We on phonescoop might of been aware if this, BUT normal business or people that watch tv dont know any better. The point to selling is to say you have it..Not let others say they have it and not speak up. I know verizon has Rev A because I have a data card that doubled in speed but if they dont say that have it how would anyone know they offer it ?
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yea, your data card is Rev. 0 not Rev. A if you saw a jump it was not b/c of these upgrawdes
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We on phonescoop might of been aware if this, BUT normal business or people that watch tv dont know any better. The point to selling is to say you have it..Not let others say they have it and not speak up. I know verizon has Rev A because I have a data card that doubled in speed but if they dont say they have it how would anyone know they offer it ?
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Verizon
EVDO Terms of Service: Not allowed... Legal downloading or streaming music/movies/radio, VoIP, online games, webcams, among other things are "officially" not allowed. Verizon has sent letters to some users for TOS violation with specific dates mentioned for cancelling service. Their appears to be a soft limit of about 5GB-10GB/month, which is still quite a bit, but might trigger a cancellation notice
Sprint
EVDO Terms of Service: No specific restrictions other than unlawful abuse. Sprint actually promotes streaming video and online game use.
So once again verizon is a control freak company and IMO you shouldn't give them your money
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ok LL Cool Troll ๐คจ
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its ok you can lash out I know it hurts ๐คฃ
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LL Cool Jake said:
its ok you can lash out I know it hurts ๐คฃ
Well you would know, Sprint's coverage sucks so much, it hurts! ๐คฃ
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and thank you njcellfreak for welcoming us into the 4th grade.
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are you freaking kidding me?? we run the same freaking platform as vzw does, we have a larger footprint of company owned coverage, and where vzw has coverage that sprint doesn't... we roam off your towers!
how can you say sprint's coverage sucks, when it's practically the same as vzw, and technically larger???
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Storelead just proves that forums like these are full of crap. You don't know jack about verizon's network so why don't you keep quiet and save yourself the embarrasment. LOL sprint roams off of verizon? YEAH RIGHT hahahaha
Verizon and sprint run on the same technology but we are on different frequency spectrums. They have a different block of PCS spectrum than we do. We'd have to allow eachother to transmit and recieve on the same band.
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Look, I'm not one to argue, but Sprint does roam off VZW, as well as Alltel, and a few other regional carriers. Possibly... and keep in mind I'm no expert... you should not point out things if you are going to be wrong... and when I say wrong I mean factually, not theoretically. If your idiot statement were going to make any sense... you know what... nevermind... I dont want you to think too much and get a headache.
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dude... your an idiot.
tell me this. what mhz spectrum does vzw run on? tell that, and i'll tell you why your an idiot.
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Storelead just proves that forums like these are full of crap. You don't know jack about verizon's network so why don't you keep quiet and save yourself the embarrassment. LOL sprint roams off of verizon? YEAH RIGHT hahahaha
Verizon and sprint run on the same technology but we are on different frequency spectrums. They have a different block of PCS spectrum than we do. We'd have to allow each other to transmit and receive on the same band.
๐ Your post just proves you know NOTHING about the industry you work in. Sprint roams on vzw towers. No question. You are right in that vzw uses a different frequency, 850mhz, Sprint uses 1900mhz, but thats why we have DUAL BAND phones. Dual ba...
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Has anyone seen or heard of any stories or verbage about Cingular's TOS on using their 3G network pc cards?
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F.Y.I to the guy who posted the message about vzw not allowing streaming video....... VZW likes to make money unlike Sprint(who had an absolutely terrible 3rd quarter) it looks like they make a lot of good decisions in Reston VA/Overland Park,KS....secondly...the only reason why Sprint said anything about Rev "A" in the first place is because they had a horrendous third quarter. They had to change the mindset of the consumers, and the media some how....one more thing..when VZW launches Rev "A" get ready for a scale launch...not a big media hype for one city in certain areas.....once again Sprint/Nextel is one step behind.
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EVDO Terms of Service: Not allowed... Legal downloading or streaming music/movies/radio, VoIP, online games, webcams, among other things are "officially" not allowed.
๐คฃ Not this kid! Enjoy ๐
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Right from the vzw website:
UNLIMITED DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) serve...
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Holy sh*t.... are you serious?
I haven't posted on here in a while because stupid people piss me off... now it appears that someone has become stupid enough to get me to say something.
