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pwfb

May 15, 2006, 10:51 AM
Though I don't use a Treo, the news about the Palm OS is nice, but, I would still be resistant to getting one.

My son had a 700w for about a week or two and then sold it. Why?

1) When the unit was in data mode, incoming phone calls went right to voice mail. This was totally unacceptable for us, calls should have priority.

2) Email handling, especially if you have more than 1 account, was clumsy, inefficient and cumbersome.

I hope that Treo/Palm/VZW address these concerns. As someone who carriers a Blackberry (tMobile) and a Razr (VZW) I would LOVE to just have ONE device!
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Humdizzle

May 15, 2006, 12:47 PM
There were a lot of people like him. WM5 is a VERY buggy OS. The Palm OS tends to be very stable, in comparison at least.
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pwfb

May 15, 2006, 2:01 PM
It may be stable, but, if you can't get calls while in data mode, to me, everything else is irrelevant.

I usually NEVER use my cell phone to access the web, but today, I went to download the Google map thing on to my Razr. Sure enough, missed two important calls which went right to vmail.
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kiro01

May 16, 2006, 8:50 AM
Please note that trying to compare Palm OS and WM5 is like trying to compare a Mac OS with Windows. I prefer Palm OS because it is more stable. I have a Treo 600 and if you are syncing calls go to voice mail, this will happen with all Treos. Other than that all calls come through. Never had a problem with email. I was holding out on the 650 because it didn't have Wi-Fi and EV-DO. I can live with just EV-DO.
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pwfb

May 16, 2006, 8:57 AM
Perhaps I am wrong, but, I think that we are talking about two different things.

My biggest bone of contention is this. When I am in data mode (i.e. web browser) and there is an incoming call, I want the call to have priority (not go stright to voice mail) and the phone rings. This was not the case with the Treo 700w and in my own test of my Razr yesterday.

As for WM versus Palm OS, no arguement from me, then again, I am a Mac guy ;-')
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maddigital

May 16, 2006, 9:40 AM
The incoming call problem with the 700w while in data mode may be a Verizon problem, not a wm5 problem. Sprint and Verizon both have the slider WM5 phone.Verizon model is XV6700 . The verizon model has this limitation, the Sprint version does not. The cingular version - altho different processor and GSM also does not have this limitation. Verizon does trickery with its phones to limit features to somehow find a way to charge you.
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pwfb

May 16, 2006, 9:45 AM
I am not going to delve into the possible conspiracy theory aspect of all this, but, let me put my original point another way.

Forget Palm OS and WM for a moment. Yesterday I put my Motorola Razr into web mode to check out a web page. While it was doing this, two incoming calls went right to vmail, no ring.

Though I follow tech, I am not a "technical person", but, its apparent that there is not a way to make calls a priority when you are in data mode whether you use a Palm OS, Windows Mobile or plain old CDMA device.
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kiro01

May 16, 2006, 9:48 AM
I am using the Sprint network and called my Treo with a land line and the call went through while I was browsing.
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pwfb

May 16, 2006, 9:53 AM
I won't bash Sprint as I have never used them so I have no personal experiences.

I use tMobile (Blackberry) and VZW for calls. I can tell you that my VZW phone will NOT allow calls through while I was browsing.

And before anyone says it is the Razr's fault, I tried this with an E815, V710 and a CDM8900. Then again, my opinion of the Razr has diminished severely since I got mine.
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icanbeatali

May 16, 2006, 11:59 AM
I cannot speak for VZW, I work for Sprint and I am a Treo carrier myself. The problem you have is because there are not separate antennas for data and voice. Therefore, when you are browsing the internet calls cannot come through. Thats the same on Treos RAZRs or whatever phone you choose. Now, if you are on the internet, and the browser is not actively pulling or pushing data you can receive a call. For instance... you pull up ESPN and are reading an article... the page finishes pulling up and you are just reading the information on the screen; you will at that point be able to answer an incoming call. I hope that answers your question. One more point to note... carriers have looked at the option of placing two antennas in the phone to reme...
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pwfb

May 16, 2006, 12:04 PM
Great info, thanks! Before I read your note I tried the experimient with my 7105t Blackberry and it too routed calls right to vmail when I was attempting to open a web page.
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Roadkill

May 16, 2006, 12:43 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I *believe* that Nokia's Series 60 version 3 can handle multiple transmissions at once.

