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so where is the NEW ideas??

icanbeatali

Jun 28, 2006, 9:19 PM
I don't see anything here that isn't already done in the wireless industry. Everyone here seems to think that VZW is changing the game when they are really just catching up.

Reasons:

1. The main point of the article... prorated ETFs. Cingular has been doing this!
2. Upgrades... On Sprint (CDMA or iDEN) you can upgrade your phone at any point of the contract as long as the handset you use has been active long enough. Once you've had your handset 12 months you get half of the new customer price, and at 24 months you get the full rebate. AND... you only have to have a minimum of a $35 dollar MRC.
3. Out of warranty swaps... Nextel created this a long time ago, and since the merger Sprint has adopted it for both sides. An even better opt...
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barryefau

Jun 29, 2006, 12:59 AM
1. The main point of the article... prorated ETFs. Cingular has been doing this! - ah NO THEY DON'T


2. Upgrades... On Sprint (CDMA or iDEN) you can upgrade your phone at any point of the contract as long as the handset you use has been active long enough. Once you've had your handset 12 months you get half of the new customer price, and at 24 months you get the full rebate. AND... you only have to have a minimum of a $35 dollar MRC.

Verizon has had an upgrade policy in place for a very very long time, better than Sprints that's for sure


3. Out of warranty swaps... Nextel created this a long time ago, and since the merger Sprint has adopted it for both sides. An even better option for customers is signing up for the enhanced warr...
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 7:42 AM
ok, well you've managed to prove my point for me through your incoherent tirade. Besides the fact the Cingular does have a prorated cancellation fee. You simply stated in a completely factless manner that they already have an upgrade program (I would like to know how its soo much better by the way). You stated also, once again without quoting any facts, that they already took care of out of warranty phone. So let me just humor you and say that you are right, that would mean that there still aren't any new ideas coming here.... oh wait... excuse me... the prorated portion... regardless, if they aren't "playing catch up" then they are just making a lot of noise about nothing. So its still a pointless article. That said my friend... you get a g...
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OhSoKorny

Jun 29, 2006, 11:35 AM
You can go to Cingular and get something, you can go to Sprint and get something else, and Nextel will give you the third.

So Verizon is taking all three of the ideas from the companies and doing them all at once when all the other companies only offer just one. And that's not good enough for you somehow? ๐Ÿคจ
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 11:38 AM
Sprint (which includes Nextel) gives you two of those things and gives it to you better. Cingular has the other. My complaint was that they are acting like they have all these new things for customers. They have 1 new thing and they are changing a couple of other methods.
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barryefau

Jun 29, 2006, 11:38 AM
Dude - Cingular DOES NOT HAVE A PRORATE ETF!!!! I will say it again, Cingular DOES NOT have a prorate ETF! The only cell phone company that does is USCC, well until Verizon Wireless this fall.

Here's a Reuters to put this to bed:

Verizon's No 1 rival Cingular Wireless, T-Mobile USA, the No. 4 U.S. service, and Sprint Nextel Corp., the No. 3 U.S. mobile service, all charge flat fees ranging from $150 to $200 to users who leave before their contracts end. Cingular, a venture of AT&T Inc. and BellSouth Corp., Sprint, and T-Mobile, owned by Deutsche Telekom AG, would not say if they plan to follow suit.

๐Ÿ™‚ have a good day
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 11:50 AM
read the othe posts in here that verify that they do... not in all markets apparently. get over your poor information... I dont feel like arguing with idiots... but I'll "put this to bed" by telling you that I had family that switched to Sprint about 6 months ago and they only paid around $60 to get out of the contract....

you have a good day as well...
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scottchannell

Jul 1, 2006, 6:57 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzz...this bed is soooooo comfy!
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RUFF1415

Jun 29, 2006, 12:08 PM
Cingular does indeed have prorated ETFs, however it is not a standard across the entire company. In some markets...the prorated ETF is set at $240 and continues to deplete throughout contract. Otherwise, the flat ETF is $175.
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dca

Jun 30, 2006, 9:59 AM
Cingy hates the west coast market, something to do with T-Mo & the consumer's board, I'm sure. I think that is where the flat $175 exists. The $240 depreciates $10/mo until 2yr areement completed.
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maximo

Jun 29, 2006, 11:57 AM
This is ridiculous. Once all the dust settles, I'll have to post a detailed explanation of all the carriers policies to show that his is actually a good and "new" thing.
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Protege

Jun 29, 2006, 7:00 PM
Barryefau, actually Cingular DOES pro-rate their ETF. I know this because when I terminated my contract last year I paid a pro-rated fee having 3 months left.
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dca

Jun 30, 2006, 10:00 AM
...indeed, it's market-specific still. You'd think they would've changed them all by now...
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temp_name

Jun 29, 2006, 8:14 AM
Cingular only offers prorated ETF in some markets, not all.

