This is called selective representation.

Some devices are defective and skew a person's opinion on dropped calls, geographical obstacles can affect them too.
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Frady

Mar 9, 2007, 12:40 PM
Here is a link to the article from the boston globe that they posted on the cingular claim to fewest dropped calls.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/04/23/t ... »
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RUFF1415

Mar 9, 2007, 4:12 PM
Not once does that article say that the testing was only done in San Fransisco. It refers to Telephia as "Telephia of San Fransisco" referencing where that company is based...but in no was is their drivetesting limited to that city.

Maybe you should take the time to reread that article. It supports none of what you've said thus far.
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muchdrama

Mar 9, 2007, 4:09 PM
RUFF1415 said:
Frady said:
Actually the boston glade did a whole article last year that showed the supposed fewest dropped calls survey was only done in San Fransisco.

Please post the article then. You're insane if you believe Cingular can get away with a "nationwide" claim based in one city. Telephia released (against it's will) details of the testing that stated Cingular was the top performer in drop call statistics in several key markets across the nation. They also disclosed that Cingular had a significantly lower dropped call rate among all national carriers.

Post this article and then I'll post mine.


There were some interesting tidbits in Frady's li...
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RUFF1415

Mar 9, 2007, 4:14 PM
muchdrama said:
RUFF1415 said:
Frady said:
Actually the boston glade did a whole article last year that showed the supposed fewest dropped calls survey was only done in San Fransisco.

Please post the article then. You're insane if you believe Cingular can get away with a "nationwide" claim based in one city. Telephia released (against it's will) details of the testing that stated Cingular was the top performer in drop call statistics in several key markets across the nation. They also disclosed that Cingular had a significantly lower dropped call rate among all national carriers.

Post this article and then I'll post mine.


There were so
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Frady

Mar 10, 2007, 9:26 AM
Ruff you are right that this article does not state the testing was only done in San Fransisco only and i can no longer find an article that shows it so on this instance you are correct. The article does show though that cingular does not have the fewest dropped calls.
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RUFF1415

Mar 10, 2007, 5:01 PM
Frady said:
Ruff you are right that this article does not state the testing was only done in San Fransisco only and i can no longer find an article that shows it so on this instance you are correct. The article does show though that cingular does not have the fewest dropped calls.

How so? I can't find anywhere in the article that the fewest dropped calls claim was disproved.

That article attempted to shoot down every reliability claim made by each Cingular, Verizon and Sprint...yet had absolutely no factual information to do so.
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StoreLead

Mar 6, 2007, 1:12 PM
not to mention that sprint has taken cingulairs claim to fame...


* Sprint Nextel’s CDMA network recently earned top honors for the fewest dropped calls among all national wireless carriers, according to a noted third party study.



straight from Gary Forsee. πŸ˜‰
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RUFF1415

Mar 6, 2007, 3:57 PM
Link please? Yeah, and so has T-Mobile with yet another third party study.

Telephia's study is currently the largest drive-testing study of wireless networks in the country, however. I don't know much about Sprint's claim seeing as it's so new, but I doubt that it compares to the number of markets and miles Telephia tests.
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muchdrama

Mar 6, 2007, 4:54 PM
RUFF1415 said:
Link please? Yeah, and so has T-Mobile with yet another third party study.

Telephia's study is currently the largest drive-testing study of wireless networks in the country, however. I don't know much about Sprint's claim seeing as it's so new, but I doubt that it compares to the number of markets and miles Telephia tests.


What it boils down to is that EVERY carrier's network has the least amount of dropped calls.
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RUFF1415

Mar 6, 2007, 10:02 PM
muchdrama said:
RUFF1415 said:
Link please? Yeah, and so has T-Mobile with yet another third party study.

Telephia's study is currently the largest drive-testing study of wireless networks in the country, however. I don't know much about Sprint's claim seeing as it's so new, but I doubt that it compares to the number of markets and miles Telephia tests.


What it boils down to is that EVERY carrier's network has the least amount of dropped calls.

Pretty much. In a way, it's true when you're considering the fact that the statistic will change between each and every market. But a "nationwide" claim...who knows?
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muchdrama

Mar 7, 2007, 3:38 PM
RUFF1415 said:
muchdrama said:
RUFF1415 said:
Link please? Yeah, and so has T-Mobile with yet another third party study.

