T-Mobile Previews Cellular + Wi-Fi Plan in Germany

nextel18 said:
tmobile usa will be bought out?

by who?

Agreed nextel18, no way the gov't lets cing/att buy them and leave no other gsm carrier [of any size].

Heck I think cing/att likes to have Tmo around so they aren't the only gsm guys.

well, it could happen, becuase as i mentioned many times anything can, however, there would be so many divestitures it wouldnt be worth it.. remember, cingular and ATTWS merger, there were so many divestitures it got rid of 3 million+ subscribers, spectrum and towers. imagine, what the cingular/tmobile usa merger would bring. not wroth it..

tmobile could always look at;

1. alltel.
2. and others that i am not thinking of right now.

(it doesnt matter if its cdma or what not becuase there could always be gsm/cdma devies like we have now)

well said though.

Yeah, T-Mobile's not for sale. We make a killing off of our t-mobile hotspot not only here in the states but across the pond as well. Deutsche Telekom has said many times that we're here to stay and they granted us something like 2 billion to bid on spectrum this summer when and if the FCC decides to offer 3G for bid in June. Cingular is big in the U.S. but we're bigger world-wide.

actually, tmobile usa can be sold regardless if you say and others say it cant becuase if the right price is there, DT will say yes.. many companies always say "they decline to comment" or "we arent selling" then a few months later they sell.

$2B might not be enough to bid on the spectrum, but we shall see.

But you also have to look at the fact that DT isnt going to let everyone know how much money they are willing to spend. They just are using that figure to make you think that they are only using 2mill.

they already mentioned how much they are going to spend.

Just last year DT was seriously considering selling Tmo USA. If someone gave them a reasonable offer I don't think they would decline it.

Yeah, you're both probably right. I just don't want it to happen. I just hate Cingular's business practices and rate plans. They have great coverage and technology but all for a price. If T-Mobile USA gets bought out, I'll just move to Europe where there is no Cingular. 😉

um... i wouldnt call him any names becuase if a carrier wants to buy out tmobile usa, that party would just pay DT the funds.

(common sense)

T-Mobile USA will not be sold. We are a big revenue maker for DT, and they won't sell T-Mobile USA.

of course they can be sold.. as i mentioned in the other post, anything can happen. if the right price is there it will happen..

Deutsche Telekom is not the largest wireless provider in the world.

Both Vodafone and China Mobile are larger.

Vodafone is going down. They might sell.

Vodafone’s stock has slumped in recent months, and the company confirmed last week that it is in talks with Internet company Softbank to sell its floundering Japanese operations. Vodafone’s stock performance has prompted some shareholders to call for the company to sell either or both of its Japanese operations and its interest in Verizon Wireless.

means nothing... they probably wont sell becuase verizon wireless is one of the fastest growing wireless carriers in the united states.. i mentioned earlier it might be better for voda to wait a few years until this market becuase more saturated then it is, then sell it.. i am sure they can get a 15%+ premium on top of the price now the way that verizon W is going.

Deutsche Telekom is the largest GSM provider in the world.

what does that have to deal with any of my statements i made earlier?

actually your statement is wrong, becuase they are actually the 3rd largest provider and the 2nd largest company behind vodafone.

RUFF1415 said:
Deutsche Telekom is not the largest wireless provider in the world.

Both Vodafone and China Mobile are larger.

Sheesh. Thank you.

🤣 🤣 I told him, Cingular sucks. They wish they could touch T-Mobile and win our awards.

cingular isnt bad, tmobile is struggling right now in basically every metric but customer service/care. tmobile needs a lot of help before you compare them to cingular.

Cingular has their issues too. Just cause they have more coverage than T-Mobile doesn't mean that they have perfect coverage. People complain about Cingular having call quality issues, while T-Mobile doesn't. If you remember Cingular had network issues this past Friday. Eventhought it varied by location, they still had issues. T-Mobile didn't have any problems.

oh of course. every carrier has problems out there- there isnt one carrier that is perfect. thats why they give a disclosure. they all have call quality issues, but cingular has them more becuase they are continuing with the integration of tdma to gsm to umts/hsdpa.

tmobile has problems sometimes, but cingular has more again cuz of the integration but mainly becuase of over 55+ million customers will do that to a network. when you have a small subscriber base that tmobile usa has, it is easy to avoid problems.