They have always had an Early Upgrade (1yr) and a Full Upgrade (2yrs), however they have adjusted it to make it even more appealing.

They have always had out of warranty swaps, so I agree that this isn't a new idea, just an old one being advertised.

The new things in this article is the prorated ETF and a new upgrade policy... the out-of-warranty swap isn't new.
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 9:07 AM
There you go then... not much new here. Thats what I thought... thats why the other posts in here are driving me crazy. Everyone seems to be so amazed that they are going to continue to do what they've already done (making a few adjustments), and adding the prorated ETF. However, what will the starting rate be for that? People that are so excited about that should think that they could possibly pay MORE to leave if they leave too close to the signed contract date. Then the customers that are already with VZW that are happy about the prorate... I have to ask why? You are going to have to sign a NEW contract to get the prorate... which means that you will have a longer time to wait to not pay penalties than you do now! And if you arent plannin...
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adilus

Jun 29, 2006, 9:24 AM
Nobody is mad at you for stating facts, we just don't like you because you are a d!ck.
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 9:27 AM
Well as long as you have good reasons...
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VZW_insider

Jun 29, 2006, 9:35 AM
This really is a big step. While all these programs might not be brand new, the fact they are becoming public knowledge and company policy is new. For example.

Early Upgrades - Currently an early upgrade can only be performed on customers whose price plan bills over $59.99 a month, with a $20 processing fee, and on a phone that is over 1 year. (MERIT customers do not get charged the fee, they are generally on higher price plans and have no late payments or suspensions for non payment). It sounds like they are doing away with the service charge now. Not only that, contrary to other companies (ie Sprint), your getting the new customer price with all applicable mail in rebates.

ProRated ETF - Like it was said before, Cingular only pro-ra...
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 9:49 AM
Fair enough....

Early Upgrades: The article didnt say that they were doing away with fees, AND with Sprint customers ARE ALREADY eligible for the instant new customer price including any additional mail in rebate offerings once they have had their phone for 24 months. Sprint's "early upgrade" is at 12 months and is a $75 instant rebate on the phone. And like I stated before... your plan only has to be at $34.99 to do that... AND sub lines are eligible.

Prorated-ETFs: The article also did not state that the price would stay the same and drop as time goes by. It very well may do that, but we shouldnt assume that it will. If a company is going to lose more in the end, wouldn't it make sense to charge more in the beggining phases?

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SprintPCSGuy

Jun 29, 2006, 11:14 AM
VZW_insider said:
And finally, all those services that benefit ths customer like Roll-Over and Fair and Flexible. If those programs were so great then Verizon would have already adopted something similar. The fact is, Verizon still ports more customers in from Cingular than they lose. And a majority of customers porting in never even use their roll-over minutes. Is it a cool feature, sure, but to most it's a useless feature that they never use (keep in mind i didn't say everyone, this forum seems to have the exceptions to everything).


I agree with you about Rollover, but not Fair/Flex.

With Rollover, you have to be not using all of your minutes to build up a large Rollover bucket. If you aren't the type...
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 11:39 AM
Amen
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RUFF1415

Jun 29, 2006, 12:04 PM
I disagree.

There are plenty of people who don't have a consistent usage pattern from month to month (myself included). With Rollover, when you come across one of those months you may need some extra minutes...you just knock down the ones you had left over a month before.

Rollover has saved me numerous times. I'd rather pay nothing than an extra $5 for 100 minutes I might never use.
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SprintPCSGuy

Jun 29, 2006, 11:57 PM
But you did pay for them... in all of those previous months of being on a plan too high for your usage.
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RUFF1415

Jun 30, 2006, 12:23 AM
Yes I did pay, but I certainly was not on a plan too high for my usage. And it certainly wasn't anything extra like the $5 I would have to pay if I did go over.

As I said, there are plenty of consumers who don't have a consistent usage pattern each month...so who is to say that 850 minutes (what I currently have) is too high of a plan when some months I use in the 900s or perhaps even over 1000? I don't' always do that, but occasionally it happens.

