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Verizon: T-Mobile's Legere 'Is Simply Wrong'

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Wow... Verizon is full of deceit

thenewempire

Jun 12, 2015, 8:41 AM
Verizon fails to recognize that they have loads of low band. If they are allowed to buy more, it will be very bad for the market. Just because they are able to participate doesn't mean Verizon and Art don't have the power to outbid everyone. I don't know why he even bothers trying to argue with John Legere.
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andrewbearpig

Jun 12, 2015, 9:10 AM
The point
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Your head

Verizon is pointing out how it's hypocritical for tmobile to be a big company but still hold victim /underdog status to curry favor for a legeslative(sp) block on bigger companies for the auction.

So no they aren't wrong.
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amarryat

Jun 12, 2015, 9:20 AM
Should the spectrum the Verizon received for free and earned billions on be taken back and put on the auction block?
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andrewbearpig

Jun 12, 2015, 11:15 AM
How was it received for free?
I highly doubt the fcc was like "oh hey Verizon here's free spectrum! " also too what does that have to do with tmobile playing the victim to curry favor in auctions when I can't handle it's own
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amarryat

Jun 12, 2015, 1:00 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/19 ... »

"This type of loaded rhetoric is particularly ironic coming from these two legacy monopoly carriers which were handed their original low-frequency licenses, free of charge in the monopoly era. "
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andrewbearpig

Jun 12, 2015, 1:13 PM
It didn't say anything but the big two are teh evils! That was an opinion piece and ironic that your okay with tmobile using the government to push out competition but shame the big two suing their capital
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amarryat

Jun 12, 2015, 1:17 PM
I quoted the part about the free spectrum. My original question was should the free spectrum be taken back and auctioned off, and you said you doubted it was free. I showed you it was.
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andrewbearpig

Jun 12, 2015, 1:54 PM
You showed someone claiming it was. That isn't proof. There was no document or agreement
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amarryat

Jun 12, 2015, 2:17 PM
Sorry, I doubt anyone here can provide you with a copy of the contract. Nor can they on just about anything you read about.
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amarryat

Jun 12, 2015, 2:23 PM
http://uk.pcmag.com/cell-phone-service-providers-pro ... »

'Verizon's traditional strength has been a 30-year-old gift—the low-band, 850MHz spectrum its predecessors got from the government in the 1980s."
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amarryat

Jun 12, 2015, 2:29 PM
All you need to do is use Google to find information about this:

"They have superior networks and coverage because back in the 1980's they were ILEC's and received the "B" side 850MHz spectrum at no charge. They could then use the money they saved to build their networks and subsidize it with wireline revenue. The "A" side was also given away and through mergers and acquisitions became owned by either AT&T (New York area - Verizon has "B") or Verizon. All new companies that entered the market since then have had to buy spectrum before they could even deploy one transmitter. AT&T and Verizon received preferential government treatment for decades and they leveraged that against competitors. "

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deanwoof

Jun 12, 2015, 10:47 PM
I think everybody should get out of the U.S. Unless you paid for it and auction land off or give it back to the Natives.
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KraventheRaven

Jun 16, 2015, 5:57 PM
Great idea! Very Happy

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Remember that in case of a water crash your seat's cushion can be used as a flotation device.

Enjoy the trip!
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amarryat

Jun 12, 2015, 1:22 PM
Having a big lucrative auction is great for government waste, but it's bad for our rates, because the more they pay for the airwaves, the more we're going to pay for service on those airwaves.

After being given spectrum, AT&T and Verizon are each one step away from being a monopoly. And as long as they can buy spectrum (that Verizon have even said they don't need), they can make sure there is no competition. Buying up all the resources to keep someone else from competing isn't competition.
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mobilemadness

Jun 12, 2015, 10:57 AM
You're right on. Verizon has much deeper pockets to bid on spectrum. They don't even need that spectrum. Verizon can say T-Mobile is welcome to participate all day long, but it doesn't take away from the fact that T-Mobile doesn't have the cash reserves to outbid Verizon. Verizon is greedy and wants more, to shut out competition. Anyone that thinks it's okay for Verizon to compete against T-mobile in auctions just doesn't understand how oligopolies work. It's understandable since most of the public now thinks monopolies are acceptable. In order to allow for competition, you have to let smaller carriers bulk up their spectrum.
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andrewbearpig

Jun 12, 2015, 11:17 AM
So it's more than okay for a company that is big though to be a bully with the fcc when convenient.
That are not some underdog in this.
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Versed

Jun 15, 2015, 12:20 PM
T-Mobiles parent, has all the means to bid on the spectrum. Same goes for Softbank.
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akidwai

Jun 12, 2015, 11:48 AM
Not so fast.

I remember reading something about 1-2 months ago about how although ATT and Verizon may own the most bandwidth, they have the least amount of bandwidth per customer when compared to T-Mobile and Sprint.

That is why Verizon and ATT are eager to participate in more spectrum auction since they both will be at full capacity sooner in the near future than either T-Mobile or Sprint. That is why T-Mobile and Sprint still have a version of Unlimited data plan available at this time since they have more spectrum per customer to go around.

And it is the amount of spectrum per customer that determines the fastest possible connection speed on average assuming all of it is "built out" in a specific area.

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thenewempire

Jun 12, 2015, 2:54 PM
You are correct, no doubt about it. BUT, if the smaller 2 carriers are going to compete and be profitable, this change has to take place. Right now T-Mobile is in talks with Dish on a possible merger which would help, but if things are really going to change, all the carriers are going to need to have similar levels of access available to wireless resources. We have all experienced the type of customer abuses that came along with Verizon and ATT having the large share of the spectrum, and the only reason customers are forced to stay with them is because they have the low band penetration and vastly more coverage than T-Mobile and Sprint BECAUSE they are allowed to hold a bulk of the spectrum. According to your logic, T-Mobile and Sprint shou...
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