You just proved LL Cool Jake right in your ignorant and common senseless ranting. Shall I quote for you the part of your posting that proved you are stupid enough for me to say that you are waisting the oxygen you breath?
"The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera ...
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The key word is continuous you dont get turned off for normal use.
I find it interesting that everyone from sprextel seems to have a friend that recieved one of these letters.
Do you know how rare it is that these letters are sent out.
Get a life buddy, come up with a better and more orignial story than my buddy got letter. ๐คฃ
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Maybe thats because they aren't that rare.
If the letter isn't good enough for you, and I don't really care if it is or not, then the fact that a VZW manager actually verified these concerns to my face should do the trick.
And the best part about that conversation was that he claimed Sprint would do the same thing to you. But I'm sure you know better... so I will leave you misguided sheep to molest each other over the idea that VZW is trying to keep pace with Sprint in the Mobile Broadband game. Which I am sure that you guys think VZW is winning... somehow... ๐คจ
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๐ it's okay, learning something new can be exhausting. Sprint caters to those who have little, no or bad credit.. mostly those who are uneducated.
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MAN you and me knows the vzw it wayyyyyyyy ahead of sprint so take it easy drop call user ๐คฃ
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I cant respond to this with any coherent thoughts either.
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๐ it's okay, learning something new can be exhausting. Sprint caters to those who have little, no or bad credit.. mostly those who are uneducated.
and the illegals with no social security numbers of course ๐
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why would u speak with a vzw manager when it was your friends account?
I know these letters are rare because i work in the data tech support dept. We handle these accounts.
and when it comes to the mobile broadband game. Please do some research and tell me who has the highest data revenues?
The game to me since i work for the company is money. the more money for VZW the more money for me.
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I really hate to burst your bubble dear friend, but Sprint has higher data RPU. I'm sorry... thats just fact. As terrible as Sprint's 3rd quarter results were... that was the one shining spot.
Secondly... I wasn't talking to a VZW manager about the letter situation. The letter person actually came after I had talked to the VZW guy. Not to mention that I never once claimed that this person with a letter was a friend. Not that it would stop me from talking about the situation with someone at VZW. So I am really not sure of your point of saying that.
My other curiosity would be that you think being a data tech means that you know enough to get in here and speak. Employees are more often than not the least educated people in here. They t...
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In regards to carrier employees, there is a big difference between "the least educated people in here," and being biased towards the company that pays them. Most provide useful insight into policies of all the carriers. It's only natural that many will want to take pride in the company that they work for.
He also cited data revenue, not ARPU. There is a difference.
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You are correct... but I did state that Sprint has the highest DATA revenue per user... not just ARPU. I do understand taking pride in the company you work for, I don't understand throwing out bias remarks that aren't backed up in reality.
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NONE of this will matter once T-Mob's @home service lainches or Cingular's new one nationwide...are you freaking kidding me that they would sweat you staying online continously? What a crock!
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You lost me on the idea that Cingular or TMobile will ever really compete for the wireless data market. As much as I believe that VZW is full of crap, I don't think that we will ever have a serious discussion in here about the other companies competing with the CDMA guys for the business. Even my VZW arch-rivals in here will be able to agree with me on this one.
But yes... you are correct... it is a crock to sweat the customer for using what they pay for.
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Ok this is getting stupid, so here are UNDISPUTED FACTS. Please don't argue with this. These are undisputed facts. Arguing will only prove that you have no interest in a)science b)proof c)facts or d) intelligence.
1. Verizon does specificaly state in the ToS that you CANNOT use their data services to download/upload music, movies, games...etc.
2. Verizon WILL send you a letter saying you are violating ToS if you do these things. It does NOT matter how "rare" it is. The fact is that they always have the right to cancel you of you are dowloading a song online with their data service.
3. Sprint has no such limitations and sends no such letters.
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well stated. I shant yell at you as I did the others.
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VZW releases media reports all the time for enhanced coverage and new launches. Something that Sprint JUST started doing. Oh, and for the record... it wasn't the CDMA customers that made it a bad quarter... it was the iDEN customers. CDMA users tend to stick around because of the amazingly large gap between the value of service between Sprint and the others. Especially when it comes to data pricing/uses/features... so on and so forth. I can not understand for the life of me how VZW got these people to drink the VZW KoolAid. Real world experience/competition between Sprint and VZW consistently falls on the Sprint side. Especially with educated users... VZW has done one thing right... one thing that Sprint can never take away, and everyone kno...
