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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 3:33 PM
its still limited to 10gb a month, not worth it
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loujacob

Feb 13, 2007, 4:35 PM
What? Please explain...I'm always so suspicious of VZW....there's always a catch or more costs...
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 6:18 PM
verizon unlimited internet pricing is not actully unlimited and there was multiple letters sent out to people that used over 5-10gb of data a month.

your also not aloud to do:
voip
streaming
peer to peer downloads
gaming
download music
running a server.
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so thats why sprint is best on data. cingular and verizons set rules on data is harsh and is a reality. voice is only important to cigular and verizon where sprint lacks at supposidly by other users. i like sprint all around
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loujacob

Feb 13, 2007, 6:44 PM
Thanks for this info! My contract is up in a month and I'm shopping around. I agree, for a data heavy user, despite V's evdo network, it seems almost any other carrier makes more sense. Here NY, the voice coverage seems the best...and you pay for it! But I'm shopping now and, at the very least, working on gaining leverage to get a sweeter deal from V...or leave. Thanks again. Any further thoughts always welcome.
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 8:11 PM
think about this for a second... sprint roams on verizon towers to, voice and data. so look into sprint and let me know how it turns out.

roaming is free and data is unlimited.
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RShACkSUX

Feb 13, 2007, 8:19 PM
Jonathanlc2005 said:
sprint roams on verizon towers to, voice and data. so look into sprint and let me know how it turns out.

roaming is free and data is unlimited.


Everyone seems to be thinking that by having free roaming, you're getting all of Verizon's towers as well as Sprint's towers all the time and when Sprint has an overloaded or crappy tower in one area, that Verizon is going to come running to the Sprint customer's rescue. This is NOT THE CASE.

You get free roaming yes, but only in an area that you do not get Sprint coverage. If you live in NYC, and Sprint is all over there, but they always drop calls or always have static when you call, Verizon is doing nothing to help and never will. Same...
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LordObento

Feb 13, 2007, 8:28 PM
People have been know to set the phone to roam or eliminate their PRL so they can use whoever's towers they want.
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 9:42 PM
your wrong... force it to roaming on sprint

cant with verizon

and no extra charges and have had people tell me that.

ive used my phone on verizon many time where sprint is at too. no charges on voice nor teathering. want to test this? buy a sprint phone and keep it on verizon for a whole month. watch NOTHING happen
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tc1uscg

Feb 13, 2007, 9:54 PM
Agree. However, I've been where Sprint's EVDO worked and Verizon didn't, so wonder who was riding who's back? ๐Ÿ˜ฒ
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babydoc

Feb 14, 2007, 12:36 PM
Just want add some clarification.

There is no EVDO roaming between Sprint and VZW. There is voice and 1X MIP roaming only.
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LordObento

Feb 14, 2007, 1:37 AM
http://consumerist.com/consumer/sprint/sprint-will-c ... »

Sprint will cancel the accounts of CDMA customers who "excessively" use roaming, starting March 15, 2007, according to a company document provided by an internal Sprint source.

Starting February 26, 2007, CDMA customers who roamed more than 50% during either November and December, or December and January (we're not quite sure which, sorry!) will receive a mailed notice that their service will be canceled.

Graciously, Sprint won't charge these customers an early termination fee.

For some customers, the cancellation will come as welcome release from Sprint. For others, it will be an annoyance and inconvenience.

So what o...
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ultima

Feb 14, 2007, 10:57 AM
This is just as Cingular has done for people who roam too much.

Maybe this will help some people here get some a clue, but I doubt it.

People don't understand why businesses do the things they do. Sure most corporations are greedy, but nobody in their right mind will say that they can expect a company to be OK with losing money hand over fist. After all that sort of things ends up like Enron...

Sure Verizon does offer "unlimited" data but their main concern is to keep network performance and reliability up to their standards to maintain and grow their business customer base. Their EVDO network does NOT exsist for Joe Smith to tether his PDA to his desktop computer and fire up 50GB of bit torrent movie downloads, or mp3s, or watch hi...
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RShACkSUX

Feb 13, 2007, 8:26 PM
loujacob said:
But I'm shopping now and, at the very least, working on gaining leverage to get a sweeter deal from V...or leave.


