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Zpike

Apr 13, 2015, 3:05 PM
If Samsung seals in the battery and removes the SD card on the Note 5, I'll be looking to LG for my next device.
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Slammer

Apr 13, 2015, 4:15 PM
I've already been keeping an eye on LG regardless of the Note5 and many of my immediate friends and constitutents are as well. We are the same type of people that left HTC when they decidedly thought bagging the options of these two options. We simply can't support Samsung in any of its phones for going this dierction.

And my argument to those that say millions are buying up these type of phones are ignoring the fact that mainstream users are feeling faced with a little choice.

John B.
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Zpike

Apr 13, 2015, 4:43 PM
I'll decide my choices with my dollar while I still can. Funny how all the so-called capitalists on this forum come out in droves to condemn net neutrality (though most of them don't understand it), but when it becomes obvious that consumer choice is no longer driving the market, but instead businesses colluding to bilk their customers, our "so-called" capitalists are nowhere to be found.
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Slammer

Apr 13, 2015, 10:37 PM
Absolutely. And as I have continuously stated, these people that complain about locked down phones where they have to jailbreak or root to get what they want out of an expensive phone, are completely satisfied with having even more limitations on them?

I seriously have no idea what defines today's tech enthusiasts.

John B.
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Zpike

Apr 13, 2015, 11:13 PM
It certainly isn't enthusiasm, lol
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The Victor

Apr 13, 2015, 4:58 PM
This isnt a issue for me since I currently use an iPhone 6 Plus but just had a question for you.

With the way the market seems to be going, what exactly do you plan on doing once no device supports an SD card or a removable battery?

Thats where everything seems to be heading. I honestly cannot think of a device I would spend my money on that has a currently has a removable battery and an SD card slot.
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Slammer

Apr 13, 2015, 8:25 PM
---"Thats where everything seems to be heading. I honestly cannot think of a device I would spend my money on that has a currently has a removable battery and an SD card slot."---

Maybe you can't. But, I certainly can think of many reasons why you should.

Seriously here. Is it really all about looks? Does anyone else see how petty this is?

I will contend that the manufacturers have the capability to build a premium device that incorporates all the essentials. Why don't they? Because people that feel elimination doesn't bother them, accounts for most of the profits manufacturers and carriers make by leaving them out.

It's that simple. This isn't innovation or, as some like to refer as advancements, it's the industry holding the ...
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The Victor

Apr 14, 2015, 10:00 AM
It has nothing to do with looks to me, what new phones are out there that have both an accessible battery and SD slot and are up to par with galaxy devices?

and yes they definately do have the ability to be able to incorporate everything but it comes at the expense of other things such as the build quality an other things.
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Brad K

Apr 14, 2015, 10:15 AM
I don't get the idea that they removed something consumers love for profits. Wouldn't it make more sense that if there is a huge market for removable memory they would take advantage of that and keep that option? Wouldn't that lead to more profits?

I think it's much more likely they found through marketing studies that people have a much more positive user experience with phones with built in memory. Due mostly to the high fail rates of SD cards (especially cheap ones) resulting in lost data that inevitably gets blamed on the phone manufacture rather than the SD card.

So you end up with contradicting studies that show both, in general, people would rather buy a phone with removable memory AND people have an overall better user exper...
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Slammer

Apr 14, 2015, 3:18 PM
---"I think it's much more likely they found through marketing studies that people have a much more positive user experience with phones with built in memory. Due mostly to the high fail rates of SD cards (especially cheap ones) resulting in lost data that inevitably gets blamed on the phone manufacture rather than the SD card."---

I'm far too busy today to carry on a long conversation about your rebuttal. However, your paragraph above seems to conjure up a contrast. While I understand what you're saying, I would find it easier to blame a device where everything is imbedded into it rather than being able to pull the card and point out to the customer that it is the culprit. Two separate pieces. Is it the phone or the card? If it's removab...
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Brad K

Apr 14, 2015, 5:12 PM
"I would find it easier to blame a device where everything is imbedded into it rather than being able to pull the card and point out to the customer that it is the culprit. Two separate pieces. Is it the phone or the card? If it's removable and replaceable, the phone is free of blame. If its imbedded, it's now part of the phone and linked directly to the phone."

I fully agree with you there. However you and I are in the minority when it comes to having a higher level of consumer knowledge. It doesn't matter if there is a reasonable explanation to give the customer that shows blame is not on the phone itself, once their irrationally pissed off no rational explanation can change that. If you deal with customers in any way in the wireless...
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Slammer

Apr 14, 2015, 7:27 PM
Well, I'm not sure my consumer knowledge is more than others, but, I am a consumer first and foremost. I could give two craps about the profits the industry is making. I do, however, care how much choice it is taking away from many in order to achieve these profits.

People seem to think that those fighting for SD cards and removable batteries are adversaries to those that don't care. This is a fallacy. We have never asked for those to give up onboard memory or for them to pay attention to the batteries. What we are asking from them is to accept both and ignore the options as if they didn't exist and just use the onboard memory. This is far more civil and less selfish than telling someone to just suck it up and move on. Is it really doing ...
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Brad K

Apr 15, 2015, 2:00 PM
I get what your saying and fully agree. I personally prefer having the removable memory.

