Apple Delivers iPhone
Cingular exclusive partnership for years to come
From the transcript:
"Our partner is going to be Cingular, Jobs says, adding that it's the best and most popular network in the country with 58 million subscribers. Cingular is going to be Apple's exclusive partner in the U.S. "
"He says it's a multiyear exclusive partnership, only available with Cingular wireless services."
Hopefully Apple will release a Cingular WCDMA version in time for Christmas.
"Our partner is going to be Cingular, Jobs says, adding that it's the best and most popular network in the country with 58 million subscribers. Cingular is going to be Apple's exclusive partner in the U.S. "
"He says it's a multiyear exclusive partnership, only available with Cingular wireless services."
Hopefully Apple will release a Cingular WCDMA version in time for Christmas.
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Is there anything in that partnership that keeps Apple from releasing other iPhones? Ones that may not be Cing exclusives?
Cing prolly shelled out some $$$ for the exclusive (and/or promised tremendous advertising and store presence, preferential selling, etc.), but all exclusive deals come to an end. CDMA is the majority of the market in the US, and Cingular by itself is only one-quarter of the market, doesn't make sense long-term to sell to only 1/4 of the market.
But Cing will help insure iPhones early success by pimpin' the livin' hell out of it at launch and early on, which is prolly what Jobs wanted- security.
Cing prolly shelled out some $$$ for the exclusive (and/or promised tremendous advertising and store presence, preferential selling, etc.), but all exclusive deals come to an end. CDMA is the majority of the market in the US, and Cingular by itself is only one-quarter of the market, doesn't make sense long-term to sell to only 1/4 of the market.
But Cing will help insure iPhones early success by pimpin' the livin' hell out of it at launch and early on, which is prolly what Jobs wanted- security.
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They could have used T-mobile as well, but I think Cing shelled out some serious cash.
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sucks that they are only going with cingular. i guess the iphone will buzz when you put it next to your speakers ;-) and drop calls.
then again, apple hasn't in the past cared that much about selling to a limited audience. but i think i've lost some respect for Jobs since he said cingular is the best. they have some great advantages, but i personally thought the cellular service was horrible. staticy, dropped calls and that speaker buzz issue.
then again, apple hasn't in the past cared that much about selling to a limited audience. but i think i've lost some respect for Jobs since he said cingular is the best. they have some great advantages, but i personally thought the cellular service was horrible. staticy, dropped calls and that speaker buzz issue.
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Well they wanted a gsm provider, outside of the US/Canada and a few other places, CDMA is not used. too limited a market.
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Yeah they went GSM to be worldwide.
"Ships Stateside in June, Europe in fourth quarter, Asia in 2008."
"Ships Stateside in June, Europe in fourth quarter, Asia in 2008."
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ya im just gonna pray till june that their data plans will be exclusive for apple as well, something like what hiptop and t-mobile set up for the sidekicks, a straight $29 for unlimited data/texting/etc which is very convenient
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CDMA is the majority of the market and Cingy 1/4? Ummmm.......no. Better re-think that statement.
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jayinwny said:
CDMA is the majority of the market and Cingy 1/4? Ummmm.......no. Better re-think that statement.
Nope. Better re-read what I said instead... I said US market:
"CDMA is the majority of the market in the US, and Cingular by itself is only one-quarter of the market, doesn't make sense long-term to sell to only 1/4 of the market."
There's 229 million cellphone customers in the US:
229,916,355 Estimated Current US Wireless Subscribers http://www.ctia.org
Cingular has 58 million of them. Do the math, and that's 25%, or 1/4 of the US market. So, strike one on you.
And yeah, CDMA is the majority of the US market. We got Verizon, with 56 million customers. We have the Sprint po...
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Ok, okay, I see what you're sayin'... the Nextel (iDEN) folks haven't transitioned yet, so technically CDMA is only the #1 & most popular cellular technology in the US, they may be a bit shy of 50% marketshare yet, until the Nextel folks transition (current market is split between CDMA, GSM, iDEN, and TDMA).
