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Compared to V-Cast?

wfine81

Jun 14, 2006, 1:05 PM
Anybody know how Cingy's 3G compares to Verizons in terms of speed and applications?
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en102

Jun 14, 2006, 1:20 PM
Speed should be similar.
Applications are most likely different. Vcast vs. MobiTv, etc.

The newer UMTS is both Voice and data though, and similar to GSM, should allow you to do voice and data at the same time. (I.e. I can receive SMS while I'm on a call. My Nextel BB 7510 makes me wait until I'm off a call).
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RUFF1415

Jun 14, 2006, 1:29 PM
Connections speeds are similar as of now. However, HSDPA has a lower latency than EVDO and is said to have a slightly noticeable difference in downloading and streaming to the user.

I haven't gotten to use HSDPA yet, so I'm not able to speak from personal experience. Just what others that have used it are saying.
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caseydoggy

Jun 14, 2006, 2:48 PM
UMTS by itself without the HSDPA upgrade is slower than EVDO from Verizon and Sprint. However, UMTS with the HSDPA is muuuuch faster than EVDO by itself. However, when EVDO rev. A rolls out it will be on par with the UMTS HSDPA upgrade.
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icanbeatali

Jun 14, 2006, 3:29 PM
Dont confuse this information to be saying that Cingular's BroadbandConnect (HSDPA) will be "muuuuuch" faster than Sprint or VZW's EVDO networks. They are going to be pulling speeds right at the same rate as both EVDO networks already launched in America. Keep in mind that EVDO is being upgraded to Rev. A at the end of this year and beggining of next. Cingular will not be able to keep up with Sprint and VZW on data speed upgrades because of the costs involved are much greater for GSM as opposed to CDMA upgrades.
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Jayshmay

Jun 14, 2006, 3:43 PM
Well! ! ! IF Cingular is constantly UNable to keep up with it's competitors, then all I have to say is "Bye Cingular", I already promised myself that whichever carrier IN the U.S. has average speeds of OVER a megabit, first, that is who I will sing a contract with, I've been with Cingular for over 4yrs, but haven't been under contracat since 10/30/05

I'm watching Verizon very, very carefully.
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icanbeatali

Jun 14, 2006, 3:47 PM
Well I hate to make you watch someone else, but Sprint is going to be first to market on Rev A. Just thought I would let you know...
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Jayshmay

Jun 14, 2006, 3:54 PM
Yeah, though I heard that Sprint's upgrade to Rev.A will only increase the uploade speeds, NOT the download speeds, I want both, whereas Verizon will be 3.1mbps upstream, and 1.8mbps, I think, downstream,. . .bothways count for something.
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icanbeatali

Jun 14, 2006, 4:01 PM
They use the same technology... if one has a certain level of speeds the other one will too. You are simply looking at who gets it out first, and usually there isn't a large time gap between their launches.
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Jayshmay

Jun 14, 2006, 4:12 PM
Well, also, I understand Sprint has a heck of a lot more tv channels than Vzw does, as of NOW, really, the only phone Sprint even comes close to be attractive is the Samsung A990 I think it's called, but that one we saw on phonescoop a little over a week ago, with the rotating screen for tv viewing, THAT IS what I'm waiting for, it just seems as though the only thing Cingular's got going for itself is Rollover, and that's it, shame on them for being so, so, so late to the 3G ballgame.

I do recall there being a demonstration at CES of a Globetrotter 3.6mbps aircard with Cingular's logo on it that works on every GSM frequency, it's just a matter of AVAILABILITY!!!
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newevox360

Jun 14, 2006, 5:06 PM
Cingular has more than just Rollover going for them. They have the Hotests phone and all the newer phones you can take over seas and it work with out a problem. I dont know of many CDMA networks that say they can do that. For the people who travel GSM is the way to go. I have both Cingular and Verizon and my Cingular phone picks up a heck of a lot better than my Verizon one does and I have better luck when I have to download stuff with my Cinglar phone than Verizon. With my Verizon phone I lose signal all over the place and there data network has done the same. And being first isnt always mean they are the best.
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Jayshmay