It just seems that every time a company does something that people don't like and they don't know/don't understand the reasoning they immediately jump to "they are evil and doing everything they can to screw us out of every dime." I am offering a very reasonable alternative to why they would make the change other than profits. If the studies show the customer experience is overall better with on board memory vs. removable then they have to make a decision; do we trade off consumer choice for more reliability and better overall customer experience? The clear choice would be reliability and better customer experience, any company would make that cal...
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Zpike

Apr 20, 2015, 11:30 AM
>> I am going to keep an open mind and know there are multiple reasonable explanations as to why they would do this.

I would hope that would mean that you are willing to look at the whole picture and see where the technology innovators are pushing us. While the cloud is absolutely awesome, I don't want all my personal data there. I don't want all the key features of my devices to be dependent on it. It is a nice supplementary feature. But why spend close to $1,000 on a device that may only barely function if it can't connect to the cloud? I'm sorry, but I want more control of my device and my data. I think many other people would feel exactly the same way if they had the understanding of technology that I do. And so it is hard for me to b...
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Brad K

Apr 20, 2015, 2:57 PM
If the need for localized data is that large wouldn't a company be able to profit from filling that need?

You can't say that companies are just exploiting areas for profit while at the same time claiming they are walking away leaving a huge gap in the market.

If it were true that there is as big of a demand as you make it out to be then you have an amazing opportunity to create a product to fill that demand that the bigger guys are moving out of and become rich yourself.

But since no one seems to be moving into that market and the big companies seem to be moving out of that market, it makes me believe there isn't as much demand as you think.
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Zpike

Apr 20, 2015, 3:38 PM
>>If the need for localized data is that large wouldn't a company be able to profit from filling that need?

Ever been to Best Buy and seen all the hard drives, NAS drives, dvd-r's, cd-r's, and memory sticks on sale?

>>You can't say that companies are just exploiting areas for profit while at the same time claiming they are walking away leaving a huge gap in the market.

Umm.... if you hadn't noticed Samsung is the worldwide leader in NAND Flash memory.

https://fstoppers.com/gear/samsung-jumps-out-sd-micr ... »

They are also the second largest processor manufacturer in the world.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-in-a-race-to-build- ... »

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Brad K

Apr 21, 2015, 4:59 PM
I thought it was clear we were talking about localized memory in smartphones, not all forms of localized data...

"Right, because I have the requisite billions of dollars and scientific expertise to start producing NAND memory in a competitive manner and quickly enough to save that market before it dies."

If you can put together a viable business plan and demonstrate a need in the market for a product that isn't there or other companies are not making anymore, then you can take that proposal to a venture capital firm and have no issue getting funding. No issues so long as you can sufficiently demonstrate that there is a demand and it is profitable to sell phones with removable memory. And if it's not profitable to make those anymore t...
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Zpike

Apr 22, 2015, 12:24 PM
>>I thought it was clear we were talking about localized memory in smartphones, not all forms of localized data...

We're talking about the demand for localized data, period. You can't just pretend that cell phones are some kind of special exception. And if you really believe they are, then you need to justify why.

>>If you can put together a viable business plan and demonstrate a need in the market for a product that isn't there or other companies are not making anymore, then you can take that proposal to a venture capital firm and have no issue getting funding. No issues so long as you can sufficiently demonstrate that there is a demand and it is profitable to sell phones with removable memory

Right, because it's a normal everyday ...
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Zpike

Apr 20, 2015, 11:08 AM
>>It doesn't matter if there is a reasonable explanation to give the customer that shows blame is not on the phone itself, once their irrationally pissed off no rational explanation can change that.

Then does it make sense to serve the interests of the rational customer or the irrational one? Because you seem to arrive at the conclusion that the interests of the irrational customer (who can't be pacified in the first place) take precedence over those of the rational customer.

>>Plus most people wont even complain about it to give you a chance to explain to them what happened, they just swear to never buy products from [insert company name here] again because they have a bad opinion of them.

People like that will soon run out of manu...
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Brad K

Apr 20, 2015, 2:43 PM
"Then does it make sense to serve the interests of the rational customer or the irrational one?"

Not when the irrational vastly outnumber the rational.
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Zpike

Apr 20, 2015, 2:50 PM
>>Not when the irrational vastly outnumber the rational.

I think that is a bad assumption biased by a constant barrage of customer support calls which only represent a small fraction of your actual customers.

But if you truly do believe the vast majority of people to be quite irrational, how is it that you hope the free market will ever win?
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Brad K

Apr 21, 2015, 4:22 PM
All I can do is fight for whats right. Not into the "if you can't beat em, join em" philosophy.
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Zpike

Apr 22, 2015, 12:25 PM
You missed my point entirely.
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Zpike

Apr 20, 2015, 11:01 AM
>>Can we at least agree this is very plausible reasoning for going away from removable memory

Another plausible explanation is that companies which are investing heavily in the cloud are pushing their customers onto it, whether they want to be there or not. One step in that direction is the removal of expandable memory. The difference between our two explanations is that yours is based on the conjecture that all of these companies have independently arrived at the same conclusion through marketing surveys no one has even seen. While, on the other hand, my explanation is based on the easily verifiable observation that all of these companies are investing heavily in the cloud and thus have an incentive to push customers in that direction, ...
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