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It's also the fact that areas with 800 band towers work in houses better then a PCS signal. It's not brainwashing it is reality. Data alone will not make a difference until VoIP replaces the current voice network.
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bkw79Dec 14, 2006, 10:32 AM
This was such an interesting comment that you made, comparing Sprint to VZW. "applause for that... too bad it doesn't change reality."
Anyone can argue both sides all day. The only thing that is reality is that, for the past, maybe five years, statistics have shown fewer dropped calls, better call quality, and better coverage from VZW over Sprint. All of the surveys from customers, the quarter results. VZW brings in many more customers than Sprint, and loses less customers than them. There really isn't a comparison. If Sprint was as good as you say they are, things would be different. Even Sprints lower pricing and 7 o'clock nights and weekends haven't helped their industry high churn rate. It's funny that fans of the company with...
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And you didnt drink the Sprint Kool Aid?
"Real world experience/competition between Sprint and VZW consistently falls on the Sprint side"
- Unless you look at quarterly results. I would consider actual sales, and actual churn to be the true test of real world experience/competition.
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Sure you can legally do whatever you want to do with Sprint if you get decent service with them. ๐คฃ
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oh we can... thanks for letting us use yours and alltels data towers too ๐คฃ
verizon finally adds rev a in a couple places, keep in mind though that its a few places. verizon has like 90 cities where sprint has like 180. we have more high speed and now we have rev a in double your area. we have rev a cards out and a rev a phone will be shortly.
seriously vzw people need to get it through thier thick sculls that because you have more bars doesnt mean it will come out better then sprint ๐ . sprint only needs 1 bar and its still 400kbs speed and a clear call. try to do a 1x data test with 1 bar. vzw got 50-60, sprint got 90-100. true story.
besides this broadband race is won already and sprint will always win. whats funny thou...
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Yeah but Aircards aren't going to net Sprint 1 or 2 million adds a quarter. So the Voice war still rages on until VoIP on Rev A becomes available in all markets. More disapointing quarters to come for awhile and Rev A isn't enough of a deciding factor yet.
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Broadband race is won by Sprint already? So why does Verizon sell more Aircard than what Sprint can do with Data + Voice combine - EVERY QUARTER..NOT EVEN EVERY YEAR...
If I recall correctly, Verizon added over 2.5million customers during 3rd quarter while Sprint added barely over 200,000 new customers.
Out of 2.5 mil new customers, wouldn't you think that, 10% of sales would be Aircard? Now 10% is an totally understated figures especially when there are only 2 EVDO providers in US and 90% of Aircard sales going to Sprint is just plain funny.
Sprint may have this, have that, but at the end of the day we know all the reputation of Sprint.........
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Sprint added more than 200,000 customers, they just lost a ton of iDEN subscribers. You do realize that net adds reflect the subscriber base AFTER you take into consideration people leaving. Sprint's CDMA churn rate is right on par with VZW churn. Sorry to rain on your parade, but Sprint's gross adds weren't that far off VZW mark either. Take all that into consideration, and you are left with the fact that Nextel (and Nextel Partners) customers are causing the quarterly problems. Sprint is doing very well with the other side of the company, and as far as data goes... I would stake a lot in the estimate that Sprint is well out pacing VZW in data card sales. If for no other reason than Sprints penetration into the business sector. (Although th...
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Can you back any of these numbers up with a source?
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Reference the 3rd quarter earnings document for Sprint. Not a highlighted version, but the full release. Keep in mind, if Sprint still ended up with over 200K net adds with a churn rate that was off the charts... they had to obtain a significant amount new subscribers. IDEN is a part of Sprint now... so those problems inherited by a lackluster network are Sprint's to deal with. But Sprint's CDMA is the dominate technology, and the only technology that will last beyond the next 5 years with Sprint. So I find the fact that the CDMA customers are more pleased with the offerings, and are willing to come and stay with the company.
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Here are the stats
From Sprint
"Total wireless net subscriber additions were 233,000 for the quarter due to growth in CDMA post-paid subscribers"
Link: http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=1402 5
From Verizon
"Wireless: 1.7 million net customer additions, an industry record for the second consecutive quarter"
Linke: http://news.vzw.com/news/2004/10/pr2004-10-28 .html
Sprint roughly added 13.71% of what Verizon did.