You can call strike one on moi if ya like. Still, the point remains... its crazy to sell to only 1/4 of the US market long-term.
You can call strike one on moi if ya like. Still, the point remains... its crazy to sell to only 1/4 of the US market long-term.
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But 1/4 of the US market plus most of Canada, all of Europe, parts of Asia and parts of Central and South America beats CDMA/iDen in the US and CDMA phones from Asia don't work on US CDMA networks right away so the GSM marketshare world wide is dominent.
I'm sure it's as much to do with what verizon does to their phones and the phones features and the huge $$ cingular is paying Apple as is it about the technology though.
I'm sure it's as much to do with what verizon does to their phones and the phones features and the huge $$ cingular is paying Apple as is it about the technology though.
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Yeah, I understand why a GSM version had to be first. I'm just sayin' that as a US company, it'd be pretty silly for Apple to never offer their phone on CDMA, which is the most popular cellphone technology in the US.
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This device willl shift Cingular/ GSM MS through the roof!!! Everyone has an iPod and everyone will want this phone.
Lucas.
Lucas.
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karmavore said:
This device willl shift Cingular/ GSM MS through the roof!!! Everyone has an iPod and everyone will want this phone.
Yeah, iPhone will be a hit. But its not a mass-market phone- not at $499 or $599, plus a two-yr contract. The effect for Cing will be nice but limited.
Even Apple says its goal is only to capture 1% of the worldwide cellphone market. âšī¸
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SystemShock said:Smart man you are SystemShock đ
That it does. And I do own Apple stock, btw. đ
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did you ever stop to think this may lead vzw to strike up a deal with another large manu. of mp3 players. like Toshiba and the gigabeat.
or the fact that vzw douses their phones with their own proprietary software and an apple/vzw colab wouldnt work. or even the cost of the phone itself its a rarity i see vzw customers pay more than $250.00 for any given device at any given time. with the exception of a FEW phones.
or the fact that vzw douses their phones with their own proprietary software and an apple/vzw colab wouldnt work. or even the cost of the phone itself its a rarity i see vzw customers pay more than $250.00 for any given device at any given time. with the exception of a FEW phones.
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sowhatsowhat10 said:
did you ever stop to think this may lead vzw to strike up a deal with another large manu. of mp3 players. like Toshiba and the gigabeat.
Ugh. I can see it now... the ZunePhone, exclusively on Verizon. đŗ
Blaugh. Partnering with Microsoft is a poor second to partnering with Apple these days. âšī¸
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Hey SystemShock, you forgot T-Mobile. They are also GSM so GSM is more then 25% of the U.S. market. So get off the CDMA high horse.
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Cell-Vision said:
Hey SystemShock, you forgot T-Mobile. They are also GSM so GSM is more then 25% of the U.S. market. So get off the CDMA high horse.
That wasn't the issue. I said that Cingular is 25% of the US market, which they are.
I think everyone is aware of the existence of T-Mobile, and the fact that they are GSM. However, the existence of T-Mobile does not change the fact that CDMA is more popular in the US than GSM is currently.
So... what was it you were complaining about again? đŗ
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i somewhat agree with you shock. but you have to rememver apple/ipod and ALL of its products are a smash overseas where gsm is king. i see the deal lasting as long as if not longer than the razr.
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from CNN:
Cingular, a unit of AT&T (up $0.17 to $33.98, Charts), will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009.
Cingular, a unit of AT&T (up $0.17 to $33.98, Charts), will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009.
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Ugh... too bad. I ain't switchin' to Cingular, even for this phone. âšī¸
Either Apple comes out with other phone models that aren't exclusive, or I wait until a) iPhone comes on a really good network (aka not Cingular), or b) Cing's network finally improves to the point where I'm ok with them.
Either Apple comes out with other phone models that aren't exclusive, or I wait until a) iPhone comes on a really good network (aka not Cingular), or b) Cing's network finally improves to the point where I'm ok with them.
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I split time between LA and the SF-Oakland Bay Area. Cing has not impressed me in either locale. My brother has recently dumped Cing for VZW as well.
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