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First Dual Mode iDEN / CDMA Phone Revealed

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Hmmm. Disappointing?

RUFF1415

Jul 3, 2006, 12:36 PM
So you won't be able to take full advantage of having access to both voice networks with this phone? I have to say...that's what I was expecting of this phone. Now I'm not too excited.

This doesn't really impress me as much as it would have if Moto had found a way to hand off voice calls seamlessly between the two networks...in case you leave a Sprint covered area and enter Nextel territory.

Am I right in taking it that this will be strictly Sprint's voice and data, and Nextel's iDen?

Looks like whoever mentioned the nightmares of GAIT phones can sleep easy.
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Ace2525

Jul 3, 2006, 1:26 PM
yea i agree...kinda stupid b/c i dont think sprints voice network is all that great...specifically in my area Nextel's service is probably better.

Are they still going to offer Nextel Phones just for nextel service come october?
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jnavarro3pe

Jul 3, 2006, 1:49 PM
sprint rulezzzzzzzzzzz 🤣
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renardlee

Jul 3, 2006, 10:32 PM
excellent service, great customer support, nice phones, not restrictive and dont butcher their phones like verizon, sprint is amazing but im a cingy dude and i like both
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nextel18

Jul 5, 2006, 8:18 AM
I didn’t read Ruff’s message, but I take it by its message is that it is bad and probably will disagree with him. With that said, I think the point of this phone is to have just an entry point for Nextel subscribers to slowly migrate over to the Sprint network and this is a great way of doing it. By the way, there will be more phones coming that will have this capability but with more features.

They will still offer Nextel phones.
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RUFF1415

Jul 5, 2006, 3:00 PM
Wow Nextel...didn't anybody ever tell you "don't judge a book by its cover?"
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icanbeatali

Jul 5, 2006, 9:38 PM
We've read your other posts... its more like "judging a book by its author."
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RUFF1415

Jul 6, 2006, 12:06 AM
Hmmm, maybe you all should take a lesson in reading each other's posts.

Nextel18 said:
I didn’t read Ruff’s message


Yet he says that he probably disagrees with me. That doesn't sound much like "judging a book by its author," now does it?
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muchdrama

Jul 6, 2006, 4:21 PM
RUFF1415 said:
Hmmm, maybe you all should take a lesson in reading each other's posts.

Nextel18 said:
I didn’t read Ruff’s message


Yet he says that he probably disagrees with me. That doesn't sound much like "judging a book by its author," now does it?


You're assuming he's intelligent.
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nextel18

Jul 6, 2006, 5:37 AM
Don’t bother with him. (As you have noticed I haven't even responded to his posts and I think you should too because if you don’t agree with him he will bash you. I like his time of his posts. It is all day basically- It is a shame.)
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Argonnj

Jul 3, 2006, 2:10 PM
Yes, from what I've read. Iden only for DC, CDMA for everything else. This is a good thing as Sprints CDMA is much better for voice and data. I just wish it was EDVO as well.
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RUFF1415

Jul 3, 2006, 2:36 PM
Perhaps it is a good thing in your area, but you must realize that Sprint's network is far from fantastic in a lot of other locations. I have been to several places that have far better coverage with Nextel than Sprint.

Sooooo, for areas like that...this phone is almost pointless. Until Sprint gets on the ball and starts integrating the two networks over to all CDMA, that is.
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Rich Brome

Jul 3, 2006, 3:00 PM
RUFF1415 said:
... Until Sprint gets on the ball and starts integrating the two networks over to all CDMA, that is.

That is the plan. 🙂
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Rich Brome

Jul 3, 2006, 2:32 PM
RUFF1415 said:
... This doesn't really impress me as much as it would have if Moto had found a way to hand off voice calls seamlessly between the two networks...in case you leave a Sprint covered area and enter Nextel territory. ...

That would actually not be the smartest strategy for Sprint. The smarter strategy would be for Sprint to add CDMA base stations to all of Nextel's non-overlapping tower locations, so there is one network that combines the coverage areas of both former networks.

