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Zpike

Mar 30, 2015, 2:35 PM
I hope congress does get involved. We probably need some internet specific legislation that recognizes the internet as a marketplace in and of itself (probably the largest marketplace in the world), and that prevents companies like Verizon from abusing it. Furthermore, we need some legislation that busts up these telecommunications giants and prevents them from having monopolistic influence over the market. I have no problem with new legislation that more specifically addresses the needs of the internet and with classifying ISP's under that legislation instead. I have always maintained that Title II is not a perfect solution, but has up to this point been the best thing on the table.
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jhr2112

Mar 30, 2015, 2:47 PM
I agree, but with the current republican atmosphere in congress, it will only get worse.They tend to give these big corporations what they want, not what is good for consumers..
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Brad K

Mar 31, 2015, 1:06 PM
How exactly does it benefit big corporations to do things that are not good for consumers? The whole basis behind net neutrality is to prevent companies from doing things that are against their own interests. If it's bad for consumers then it's bad for the corporation's long term sustainability and you don't need government intervention to stop them from doing things that could cause them to go under themselves.

Also, you people need to cut it with the "monopolistic" claims. There are plenty of options out there.
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Zpike

Mar 31, 2015, 1:59 PM
>>How exactly does it benefit big corporations to do things that are not good for consumers?

What, are you from the camp that believes that slave owners didn't benefit from owning slaves? It is in corporate interest to do as little as possible for as much money as possible. It is in consumer interest to get as many goods and services as possible for as little money as possible. While it is true that both need each other in order to strive, their motives are nonetheless diametrically opposed.

>>The whole basis behind net neutrality is to prevent companies from doing things that are against their own interests.

Ok, you have really misunderstood what net neutrality is. Or you are just trying to make it about what you want it to be abo...
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jhr2112

Mar 31, 2015, 4:37 PM
There are plenty of monopolies..In central Texas where I live, unless you live in Austin where you have plenty of competition, there is only one choice if you want high speed data..And that is true in most of the country unless you live in a large city..I'm 300 feet from Austin in Pflugerville, I have the choice of Suddenlink..That's it..Austin has Google fiber Att, Time Warner, Grande..The government should get involved and get rid of these local exclusive deals made by crooked local officials..
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Brad K

Mar 31, 2015, 4:48 PM
Here are a few of your options in Pflugerville: http://internetprovidersbyzip.com/zipcode/786 60

Internet Services Available in Zip Code 78660

Local 78660 Area Internet Providers

AT&T

AT&T U-verse

CenturyLink®
Clear

DataJack

dishNET

EarthLink

EarthLink Dial-up

Exede

NetZero

Suddenlink

Time Warner Cable

Windstream



Again, there are plenty of options out there.
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Brad K

Mar 31, 2015, 4:44 PM
You really have a disappointing view of the world. It's unfortunate that you think every single person out there is just trying to "do as little as possible to make as much money as possible" or trying to "get as many goods and services as possible for as little money as possible". There are more honest caring people out there than you think, and that includes businesses, both big and small.

I urge you to real Commissioner Pai's statement on net neutrality.(http://www.fcc.gov/article/fcc-15 -24a5) He addresses much of what we have talked about.

Here is a quote from it regarding how there's no real reason this started: "So why is the FCC changing course? Why is the FCC turning its back on Internet freedom? Is it because we now have e...
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Slammer

Mar 31, 2015, 6:58 PM
---"There are more honest caring people out there than you think, and that includes businesses, both big and small."---

I have no doubt there are caring and honest people out there. But, we must also come to the reality that laws and rules often keep people or businesses honest and caring.

There are a few people I would love to smack into another dimension if I could. Fortunately, laws prevent me from carrying through with this wish. 🙂

John B.
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Brad K

Apr 1, 2015, 5:37 PM
Is it just laws preventing you from doing that? If you could go around smacking people into another dimension I bet that wouldn't last long before you smack the wrong person and get your ass kicked(or worse). There is more (and frankly better) reasons to not do something other than "because it's illegal".

I would like to do business with the company that is naturally honest and caring rather than the one who's just doing it because it's the law.
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Slammer

Apr 1, 2015, 6:08 PM
Is that what you think of me? That I would intentionally go around and smack people? Is that all you got out of my rebuttal?

Let's face it. There has to be one or two people in your lifetime that you just wanted to punch in the throat for being a dbag. Right?

John B.
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Brad K

Apr 2, 2015, 10:09 AM
You said
"There are a few people I would love to smack into another dimension if I could. Fortunately, laws prevent me from carrying through with this wish."

If it's just the law preventing you from physically harming someone then no, I do not think highly of you at all.

There are more than one or two people I wanted to punch in the face. But between the fact that hitting them will really do no good in the long run and my concern that they could be an insane person who would freak out and kick my ass or worse is better reason not to do it. And for some reason I feel like I need to clarify that I am not saying that assaulting someone should be legal, there just should be better reasons for you not to assault someone.
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Zpike

Apr 2, 2015, 11:13 AM
>>I feel like I need to clarify that I am not saying that assaulting someone should be legal, there just should be better reasons for you not to assault someone.