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Gues what gross adds don't mean anyhting. Net adds is the important number, since that is the number that lets you know how much growth you acheived for the quarter. NO ONE CARES ABOUT GROSS ADDS!!!!! The IDEN customers are part of the Sprint family now and those loses are Sprints loses. And just to clear things up the CDMA side of Sprint did not do very well either, unless you are counting Virgin Mobile. It is very well documented that the only growing part of the Sprint business for the last 2 quarters was the Virgin and Boost portions.
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Very well documented huh? Interesting...
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He's right it is well documented. Every carriers quarterly results are posted in excruciating detail if you choose to wade through them. Headline reports typically center arount net adds since that's what most people understand. Sprint/Nextel took a bath with net adds the last three quarters. In fact they had the worst net adds of the 4 major carriers. High churn rates are part of the problem. Sprints financial results have been dismal as well. I suspect this led to the ousting of Len Lauer (or was it Forsee?). Since then Sprint has been spewing all kinds of "fell good" information (WIMAX Committment etc...) to try and sway public opinion so that their stock doesn't take a bath.
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prove to me they sold more aircards... i was talking about coverage. and besides my store sells sprint and im only in shentel. we have done a couple broadband cards, but just dont look at me. there are companies that had a choice of verizon or sprint and look at blockbuster or ford or some other companys like one a customer told me but cant remember which one.
who cares about subscriptions, so that had a hard time, get over it. that doesnt mean theres no such thing as an improvement later on. we have been hitting 11/2 times our sales goal for sprint so far. people we ported over are noticing sprint and what it can do for them, and heres the best part, few returns.
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Yo. I simply can't understand what you're talking about. Are you sure you are in the retail business? People will have hard time buying from you stores.
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Here are the stats
From Sprint
"Total wireless net subscriber additions were 233,000 for the quarter due to growth in CDMA post-paid subscribers"
Link: http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=1402 5
From Verizon
"Wireless: 1.7 million net customer additions, an industry record for the second consecutive quarter"
Linke: http://news.vzw.com/news/2004/10/pr2004-10-28 .html
Sprint roughly added 13.71% of what Verizon did.
Here is the logic:
There are 2 EVDO providers in US. Do you REALLY REALLY think that Sprint outsold in Aircard Verizon when they only did 13.7% of what Verizon did? Think about it. Even if Verizon sold Aircard for just 15% of their net add, they are already beating Sprint as a whole.
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You are a bumbling idiot.... go kill yourself.
The losses came from iden customers leaving. There was a SIGNIFICANT increase in CDMA customers (the ones that use aircards). So your math needs to use the gross adds not the net adds if you want to make any real contribution to this forum.
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Why would I want to kill myself? Are you stupid or something?
You asked for Stats, I gave you stats... you are in idiot Sprint customer.
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I personally didn't ask for any stats. And it is highly unlikely that I am the stupid one. After all, I am "IN" idiot Sprint customer.
Besides you didn't give stats. To give stats that would mean ANYTHING you would have to look at gross adds. Why? Because those are the ones that came to the company during the quarter in question. Net looks at the old customers that left the company. Sprint had much more than 200K new adds... in fact I will make this even easier and tell you that VZW had significantly more than 1.7Million. If the argument is who has added the most data card customers shouldn't you know how many new customers the company added? And shouldn't you be smart enough to know that you cant use the numbers, in the manner that you d...
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OK...given the topic, neither of you are using meaningfull statistics. In order to truly know which carrier added more data customers you need to breakdown the overall gross adds, which is available but has not been cited. In order to know how many data subscribers each carrier grew, you need to break down the net adds. The net add numbers are typically more meaningfull. It doesn't matter how many subs you signed up if even more are deactivating.
I think the point that denzilion is trying to make is that since VZW signed a great many more subscribers than Sprint in the last quarter (gross and net) that the likelyhood is great that they also signed more data subscribers as well. Given the large difference in gross and net subscriber adds bet...
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Thank you. Its a really good point of view and good contribution
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What are you talking about. Sprint announces that they launched ReV A in 20 cities, not 180. And VZW has not announced any cities.
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so if you read my post... we actully have LIKE 180 broadband cities, i never stated rev a, we have 20 rev a right now but doesnt mean we will jump to 30 or 40. we do have a larger evdo network then vzw.
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"verizon finally adds rev a in a couple places, keep in mind though that its a few places. verizon has like 90 cities where sprint has like 180. we have more high speed and now we have rev a in double your area. we have rev a cards out and a rev a phone will be shortly."
Here's your post that I responded to.
Perhaps if you were referring to non- REV a evdo, you might have clarified that. This paragraph starts out about REV A, not EV-DO.