...and that is exactly what Sprint has been busy doing. 😉
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RUFF1415

Jul 3, 2006, 2:40 PM
I realize that, but when the idea of a CDMA/iDen hybrid phone was originally introduced by Sprint...it's intent was announced to be a device that would suffice the lack in coverage between the two networks. Sort of a way to bridge the time-gap until Sprint got a chance to migrate all of Nextel's assets into it's CDMA network.

Afterall, isn't their time frame to integrate the two technologies into one now reaching into 2010? It was...
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Rich Brome

Jul 3, 2006, 2:57 PM
Yes, except for the coverage part. It doesn't take that long to add CDMA base stations to existing tower locations. I'm not familiar with the exact time table, but I imagine that should all be done by the end of this year.

This type of phone is simply designed to fill the gap until they can migrate high-quality PTT to the CDMA network.
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RUFF1415

Jul 3, 2006, 3:03 PM
Well it would depend on how eager Sprint is to upgrade the towers. I am sure that their target to have a single unified CDMA network was originally 2010 (which shocked and surprised me). If that target has since changed, I do not know. I'll have to dig through some things.

My concerns about this were almost put at ease when they announced a possible CDMA/iDen phone to fill the gap...and now they've gone and changed their plans.

Oh well.
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Rich Brome

Jul 3, 2006, 3:34 PM
2010 is only the date they promised to keep the iDEN network running until. They might shut down iDEN around then, but the only way they can do that is to make CDMA a completely viable alternative at least 2-3 years before that (as in next year) to give iDEN customers time to migrate to CDMA.

I don't recall Sprint ever promising a CDMA/iDEN phone that would work the way you describe. That was wishful thinking. The plans did not change.
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terryjohnson16

Jul 3, 2006, 9:34 PM
Do you think that once Nextel drops iDEN tech, they will sell their spectrum to other companies like T-Mobile, to use their 850MHz licenses?

Also, what will happen to Motorola do about their exclusive iDEN contract with Nextel-based service, since they are the only ones that make iDEN phones?
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Argonnj

Jul 4, 2006, 9:02 PM
terryjohnson16 said:
Do you think that once Nextel drops iDEN tech, they will sell their spectrum to other companies like T-Mobile, to use their 850MHz licenses?

Also, what will happen to Motorola do about their exclusive iDEN contract with Nextel-based service, since they are the only ones that make iDEN phones?


Doubt it, since nextel iden freq aren't cellular but SMR. Anyway Tmobile uses 1.9 not 800.
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terryjohnson16

Jul 4, 2006, 11:10 PM
So, T-Mobile does use 850MHz, via roaming agreements. If they bought licenses that have the 850MHz band then they would have it at native coverage instead of roaming coverage.
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nextel18

Jul 5, 2006, 8:24 AM
Obviously yes.
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nextel18

Jul 5, 2006, 8:23 AM
They wouldn’t be selling it, they would use this spectrum on the CDMA band.
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nextel18

Jul 5, 2006, 8:22 AM
First off, Nextel won’t drop off the IDEN tech and that is just a rumor. Secondly, if they were going to they wouldn’t sell the spectrum to carriers like T-Mobile and others they would sell it to the government or simply keep it to themselves for further use. Thirdly, they will use this spectrum which is the 800 MHz, not 850 and convert it to CDMA use.

What will happen? Well, that is why Sprint is migrating Nextel’s customers over and because of that when Qchat comes out; Sprint will have Sanyo and others to deploy these types of devices. I just want everyone to be clear that Motorola will still have a say in Qchat and other similar type devices.
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muchdrama

Jul 4, 2006, 10:43 PM
RUFF1415 said:
So you won't be able to take full advantage of having access to both voice networks with this phone? I have to say...that's what I was expecting of this phone. Now I'm not too excited.

This doesn't really impress me as much as it would have if Moto had found a way to hand off voice calls seamlessly between the two networks...in case you leave a Sprint covered area and enter Nextel territory.

Am I right in taking it that this will be strictly Sprint's voice and data, and Nextel's iDen?

Looks like whoever mentioned the nightmares of GAIT phones can sleep easy.



Personally, Ruff, this is about all I expected from Sprextel's first joint network handset.
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