Look at Cingular's Actual coverage area at http://www.gsmworld.com and compare it to T-Mobile's. Even when combined with AT&T Wireless' small amount of GSM towers they aren't as big as they'd like to think. Verizon has everyone beat on coverage alone....but try and get thru to a rep @ three in the morning 🤣

lol.. why would you want to call a rep at 3am? lol.

all i care is when i look at the companies is how much spectrum they have, total net subscribers and quarterly gains, cingular outperforms tmobile usa in all of those categories.

It's 3 in the morning, some lamer stole my handset...I want to call a rep to suspend the service so they aren't calling Tanzania on my airtime. All mobile agreements state you're resposible for charges on a stolen handset until you contact your carrier and ask to have your service suspended. Alot of international longdistance can occur in just a few hours.

yea that is true.. dont you put an international restriction on your phone?

youareretarded said:
You are an ignorant fool. They've had the best customer service for years. Also, their parent company, Deutsch (sp?) Telekom is the largest wireless provider -- IN THE WORLD. Who's gonna buy that? Learn to do your research before you talk, dumbass.

Ahem. Deutsche is not the largest carrier in the world.

no point of taking an attitude with your post even if you have valid points.

1. tmobile usa can be sold. infact, anything can be sold especially if the price is right. DT would sell. if someone offered them about $44B DT would probably accept it for tmobile usa.
2. tmobile usa has not been bringing in more customers... this is as of 2005;
Net adds for the top 4 in 2005
1. Verizon= 7.5 million
2. Sprint= 6.8 million
3. Cingular= 5.06 million
4. T-mobile USA= 4.4 million

3. tmobile usa wont survive if they dont improve their coverage as well getting new 3g spectrum for 3g services. getting UMA on their network/system would be great for them.

4. cingular will never go away especially with umts/hsdpa and ...
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In regards to your Cingular comment...

"T" isnt going to do anything to improve Cingular/AT&T. It will be the same Cingular management doing the same thing except it will be blue instead of orange and AT&T instead of Cingular.

actually they are going to improve cingular. for a few reasons which i have already posted on.. be free to explore them and then talk about them... in summary, it is all about control, combining managment, combining billing, combining networks, and other things. cingular will change becuase T loves the wireless game, becuase that is the main reason why they merged together. focus on wireless, becuase wireline will start to diminish in growth, however, it is vital to have these backbones becuase of the PSTN connecting to the MTSO.

things will change and it must or there would be a lot of pink slips. in addition, they must in order to compete against verizon wireless and sprint.

Something you don't understand about the whole Cingular situation is that they just started to post a profit last quarter after the aquisition of AWS. T-Mobile USA has posted a profit the last 3 years. Not only are we adding subscribers but we are making DK alot of $$. I don't know if they would accept $44 billion. DK is interested in more a world branding and market share than money I think. We'll just have to wait and see. 😎

i understand about the cingular situation is becuase they bought out ATTWS and thank for VOD they had to pay $41B which isnt too bad for the company especially with the 3g assets and already good tower infrastructure that they have.. obviously, in the first year or what not after a merger, they might not make money but once everything is closed and the integration is all set then they would see a profit.. Debt is life and the majority of purchases are used by debt..

the buyout based on $2000 per subscriber off of the 20 million or so subscribers gives equals them to be $40B which is pretty close. so based on the subscriber evaluation the purchase was a pretty good one and that doesnt even include the spectrum..


since tmobile usa has...
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Again. I have my name because of you people. Look at WHAT those adds are. If you look at what prepaid sales are vs new activations; we ALL know that there is NO money in prepaid (at least not worth noting). So who cares if Cingular added 3 million prepaid people, does that actually reflect their business? Dont look at the bottom half of the picture, if you do, you'll miss the other half of it.

might want to think again with your handle, perhaps it best suits you...

especially with your comments " T-Mobile USA is bringing in more customers than Cingular" and "T-Mobile USA will not be sold" and "T-Mobile WILL SURVIVE. Cingular is going down."

1. you never stated what kind of additions they were. i mentioned about the total which i thought is what you were talking about. prepaid, is actually another huge revenue source for the carriers becuase the average prepaid's arpu is about $15-20 (boost is $37), but more importantly is their cost to get those subscribers are extremly lower then it is to get it on the postpaid level. so there is actually plenty of money to be made there and in fact, boost mobile is actually going to be a ...
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nextel18 said:
might want to think again with your handle, perhaps it best suits you...

The pot calling the kettle black.

We hit the 50 million subs months ago.

we? who is we?

Cingular? obviously did.

tmobile usa, which you seem to be in their corner a lot isnt even close.

No, T-Mobile hit 50 million

lol.. tmobile usa? they dont even have 30 million lol.