Telephia's study is currently the largest drive-testing study of wireless networks in the country, however. I don't know much about Sprint's claim seeing as it's so new, but I doubt that it compares to the number of markets and miles Telephia tests.


What it boils down to is that EVERY carrier's network has the least amount of dropped calls.

Pretty much. In a way, it's true when you're considering the fact that the statistic will change between each and every market. But a "nationwide" claim...who knows?


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TradeMark_310

Mar 7, 2007, 6:59 PM
To be fair, T-Mobile is simply using the same study Cingular used, and is only claiming "least drop calls" in select markets. The study DID show that Cingular had the least dropped calls overall, but even T-Mobile seems to understand that it's subjective, and only seem to be running the adds to throw the research back in Cingular's face. As far as Sprint/Nextel, their claim is based on calls AND data, so when those two are considered, Sprint/Nextel is the "strongest", but they do drop more calls then other providers in Los Angeles (the only market I know)...
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jcoberg10

Mar 7, 2007, 7:32 PM
sprints is based on calling back a nubmer with in 2 minutes of disconnecting with that number. this has nothing to do with droped calls. maybe if it was 30secs to 1 min but 2 minutes who waits to minutes to call back. problem with cingulars test is they don't count all disconects as dropped calls. if you go into a no service area and loose signal it's not a drop. if you are switching towers and lose signal it's not a drop. it's a technicallity.
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muchdrama

Mar 9, 2007, 4:01 PM
TradeMark_310 said:
To be fair, T-Mobile is simply using the same study Cingular used, and is only claiming "least drop calls" in select markets. The study DID show that Cingular had the least dropped calls overall, but even T-Mobile seems to understand that it's subjective, and only seem to be running the adds to throw the research back in Cingular's face. As far as Sprint/Nextel, their claim is based on calls AND data, so when those two are considered, Sprint/Nextel is the "strongest", but they do drop more calls then other providers in Los Angeles (the only market I know)...


Fact is, you pick what works best where you live.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:31 PM
i thought that the word 'seemingly' would give enough room for that. i've heard enough rumors to be confident that vzw is working on something behind the curtain. but at any rate, sprint will get there first.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:37 PM
Now hang on 80% of statistics are made up on the spot....... 🀣 think of it this way verizon has things planned that the other carriers are un aware of and vice versa. so noone can assume anything. as my store deals with mainly ex sprinters. others may deal with tmobile or suncom. in the ratings from consumers sprint is fightiing for its place, that is well known ,although not to seem rude but verizon has been ranked #1 by jd. for the past five years. While Verizon puts more money in expansion of their network, and extra goodies every year( more then the other carriers)that is fact. i hate to be the one to bust the bubble but verizon is doing anything but sitting on their hands
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:44 PM
no... i copied and pasted that directly off of the 4th quarter earnings report bud.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:45 PM
OK THERE BUD
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:47 PM
wow! i'm so glad we're buddies now! my world feels more complete. πŸ™‚
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 8:43 PM
And another one bites the dust, just stole another customer...... sorry
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monkeyracer

Mar 8, 2007, 5:42 PM
I thought theft was illegal?

So basically, a customer came in because they went over their minutes or data usage on their sprint bill and couldn't take responsibility for themselves and decided to spend the $200 per line to cancel rather than just pay the $200 they went over by and learn not to use stuff they don't pay for. Because of this they think that Verizon will not do the same thing. Yet, give it a month or two, the VCAST that you slammed them with will stop being free, and they will come in with a high bill and regret that they switched.