Brad, I feel like you're missing the point again. The world is full of unethical people who don't have the same values you do. They don't ascribe themselves to any "better reasons". We need laws in order to prevent people like that from harming others. Slammer was more or less playing the devil's advocate, not professing that he lacked the moral fiber to refrain from striking someone.
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Brad K

Apr 2, 2015, 12:13 PM
I feel like you missed my point, anytime your harming someone else there should be laws preventing that. However in a case of a company treating their customers poorly that is not someone doing harm to someone else, that's poor business practices. They chose to be a customer of that company and they can choose not to do business with them anymore, you can't choose for someone not to assault you.
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Zpike

Apr 2, 2015, 1:07 PM
>> you can't choose for someone not to assault you.

Sure you can. You can choose to leave the establishment where that person is, or not to go to certain parts of town. You can run away. You can kiss their ass when they become aggressive. This is basically what you're suggesting the American people do in regards to ISP's.
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Brad K

Apr 2, 2015, 2:55 PM
Yes, you can make choices to lower your chance of getting assaulted, sure, but if someone really want's to physically harm you for whatever reason they can do it. While if a corporation wants to screw you over for whatever reason, action on your part to do business with them needs to be taken first.
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Zpike

Apr 3, 2015, 9:32 AM
You really don't see that the reasoning is the same?
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Slammer

Apr 2, 2015, 4:02 PM
I can assure you that my social ethics are far more docile than you take me as. I'm actually quite non-confrontational. My comment was based on a diverse society where people often do restrain themselves in the sake of governing. I am ashamed to admit that several of my friends have the capability to act if not restricted by laws. It doesn't necessarily make them bad people. But, it does show that this is the reason laws and regulations are in place and to those that can show respect of the limits placed on them. They simply are not going to jail for some idiotic imbecile. And I respect the laws to protect me from the same people.

I admire your caliber of sensitivity towards mankind. However, as I mentioned diversity, an individual's eth...
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Zpike

Apr 2, 2015, 10:45 AM
>>I would like to do business with the company that is naturally honest and caring rather than the one who's just doing it because it's the law.

You probably need to stop buying 90% of the products you buy then.
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Brad K

Apr 2, 2015, 12:15 PM
Unfortunately it's impossible to tell. If it were, I and many others would, which would open up that market for competition to move in.
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Zpike

Apr 2, 2015, 1:30 PM
Really? Are you going to stop wearing jeans and shoes, because they're all made in sweatshops? Are you going to stop buying Apple products because of the horrid conditions of the factories in China? Are you going to stop buying most other electronics products because they're made under similar conditions? Are you going to stop eating most meats because of the unethical conditions the animals are kept in? Are you going to stop eating at most restaurants because the meat they use comes from the same places? Are you going to stop buying most vegetables because of the genetic engineering and the way they are ruining local farms? Are you going to stop buying medicine because a small handful of pharmaceutical companies produce all of our medicine...
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Brad K

Apr 2, 2015, 3:24 PM
>Are you going to stop wearing jeans and shoes, because they're all made in sweatshops?

Nope, I don't care about that. But I'm probably in the minority here. If enough people did tho then we would get other options. And I guarantee you that ALL clothing is not made in sweatshops, and if I did care, I would go out of my way to be sure I bought the cloths that aren't. But those cloths are more expensive

>Are you going to stop buying Apple products because of the horrid conditions of the factories in China? Are you going to stop buying most other electronics products because they're made under similar conditions?

Nope, I don't buy Apple products because they are over hyped and over priced for what you get. Also, if we had more se...
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Zpike

Apr 2, 2015, 10:43 AM
>> It's unfortunate that you think every single person out there is just trying to "do as little as possible to make as much money as possible"

Stop right there. I never said that Brad. That statement is completely out of context. But if you can't realize that profits are the driving force behind mega corporations, then I would urge you to step outside your front door once in a while.

>>or trying to "get as many goods and services as possible for as little money as possible"

Right. because nobody lives on a budget, uses a coupon,
shops multiple stores online for deals, or uses a discount card at stores they frequent. The truth is that most people are perfectly ok with getting as little as they possibly can out of their dollar. Is ...
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Brad K

Apr 2, 2015, 12:20 PM
"But if you can't realize that profits are the driving force behind mega corporations, then I would urge you to step outside your front door once in a while."

That has been my point. There is nothing wrong with the profit motivation, without it technological advancement would slow to a crawl.

What do you think happens to profits when the customer gets treated like crap? It's in the companies best interest to keep the consumer happy to keep those profits up.

With more profits the business can expand, meaning hiring more people and adding to the overall economy.
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Zpike

Apr 2, 2015, 1:34 PM
>>What do you think happens to profits when the customer gets treated like crap? It's in the companies best interest to keep the consumer happy to keep those profits up.

Man. We've been over this again and again. Under crony capitalism businesses don't have to care about their customers because the government guarantees their success. Can't you see that is what is happening with ISP's? It's as plain as the nose on your face.
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Brad K

Apr 2, 2015, 3:31 PM
"government guarantees their success."

Government should NOT be guaranteeing their success, allow them to run themselves out of business to make way for better businesses.
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