I've been waiting for the E70 to come to the US and I have a vague memory of reading that it can handle a call and data at the same time.
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GoodRTPGuy

May 18, 2006, 4:35 PM
The European version is UMTS which can run simultaneously with voice and data... Not sure that the US versions of those devices will be UMTS though.
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Humdizzle

May 16, 2006, 12:07 PM
icanbeatali hit it right on the head. Same thing happens when I'm browsing on my Sanyo 9000. As soon as data transmission stops, phone calls can come in.
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GoodRTPGuy

May 18, 2006, 4:34 PM
Actually ONLY CDMA can't multitask to at least acknowledge the call while an active data session is in use. GSM will suspend and active data session and allow the call to ring in.

Let's see, with a GSM/UTMS both data and calls to occur simultaneously.....and it's out today.
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GoodRTPGuy

May 18, 2006, 4:56 PM
Not with a CDMA device....

Folks this is an issue with CDMA not with the devices.

GSM handles data suspension like it should be handled...although some GSM devices are not designed to do the suspension properly. The GSM Treo DOES suspend the data session to allow the incoming call...as does the 8125, 2125, 6515, and the GSM RAZR...
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kiro01

May 16, 2006, 9:46 AM
I understand. I'm assuming that the call functionality hasn't changed so you can receive phone calls while browsing or any other function other than syncing. HoweverI just tested it with my Treo 600. Hope this helps.
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pwfb

May 16, 2006, 9:50 AM
Nope. I can not receive calls when I am browsing. Maybe because my area is still 1X, but, I don't thing EVDO will fix this.

I truly wish that this was not the case as I would LOVE to carry just one device versus a Blackberry (tMobile) and a Razr (VZW).
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gjh1978

May 16, 2006, 12:31 PM
If you want true ability to browse web/handle voice at the same time, the ONLY network that will let you at the current time is Cingular's 3G UMTS network. Hope this helps
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pwfb

May 16, 2006, 12:44 PM
Thanks. And like my earlier comment about Sprint, I won't say anything negative about Cingular as I have not used them. My "problem" is that VZW works in nearly every place that I go to. As such, looks like I am stuck carrying two devices for awhile longer :-(

In retrospect, I think the original reason I posted this was that I did not want someone thinking that they could purchase the new 700 without some limitations. Of course, same thing can be said for Blackberry.
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GoodRTPGuy

May 16, 2006, 12:45 PM
This is NOT the fault of the phone....this is a part of the CDMA standard (one of the reasons I use Cingular). CDMA does not have the ability to suspend the data session and allow the call to come through, GSM does. With Verizon and Sprint if you are in an active data session, ALL incoming calls go directly to vmail...on Cingular, the active data session is suspended, and the call rings through.....

The simple way to address this issue is to switch to Cingular :-)
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pwfb

May 16, 2006, 12:53 PM
Again, I won't jump into the VZW vs Cingular battle, but for what its worth, my GSM tMobile 7105t Blackberry does NOT allow calls to come through when I am in a data (i.e. opening web page) session.
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GoodRTPGuy

May 16, 2006, 12:55 PM
My Cingular Treo 650 does suspend the data session to allow my calls through. Could be that since Tmo hasn't fully deployed EDGE that the GPRS/GSM update isn't enabled.
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icanbeatali

May 16, 2006, 12:54 PM
Except for the technological/security gap between GSM and CDMA... that would be a great idea. Why would you want to downgrade your voice quality... data speeds... and usable features to switch to a different network from VZW or Sprint?

Sprint and VZW are competitors true, but we can agree on one thing... CDMA is the future. Before you argue that you should know that even your beloved Cingular will one day be using a "form" of the CDMA technology. Why advise someone to take go backwards?
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GoodRTPGuy

May 16, 2006, 1:01 PM
Hmmm....downgrade voice quality going to GSM?? 🤨 I;ve used all 3 carriers in the past year, and there is NO comparison, in the area of the country I work and travel in, Cingular is superior to vzw and sprint. CDMA voice quality leaves a lot to be desired.

Features like sending calls to voicemail when an active data session??

Actually I assume you are talking about WCDMA... which is an evolution of both GSM and CDMA....in any event GSM is no step backward.
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CrazyFreakDude

May 16, 2006, 11:00 PM
Actually WCDMA is an update to the GSM protocal, it is not an update to current CDMA protocals. It is a new wireless protocal. The current protocals used in the US are, TDMA, CDMA, iDEN, GSM, and now the new WCDMA. It is a new protocal not just a data update which would be GPRS to EDGE, or 1xRTT to EVDO.
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 6:46 AM
Actually you are very wrong. It is in fact based on & derived from current CDMA protocols.
WCDMA-Short for wide-band CDMA (Code-Division Multiple Access), a 3G technology that increases data transmission rates in GSM systems by using the CDMA air interface instead of TDMA. WCDMA is based on CDMA and is the technology used in UMTS. WCDMA was adopted as a standard by the ITU under the name "IMT-2000 direct spread".