Also, since you were referring to EV-DO, Verizon has it in 223 cities, not 90.
http://b2b.vzw.com/broadband/coveragearea.html »Sprint states that they cover 216.
http://powervision.sprint.com/mobilebroadband/plans/ ... »
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it sez metropolitain, im talking about cities, way different.
go back to grade school and learn was a metropolitan is and what a city is
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Thanks for the advice, I'l be sure to "go back to grade school and learn was a metropolitan is."
But before I go back to grade school, if you look at the two links, you will see that both companies list individual cities. Sprint calls them metropolitan areas. Verizon calls them cities. I'm not claiming that either is incorrect. When I get to grade school I'm sure that I will learn that a metropolitan area is generally considered to be a city and its surrounding communities. I'm from Chicago. I would consider the city itself, and its surrounding suburbs to be the Chicago metropolitan area. Now I would not consider any of the suburbs to be a metropolitan area in itself, but that is how sprint defines it. The cities of Aurora, Naperville, ...
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Classic Sprint customer, just like the company - making up figures.
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wow someone doesnt understand what the word LIKE is... whatever, you guys have thick sculls and believe wat you want, honestly i dont care anymore. now if sprint sets up wimax i know you guys will be like yeah but vzw did it first and better.
typical vzw customer. ๐
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I do not understand why Sprint bought Nextel in the first place. Nextel has been an albatross hanging around that company's neck. Now I am hearing that the poor churn numbers are due to IDEN subscribers walking away. The only bright side to Sprint acquiring Nextel were Nextel's loyal, high revenue customer base and the combined entity's wealth of spectrum. Whoops! I think that this was a horrible acquisition. Sprint would have been better served acquiring Alltel and all the carriers SHOULD have left Nextel to wither and die with its dead end IDEN technology.
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sprint bought out nextel ecause of iden being a dead technology. but its not nextels or sprints fault because of iden being tied up like it was. nextel wasnt going to last past 2010, so nextel needed someone to buy them out, so sprint took them. the reason why its not going as great as usual is because of CS intergration, different billing plans, and phone selection. iden was great i know, but the problem was CS wasnt as good, and with the merger nextel was bought by sprint and was using sprints money to make nextel plans cheaper. free PTT and great plans with very cheap deposits ment more customers and more customers ment tied up towers. loyal customers thought it was because of sprint and nextel and left to other carriers. however thinking...
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evryone that contributed to turning this into a Sprint vs VZW argument is a dumbass...
-RCR
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lol i know... just you have some of those stubbern vzw customers that dont know what selling phones is and how much of an increase have they noticed
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Does that actually mean something? I have no idea what you just tried to say.
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Except for the fact the only reason VZW released the information they did was to combat the positive publicity that Sprint is getting through the launch of Rev A.
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its possible that there was another reason. Have you spoken to the person at vzw who released the information? If not, your statement is hardly a fact. Perhaps, and this is just my opinion (I'm not stating that it is a fact); they are announcing that they too are turning on their Rev A.
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I can appreciate a smart ass. So I will officially state that I like you more now than I did 5 seconds ago.
However, if they were coming out with information just to come out with information they would have actually GIVEN information. Not some vague statement about them having some technology somewhere. Not to mention that they announced it not even a full day after articles/blogs were coming out on the internet talking about the Sprint "shaming" VZW. It could be coincidence... and I'm not claiming it as fact. I just happen to think my theory is right.
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Rev A isn't much of a deciding factor for a wireless carrier for the masses. Verizon was going to launch Rev A anyways, it has nothing to do with media or publicity otherwise Verizon would have mentioned it when their Rev A network starting going live. It not like Verizon is copying Sprint, this was a natural progression of CDMA.
I don't see what the big deal is, Sprint had it's bragging rights to launch 1st. Now the playing field for Rev A is level.
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except VZW doesnt have the devices in the customers hands. Sprint has had theirs out there for a good little while now. So its not quite level just yet... VZW has a couple of things left to do. (including changing the terms and conditions of the usage).
But thank you for not being stupid... at least your points were coherent. I wouldn't even be in this board if I hadnt read such retarded things.
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Yes Sprint is the leader in data! was this not obvious to everyone ๐ณ
POWER UP
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Very informative and I really like how to back-up your claim with ๐ณ .
Now thats what I am talking about People!!
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well back up yours too. seriously end this, this is retarded, and noone really caares anymore
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