The point is, I keep what I pay for and no extra money is spent whatsoever. All the minutes end up getting used at some point or another, and neither my minutes nor my money goes to waste.
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TheBlueCat

Jun 30, 2006, 11:00 PM
RUFF1415 said:
The point is, I keep what I pay for and no extra money is spent whatsoever. All the minutes end up getting used at some point or another, and neither my minutes nor my money goes to waste.


Thats nice.. why are you typing away on here? shoudnt you be somewhere talking on the phone? ๐Ÿคฃ
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RUFF1415

Jul 1, 2006, 1:18 AM
Whyyy on earth was this your first ever post? Is your life that pathetic to have to pointlessly butt in?

What are you talking about anyway?! And no...you're not funny. ๐Ÿ˜ณ
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TheBlueCat

Jul 1, 2006, 1:58 AM
MMM yes.. iv been watching you.. rolling over is your game.. then thats what i will play.. now what am i talking about is the real question.. Or even better was posed to be when i was only 11years.. "pie on a pizza? or pizza on a Pie? ha!! Call someone up and spend some of your roll over minutes on that one Mr. Ruff Draft... ha ha ha ๐Ÿ˜ฒ Going down on you and popping the weasel.. Pop Pop goes the weasel.. pop pop ๐Ÿ˜ who wrote that one.. cyngy bingy...
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TheBlueCat

Jul 1, 2006, 2:02 AM
Im NOT even going to respond to such nonsence!! Have a nice day sir.. My phone is ringing anyhow.. I also have a weight problem.. its cause im sitting all the time.. sitting on the pc.. and sitting on the phone talking away for hours.. thank you and good day..

sencerly
RUFF1415
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RUFF1415

Jul 1, 2006, 10:48 AM
Have fun with whatever you're on.
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RUFF1415

Jul 1, 2006, 11:00 AM
TheBlueCat said:
I also have a weight problem.. its cause im sitting all the time.. sitting on the pc.. and sitting on the phone talking away for hours.. thank you and good day.

TheBLueCat:
ever sence I started to use my Pc as my main gaming machine I doubt i will ever even buy a console again.. it dosnt make sence if you ask me.. right now my PC is as good as a 360

https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/p_forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

๐Ÿคฃ And you think I have a weight problem without even knowing me? That's priceless.
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TheBlueCat

Jul 1, 2006, 10:19 PM
its is cause you do.. peace out.. ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ
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muchdrama

Jul 5, 2006, 12:28 PM
TheBlueCat said:
its is cause you do.. peace out.. ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ


Well, THAT was pretty clear and concise. ๐Ÿ™„
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cellular_insider

Jun 29, 2006, 3:16 PM
What happens when I go 1 minute over my allotted minutes on my wonderful fair and flexible plan? For those of us minute consciouse people who don't go 100 minutes over the fair and flexible plan is a joke. It just means I will spend 5 dollars for one extra minute.
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SprintPCSGuy

Jun 29, 2006, 11:59 PM
When does anyone go over by just 1 minute? Usually when someone has gone over, they go way over.
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scottchannell

Jul 1, 2006, 7:23 PM
It feels good to not be minute conscious because I enjoy my beloved roll-over and 7-7. So, when you pay for going over your minutes, remember what the joke really is.

P.S.- Terrible plan for paying $5 for a minute of overage...get new service or something...
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youareretarded

Jul 2, 2006, 3:17 PM
You are the reason I have my name. This has NOTHING to do with Sprint, Cingular, or ANY other carrier. This is new to VERIZON. Take the pipe out your mouth and move on.
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icanbeatali

Jul 2, 2006, 3:41 PM
Hey genius.... obviously you have issues with good debate and sticking to the issues... must be a Democrat. Anywho.... since you missed the point. The article and other posts in here acted like these things were industry firsts. That is what the point was... since you can't handle that... I suggest you go somewhere that has people your name refers to (judging from your intellect they are most likely very close to you) and stop venting your real life failure through Phonescoop.
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youareretarded

Jul 3, 2006, 9:08 AM
I appreciate the kind words, I do appreciate anyone who can catch intellect when they see it. As for my political party, what does this have to do with the article, OR my post? Again, this article says, if ANYTHING (stop reading between non-existent lines), that its a 1st for all 3. But in all honesty, anyone who knows how to read -- it says 'new to VERIZON'. Pull your head outta whatever hole its in and go back to middle school. The title of the article wasnt 'Look What Verizon Does Better Than You' ... it was 'Verizon Making It Cheaper To Stay Or Go'.
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icanbeatali

Jul 3, 2006, 9:12 AM
do you read headlines or articles? and once again... other posts in here? I feel like we are arguing two different things here, and I'm already bored of it. I'm not reading between lines... I am going off what I read. You seem to have a problem doing that, and I am sorry for that. Have a wonderful and blessed day my friend.
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disturbed1

Jun 29, 2006, 9:34 AM
Ok, here's the thing.