Might as well pack your bags and leave now, Verizon doesn't budge at all on anything. You'll never gain leverage to get a better deal from Verizon. Ever. They would rather you walk, seriously.
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HEKNOWS

Feb 13, 2007, 11:54 PM
you must be on drugs man verizon its the best and when the sht hit the fan yall will see sprint; are you kidding me i will chose tmobile b4 sprint had then for 4 years ewwwwwwww i will never go back sorri vzw always and vzw its one the company the really care about they cust a least they try and you looking 4at sweet deal hmmm like mencia will said deee deeee ๐Ÿคฃ
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ultima

Feb 14, 2007, 10:59 AM
RShACkSUX said:
loujacob said:
But I'm shopping now and, at the very least, working on gaining leverage to get a sweeter deal from V...or leave.


Might as well pack your bags and leave now, Verizon doesn't budge at all on anything. You'll never gain leverage to get a better deal from Verizon. Ever. They would rather you walk, seriously.


QFT.
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Bigbmc26

Feb 13, 2007, 7:06 PM
Jonathanlc2005 said:
cingular and verizons set rules on data is harsh and is a reality. voice is only important to cigular and verizon where sprint lacks at supposidly by other users. i like sprint all around


please explain your cingular comment. I stream, download music, game, etc. Well over 10GB a month. Never got a letter or know anyone that got one, and i work for cingular. ๐Ÿคจ
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 8:16 PM
PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS, TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS; (III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR TO TRANSMISSION; (V) USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES OR OTHER PARTIES' INTERN...
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 8:25 PM
UNLIMITED DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, incl...
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 8:35 PM
http://www.sprint.com/legal/agreement.html »

59.99 for 2 years with evdo rev a and data roaming

79.99 for 2 years with rev a on verizon

79.99 for 2 years on broadband connect from cingualr

so which is cheaper?
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Bigbmc26

Feb 13, 2007, 9:08 PM
cingular's is $59.99 as long as you have a voice line. ๐Ÿ˜

http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phon ... »
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 10:20 PM
didnt see that... thanks
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mezzedup

Feb 13, 2007, 10:36 PM
Verizon's is also $59.99 with a voice plan.
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 10:37 PM
didnt see that thanks i was trying to play fair and looked all over but couldnt find it
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babydoc

Feb 13, 2007, 9:36 PM
OK gentlemen, please read Sprints terms and conditions from the following link:

http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popups/popLegalTerms ... »

Look at the second PCS Vision paragraph. It essentially describes the same limitations as AT&T and VZW. Just like Sprint to bury this information under their phone plans page and mislead you with some crap on their home page.

You have to understand that none of the wireless carriers data networks are designed to handle constant data streams. Their base stations would quickly max out their carrier bandwidth with any significant number of subs streaming data off the same cell site.

To my knowledge very few peoples access are ever shut down due to abuse. You can get away with streaming as l...
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 10:22 PM
feel free to do a search at sprintusers.com and see if anyone ever got charges for sprint vs verizon
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babydoc

Feb 14, 2007, 7:35 AM
Hmmm...sprintusers.com. Doesn't sound like a very objective forum to be referencing when trying to cite facts.

Also...don't confuse ineptitude with permission. It is no easy task to identify data subscribers that are abusing the terms and conditions. My take is Sprint may not be shutting accounts down yet (if they aren't already) because they are not able to identify the abusers quickly enough. However, an interesting test would be for you and 5 of your friends to pick out the nearest Sprint base station in your neighborhood, meet there and start watching LOTR from your Slingbox on your mobile device. One of two things will happen. Your account will get shut down or that base station will start blocking other data sessions.
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 10:24 PM
Sprint PCS Vision Services: Services require a Sprint PCS Vision Phone or device and are not avai'l while roaming off the Sprint Nationwide PCS Network. Data usage is calculated on a per kilobyte basis and rounded up to the next whole kilobyte. Kilobyte usage will be rounded up to the next full cent. Rounding occurs at the end of each session or each clock hour and, at that time, we will deduct accumulated data usage from your plan, or assess overage or casual usage charges. You are responsible for all data activity from and to your phone/device, regardless of who initiates the activity. Estimates of data usage will vary from actual use. In certain instances, we may delete premium and non-premium items downloaded to avai'l storage areas (e.g...
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babydoc

Feb 14, 2007, 7:49 AM
Now, I'm no lawyer but I believe the second paragraph says it all. Except Sprint is trying to hide behind legaleze gobbuldy gook where AT&T and VZW spell it out.