Most customers that switch companies will do so because they don't understand something about thier current carrier. This applies to ALL carriers.
There are the VERY few that do so for the d...
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:31 PM
No dude, I work for VZW too and 90% of their new customers are NOT sprint's churn, not even close.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:43 PM
DOes noone read all the way through??? my store,,MY STORE, i dont own verizon and can not speak for every store!!MORE THEN HALF MY STORES CUSTOMERS HAVE LEFT SPRINT TO COME TO VERIZON. ONCE AGAIN MY STORE!!!
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:45 PM
but of course you didn't mention that in your origional post. see... this is why everyone believe that vzw's math sucks... none of vzw's reps seem to be very apt communicators.
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:47 PM
Don't let this guy speak for all VZW reps, and also don't believe for one minute that the other carriers don't have their share of idiot reps.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:48 PM
yep... it's true. i wont.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:47 PM
ONLY LIKE 5 MESSAGES AGO WHICH DOSENT SEEM TO HAVE ANY EFFECT IN THE UNDERSTANDING OF ITS MEANING, NOONE SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO READ TODAY. OPEN YOUR EYES
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:48 PM
.001 cents per kilobyte? what?
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:50 PM
Calm down dude, we got it now. A-OK, now chill.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:54 PM
please... don't ruin my fun. πŸ˜‰
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:46 PM
You're one store is hardly a bellwether for the company ok? At first you totally came off like you were speaking for VZW, then when called on it you said YOUR STORE. I happen to have mostly cingular ports at my store.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:50 PM
i agree. i get many, many vzw ports. it has to do with the area.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:53 PM
i agree it has alot to do with the area. in my area it is hard to find a provider that has good service, sprint and nextel have horriable signals here, alltel is ok but not great. verizon is ahead here.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 7:54 PM
you in the mid-west?
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:57 PM
south east, alot of vally areas, the closest towers are verizon, so hey thats why it works well.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 8:00 PM
hmm... our most heavily covered areas are on the east coast, and iDen has generally had the best coverage in the southeast. must be your area. i can't fault a custy for switching because of lack of coverage. i wont lie if we don't have coverage somewhere.. i'll send them to check with vzw, or cingy.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 8:03 PM
maybe on the coast but not my area, thats the only prob. for sprint here(my area) they dont have good service. but in major cities its better, but you are a smaller city
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 8:06 PM
i'm in the Portland Metro area.
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:58 PM
From all the comments I hear out here in the ever growing sunny and warm PHX metro is that cingy cannot keep up with the constant expansion at all. So all these out of state cingy customers move here in some new house on the outskirts of town, dont get service worth a damn, then port to VZW. I've heard that complaint from a few sprint and t-mobile customers too, but mostly cingy.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:51 PM
IS THAT NOT WHAT I SAID?? YOU MUST BE AT A SERVICE CENTER, ONCE AGAIN I CANT SPEAK FOR YOU STORE. I WAS SPEAKING FOR MINE.
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 7:55 PM
Here is your very first post in the subject:

"n all reality sprint has one of the highest churn rates. for alltel to sell to them would be a bad decision on their part, 90% of verizons new activations are old sprint customers .trust me on this one. if alltel wants to stay afloat in this industry theyll think befor they sell. thats not being mean just realistic."

You say NOTHING about YOUR STORE here, so of course we are to assume you mean VZW as a whole. It wasn't until your SEEMINGLY ridiculous claim was called out that you then clarified you mean YOUR STORE, ok?

And why the hell would I be speaking from a service center? I just said most of the ports at my STORE (key word there) are from cingular.
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 7:59 PM
wow....service center as in a corporate store. i appologize for the miss communication. wasnt aware that so many peoples lives were revolved around cell phones.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 8:01 PM
.001 cents per kilobyte? huh?
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 8:11 PM
well.. that one was a bust. πŸ˜• 🀭
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 8:03 PM
So you equate us calling you out something you said that sounded ridiculous because you left out that you meant YOUR STORE as having our lives revolve around cell phones? Seriously man, how does your thought process work?

And also... they must have some vastly different terminology in the South Area cause here I would never hear anyone refer to a store as a "service center".
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 8:04 PM
you are out west right???
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 8:05 PM
West area representin'
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 8:06 PM
see and we wouldnt say reresentin' go figure. different parts of the country, i can only imagine
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 8:07 PM
We're cooler out west, that must be it 😎
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 8:08 PM
to much sun, not good for you πŸ™‚
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elgee02

Mar 5, 2007, 8:10 PM
That's right, we also have better tans too πŸ˜›
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 8:12 PM
its ok we have alot of cancer in a box salons here, but its also the south so the suns here too. 😎
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monkeyracer

Mar 8, 2007, 6:01 PM
Doesn't the sun shine everywhere? (except there, and nobody needs to see that, let alone talk out of that location)

This has gotten so far off topic that pluto is no longer considered a planet.
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 8:11 PM
not where i'm from! 😲
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ckverizon1

Mar 5, 2007, 8:13 PM
no sun??
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StoreLead

Mar 5, 2007, 9:42 PM
it's southwest washington... all rain. ☹️
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monkeyracer

Mar 8, 2007, 5:45 PM
uh, were you trying to yell? or did you accidentally leave the caps lock on?
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ckverizon1

Mar 8, 2007, 8:13 PM
nope trying to get a point across, πŸ‘€
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