Cingular DID do prorated ETF's up until Feb. of this year (they MAY still have it in some markets to this day).

Warranty swaps are nothing new to be sure.

Early upgrades are around in one form or another in almost every carrier I've dealt with.

I don't think this is VZW "playing catch-up" as you say, just grabbing a little good PR. These are some of the same things Cingular used to do when they were the #2 carrier, and now that they're #1 they've changed their policy. This is meant to help VZW gain back market share, and I'm sure that it'll work.

I don't, however, think that this is going to herald a new era in which all carriers prorate and offer easy options to get new handsets when you want them.
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 9:37 AM
Good comment... I can except that. I think the point of "grabbing a little good PR" hits the nail on the head....
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disturbed1

Jun 29, 2006, 10:05 AM
Thanks.

VZW needs all the good PR it can get (like every other cell phone company). If they can make themselves seem kinda like the little guy then they're in for some market share increases. If they combine that "little guy" reputation (even though we all know they're huge) with some really sweet and exclusive phones (anyone remember something called the RAZR?) they'll be more competition than they already are.

And for VZW fanboys I don't consider things like the Q to be the kind of sweet exclusive phones that will get them there. It's a nice device and all, but it's by no means something that an average joe would carry around.
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 10:18 AM
Exclusive devices such as the Blade, FUSIC, or Katana? lol.... just checking... ๐Ÿ˜
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ridavid81

Jun 29, 2006, 3:41 PM
Your comments are non sense. You think just because Cingular has GSM they are the god of cell phone companies. Well you need to think again buddy. I had Verizon for over 2 years and can count the # of dropped calls in one hand.

My GF has Cingular and she drops calls in the boston area like I drop flies during a summer cookout.
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 3:47 PM
what the hell are you talking about? I didn't mention anything about GSM... nor do I actually even like Cingular. I have been on record here several times saying that CDMA was the only intelligent option. That said... your comment makes no sense. I pointed out that Cingular had one feature that Verizon is trying to claim as a first. Read the whole discussion before you run your mouth making yourself look like the idiot your mother gave birth to.

Now that's out of the way.... I did like your Cingular drops calls like you drop flies at a cookout. At least that was worth reading.... classic.
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icanbeatali

Jun 29, 2006, 3:54 PM
who was even talking about dropped calls? seems that you are a VZW kool-aid drinker that had his poor little feelings hurt that someone made valid points AGAINST the wonderful and amazing Verizon.
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GinniUA

Jun 29, 2006, 6:22 PM
Uhh..

Once you've had your handset 12 months you get half of the new customer price, and at 24 months you get the full rebate


Verizon is now letting you get NEW CUSTOMER PRICE AT 12 MONTHS


how is that the same?
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kerwin7777

Jul 1, 2006, 7:16 PM
icanbeatali said:
I don't see anything here that isn't already done in the wireless industry. Everyone here seems to think that VZW is changing the game when they are really just catching up.

Reasons:

1. The main point of the article... prorated ETFs. Cingular has been doing this!
2. Upgrades... On Sprint (CDMA or iDEN) you can upgrade your phone at any point of the contract as long as the handset you use has been active long enough. Once you've had your handset 12 months you get half of the new customer price, and at 24 months you get the full rebate. AND... you only have to have a minimum of a $35 dollar MRC.
3. Out of warranty swaps... Nextel created this a long time ago, and since the merger Sprint has adopted
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icanbeatali

Jul 2, 2006, 8:57 AM
kerwin7777 said: Verizon users can now have the BEST CALL COVERAGE,

Are we still trying to discuss reality or have we moved on to fantasy? If we are trying to stick to reality I would like to congratulate VZW on their advertising campaign. It has to be one the most effective, false perception creating, campaigns outside of politics I have ever seen.
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