PCS Vision not available where use is connection with:

1.) Server devices or host computer applications - Translation: no file servers, web servers etc....
2.) other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions - Translation: no streaming (e.g. slingbox, mobile TV, radio etc...)
3.) private lines or frame relay connections - Translation: cannot be used for VOIP phone traffic or as a dedicated IP connection between two services.
4.) connection kits, phone to computer accerories, bluetooth - Translation: thou shalt not use your phone as a modem, either tethere...
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 14, 2007, 2:12 PM
if your not a lawyer then dont make assumptions.

sprint tv is streaming so cant argue that
teathering is not aloud unless you have a Pam PLAN
is basically your summery
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HEKNOWS

Feb 14, 2007, 12:00 AM
thank you that what im saying its all about what carrier you like the most because its the same crap vzw sprint cingular etc....
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babydoc

Feb 14, 2007, 7:59 AM
Certain carriers are better in certain areas than others but it's this rampant misinformation that Sprint has this all powerfull data network and allows its subscribers free reign that sticks in my craw. It just ain't true. I'm not saying they suck by any stretch, but they're not head and shoulders above anyone else, as some would have you believe.

The numbers that Sprint/Nextel continues to put out to me are the best indication of where they stand with their subscribers. Highest churn, worst financials, lowest net subscriber adds. Oh...btw VZW had the highest data revenue of any carrier in 4Q06 yet their ARPU is not the highest of all the carriers. Hmmm...perhaps that means their network and data services are pretty decent afterall and ...
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HEKNOWS

Feb 13, 2007, 11:58 PM
its the same crap man here goes mencia again deee deee ๐Ÿคฃ
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HEKNOWS

Feb 13, 2007, 11:56 PM
damn you dumb boy you problably work for sprint ๐Ÿคฃ
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 14, 2007, 12:52 AM
radioshack to be accurate ๐Ÿคฃ
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Bigbmc26

Feb 13, 2007, 9:04 PM
Works just fine for me. Even better now that we launched HSDPA. No limitiations. Glad you like Sprint though, hope that works great for ya! ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 10:25 PM
it works awesome for me... i havent checked out hsdpa yet but would like to check out the updated one soon to see how that is
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Jayshmay

Feb 13, 2007, 8:16 PM
I haven't been under contrac w/Cingular for about 18 months, I'm definetly keeping an eye on Sprint/Nextel to see what they end up doing in supposedly "Late 2007" reguarding WiMax, see if it's TRUE broadband speeds.

Right now, I'm just doing a lot of monitoring the market, personally when it come to voice, I gotta say Cingular is the best bc of rollover, I just wish I can get more than 900 minutes for $60/mo!!!! More like 1200, or 1500!!!!
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 8:19 PM
rollover is very nice indeed...

whenever a customer comes to my store i have to find out if they are a spender or a saver...

savers are rollover
spenders are sprint 7pm or buy 6pm for 5$

equal sized networks with roaming included
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Jayshmay

Feb 13, 2007, 8:57 PM
Yeah, that 6pm stuff is very, very attractive, especially considering it's only 9pm back east where I'm from (Ct).
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babydoc

Feb 13, 2007, 9:47 PM
Gentlemen,

Please check my comments further down....there is a link to Sprints Terms & Conditions that clearly describes the same limitations to their PCS VISION network as AT&T and VZW.

Think....Sprint and VZW use the same network technology. Why would Spint be able to support unlimitted use on their network and VZW not. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see them do some unhealthy things due to their ongoing dismal business results.
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 10:19 PM
where do you see that?
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Jonathanlc2005

Feb 13, 2007, 10:28 PM
verizon is 800mhz so its limited in bandwith

sprint is 1900mhz and has more channels and bandwith so its able to allow unlimited.

using verizon its easier to drop someones call vs sprint
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babydoc

Feb 14, 2007, 8:17 AM
I'm sure you're intentions are good but trust me, your statement is again misleading.

The 800Mhz and 1900Mhz frequencies have the same capacity to carry calls when comparing like technology (CDMA to CDMA). The same is not true for CDMA to GSM (GSM uses a less efficent TDMA air interface). So to state that VZW drops calls more frequently because they use the 800Mhz frequency is just not true. In fact the propogation characteristics of the 800Mhz frequency lends itself better to covering larger surface areas and in building. PCS does not propogate well in building and so you will actually be more likely to drop a call with PCS when you enter a structure. PCS also requires more base stations to cover the same surface area. What PCS does do w...
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VerizonStud

Feb 15, 2007, 10:47 AM
I would rather my calls not to be dropped and greater clarity with the person on the other end, which is one of the reasons Verizon sets these limitations. Who's more important the phone user, or some perv doing some file (p2p)sharing of his favorite porn vids, or some "gamer" who is trying to hang out in a heavy bandwidth needed battlefield with 60 of his loser friends. And the lack of the ability to run a server??? Who in the hell would run a server off of an aircard?

Thanks Verizon, and keep up the good work!
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