Jun 14, 2006, 5:22 PM
I definetley agree with you about the GSM thing, that IS what the G in GSM stands for is Global, heck NTT DoCoMo has enough brains to transition they're handsets over to dual CDMA/GSM phones by 2yrs from now, BUT,. . . Verizon doesn't!
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icanbeatali

Jun 14, 2006, 5:35 PM
hahahaha.... I love employees that hide the fact that they are employees. You can always tell the blind love they give to their companies. My favorite part was the "Hottest phones" part!!! I really try to not to compare GSM and CDMA as much as I can. GSM is more usable world wide true, but not all consumers benefit from that. If you want the better of the two technologies... and the one that is the most forward thinking... you clearly pick a CDMA carrier. (I cant wait for the GSM cult to respond to that)

I am glad you are faithful to your own provider/job though... it says a lot about character... not so much your intelligence... but your character is off the charts!!! 😉
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en102

Jun 14, 2006, 6:09 PM
Technically speaking, Cingular has had UMTS/HSDPA up since last November.... just not in Atlanta.

I pick my carrier on the fact that it meets my needs, not bragging rights.

AT&TWS - $49.99 - 2 lines 1000 anytime, unlimited m2m (w/Cingular), unlimited n+w, free roaming, unlimited inbound messaging (sms/mms/text), and $9.99 'add-on' to cover all long distance + roaming in Canada

Coverage - yes, and lots of it.
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RUFF1415

Jun 14, 2006, 4:52 PM
icanbeatali said:Cingular will not be able to keep up with Sprint and VZW on data speed upgrades because of the costs involved are much greater for GSM as opposed to CDMA upgrades.

That statement is not true. HSDPA alone is capable of speeds faster than EVDO rev. O and as fast as EVDO rev. A. Currently, Cingular has the network capped about 400-700 kbps, however the actual speeds that the current network can attain are in the several mbps range. In closed testing, we all know that HSDPA has attained bursts up to 14 mbps.

So, as soon as Sprint and Verizon roll out their own EVDO rev. A networks (which is an actual UPGRADE that costs the companies money) Cingular will simply have to tweak the HSDPA equipment...
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icanbeatali

Jun 14, 2006, 5:02 PM
If that was actually true then explain to me and all the other avid readers here why they dont just go ahead and launch it to its full potential. I mean... if its that easy... why not dominate the industry? I'm just saying... doesnt make a lot sense when you spell it out like that. Hmm... I wonder if there is more to it than that?? 🤣
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en102

Jun 14, 2006, 6:14 PM
Not that I really care about the pi$$ing contests... but

Back in January
Live From Las Vegas: Cingular Completes First 3.6Mbps Mobile Data Call
http://www.3gamericas.org/English/News_room/DisplayP ... »

Nortel and Qualcomm Achieve Industry's Fastest HSDPA Data Call
7.2Mbps Tests Highlight Rapid Evolution of Mobile Broadband
http://www.3gamericas.org/English/News_room/DisplayP ... »
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RUFF1415

Jun 14, 2006, 6:24 PM
1. There isn't a need nor a market for it yet. Cingular realizes this, and as opposed to overdoing a good thing, they capped the speeds until a nationwide launch, when people's attention and wallets will be in that direction. Honestly, how many people do you currently know that would take full advantage of having those high speed capabilities on their phone? Very few of them out of the millions in the US market. It's smart business on Cingular's part.

2. Phone manufacturers have not designed or produced commercial handsets fully capable of utilitizing these higher speeds yet. Just as EDGE handsets have "classes," so do HSDPA phones. As time progresses, we'll see manufacturers offering these higher class HSDPA devices and the cap will be l...
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en102

Jun 14, 2006, 5:48 PM
Don't forget... UMTS/HSDPA network is limited to 14.4 Mbps. Current devices are somewhat 'crippled'. Live usage of 3.6Mbps devices were done last year in Las Vegas. 7.2Mbps usage was done in Europe. This is similar to GPRS/EDGE with Class 2 - class 12 devices.
Class 6 EDGE ~= 120kbps MAX
Class 10 EDGE ~= 236kbps MAX
The 'network' doesn't require the upgrade... the end device does (as does the backhaul).
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