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this is getting ridiculious

pauldg

Nov 6, 2006, 5:11 PM
did these guys ever actually make a product, or did they just sit on their patents until palm/rim's pockets got deep enough?
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Wireless Buddy

Nov 6, 2006, 5:36 PM
I never heard of NTP until the RIM lawsuit
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patientzero

Nov 6, 2006, 5:45 PM
NTP is a patent holding company. My understanding is that the patent was bought from someones estate. Also NTP as a patent hoplding company will never release products on it's own. They would however sale the rights to gain revenue. The trouble is they are really late to the game. Where was all of this 5 or more years ago, when "wireless email" started to come about. Rich or Eric can you clear this up?
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muchdrama

Nov 7, 2006, 2:27 PM
patientzero said:
Where was all of this 5 or more years ago, when "wireless email" started to come about. Rich or Eric can you clear this up?


Like it was said before, NTP waited till other companies started using their patents, fattening their wallet in the process.
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Roadkill

Nov 10, 2006, 7:34 PM
Not quite. NTP tried to license their patents to the existing companies who were (ab)using them as far back as 2000. The companies said no thanks, so NTP proceeded to sue RIM.
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muchdrama

Nov 13, 2006, 1:30 PM
Roadkill said:
Not quite. NTP tried to license their patents to the existing companies who were (ab)using them as far back as 2000. The companies said no thanks, so NTP proceeded to sue RIM.


Still though...it doesn't hurt to sue a company with more cash than God.
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renardlee

Nov 6, 2006, 5:48 PM
i do agree about NTP getting rediculous, i think PALM or RIM need to aquire NTP so RIM or PALM can own NTP's patents and we dont have to hear about some unknown crybaby patent company filing lawsuits for the hell of it, i know if i was in that situation, i would buy the company, i dont think NTP would cost that much
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legacynrs4evr

Nov 7, 2006, 1:53 PM
They are probably worth $612,000,000.01 🙄
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oftech

Nov 7, 2006, 5:40 PM
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muchdrama

Nov 7, 2006, 2:28 PM
renardlee said:
i do agree about NTP getting rediculous, i think PALM or RIM need to aquire NTP so RIM or PALM can own NTP's patents and we dont have to hear about some unknown crybaby patent company filing lawsuits for the hell of it, i know if i was in that situation, i would buy the company, i dont think NTP would cost that much


Yeah, nevermind that patents are protected by LAW. And if it were YOUR patents? You'd be suing too.
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Argonnj

Nov 7, 2006, 3:31 PM
Its not even their patents. They didn't invent anything. They were (NTP) created by some dead guys estate. All they have is an idea, they never made anything or ever will make anything. That is the problem with this. You have 2 companies that have implemented this and are making life easier for the masses. On the other hand, you have some holding company, that makes nothing, is totally useless and loves to sue everyone.
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muchdrama

Nov 8, 2006, 2:08 PM
Argonnj said:
Its not even their patents.


Well, I guess they got awarded $612 million dollars for nothing then, huh?

And I say again...if it were YOUR patents, you'd be bitching like white trash at a trailer park convention.
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muchdrama

Nov 7, 2006, 2:25 PM
pauldg said:
did these guys ever actually make a product, or did they just sit on their patents until palm/rim's pockets got deep enough?


What would it matter? You patent something so other people can't use it. If they do, they owe you in some way, shape, or form.
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jlatimer

Nov 7, 2006, 9:55 PM
But again, they didn't patent squat, they don't make squat. They acquired the patents...do they have a legal right...yes. Is it "right".....no.
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muchdrama

Nov 8, 2006, 2:05 PM
jlatimer said:
But again, they didn't patent squat, they don't make squat. They acquired the patents...do they have a legal right...yes. Is it "right".....no.


There's no right or wrong. It's patent law. Emphasis on the LAW part.
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legacynrs4evr

Nov 8, 2006, 4:34 PM
As I said in the other post, I feel that wireless email today has become something of public domain. It would be like some dude or company coming out of the cornfield and saying "I invented text messaging in 1980" and suing everyone. Pretty much every mobile device today can SMS and email.

What I'd like to know. Palm & Rim didn't ask for this. They didn't willingly do this thinking they could get away with it. Mobile email is a helluva concept. Before they implemented it into mass marketed hardware, why didn't they try to patent it? And if they tried, PTO would have came back and said NTP beat them to it. They obviously assumed public domain just like SMS is.

It's like the robber that breaks into a lady's house, hurts himself, and sue...
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muchdrama

Nov 8, 2006, 6:58 PM
legacynrs4evr said:
As I said in the other post, I feel that wireless email today has become something of public domain.


Just because you think this way doesn't mean it's true. As evidenced by the HUGE monetary judgement awarded to NTP. Sorry.
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Roadkill

Nov 10, 2006, 7:41 PM
In effect, RIM and Palm *did* ask for this. NTP tried to license the patents to them and they refused.

There's no loophole here. RIM and Palm knew the patents existed. There are reasonable interpretations of the patents RIM and Palm felt made them not apply to their products so they continued development while basically thumbing their noses at NTP.

NTP obviously feels that their patents apply, and is suing to prove it. That's the way the patent process works.

My understanding of patent law, though, is that since RIM and NTP settled out of court that particular patent technically still hasn't been "proven" in a court of law.
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