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/W/WCDMA.html »
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 6:56 AM
Also in addition to the prior response this is from the creators of the technology: Qualcomm.

The third-generation (3G ) wireless standard being deployed by operators migrating from GSM-based 2G networks, WCDMA (UMTS ) supports the higher speed data rates that provide consumers and professionals with wireless connectivity in many markets around the world.

The UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications Service) technology standard is being implemented in Europe as they transition from GSM/GPRS .

WCDMA (Wideband CDMA ) technology is being implemented by operators in the United States and Japan as they transition from TDMA/GSM/GPRS/PDC.

WCDMA and UMTS are effectively synonymous terms.

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icanbeatali

May 19, 2006, 1:36 PM
I think that he was just trying to say that WCDMA is not the future of CDMA... its only the future of GSM.
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 1:55 PM
WCDMA is the future of both technologies. CDMA was the initial technology. it then grew. WCDMA is the result and it is the future for both. 🤣
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icanbeatali

May 19, 2006, 2:47 PM
Wow... I thought you knew what you were talking about until you said that. Oh well... another one bites the dust!!! 😎
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 3:13 PM
Read the prior response i sent this morning. Then go to Qualcomm's page. Qualcomm created CDMA, WCDMA/UMTS, & HSDPA/HSUPA. NOW NOTE PARAGRAPHS 1,2,3. As a matter of fact let me help you:

1) WCDMA (UMTS)
The third-generation (3G ) wireless standard being deployed by operators migrating from GSM-based 2G networks, WCDMA (UMTS ) supports the higher speed data rates that provide consumers and professionals with wireless connectivity in many markets around the world.

2) The UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications Service) technology standard is being implemented in Europe as they transition from GSM/GPRS .

WCDMA (Wideband CDMA ) technology is being implemented by operators in the United States and Japan as they transition from TDMA/...
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icanbeatali

May 19, 2006, 3:59 PM
My friend... I wasn't arguing that point. It was the part where you said WCDMA is the future for both CDMA and GSM... my apologies for not being specific.
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 4:28 PM
No problem. I am curious though, since you dont believe gsm is evolving into WCDMA or that WCDMA is the future of GSM, what do you believe will replace GSM? Given the information I have found to be credible, assist me in being informed. 🤣
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icanbeatali

May 19, 2006, 4:30 PM
You have me all wrong... I believe that WCDMA is the future of what is now GSM... I just don't believe that WCDMA is the future of CDMA. That is all...
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 6:24 PM
I can agree with that at least with a long term scenario. However in the short term my pick is WCDMA. 2-3 years only.
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icanbeatali

May 19, 2006, 6:32 PM
Why? I don't understand why you would want an inferior product. It won't even perform at its capabilities when it is launched nation wide because of capacity issues. It is going to lag behind EVDO Rev 0, A, and B... all the way until we get to some form of WiMAX or whatever 4G comes. I just don't understand standing by the lesser experience...
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 6:39 PM
You misunderstand me.I dont want an inferior product. My pick is for whatever is released next in the way of cdma. You have me with release timetables, I dont know them. I can say I will do my research and be on the next fastest thing out.
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icanbeatali

May 19, 2006, 6:42 PM
I'll make that easy on you... Sprint is launching EVDO Rev. A early next year... possibly even by the very end of this year. It will be the fastest and largest netowrk of its kind. It will only be a year or so after that Sprint will launch Rev. B. which will be even more dominate... VZW will most likely be close to the same launch dates.
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moebiggsley

May 19, 2006, 7:52 PM
In that event we are on the same page.Thanks
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ur2late

May 17, 2006, 12:55 PM
Are you kidding me. The 700w, that's the Microsoft OS. That thing is a piece of JUNK.

The Palm Operating System has to be one of the MOST stable platforms out there. And if it does crash, on that rare occasion, all you have to do is hotsync it and everything is back to the way it was before.

I'm glad they came out with the Palm operating system.

Just research the Treo 650 and you will read just how stable the Palm OS really is.

Microsoft will never put out a stable a platform as the Palm.

MP3 player, Palm had that years ago. My plam has software that analyzes sounds, tunes my guitar, plays mp3, runs diagnostic on my Jeep (OBDIII) as well as analyzes the O2 levels from my motorcycles exhaust, can modify the fuel map as well, ...
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