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VCAST Music Disables MP3 Playback

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Guess I Won't Be Usin' VCast Music Then..

SystemShock

Jan 9, 2006, 5:11 PM
Way ta go, Verizon and Microsoft.What do y'all do for an encore, gargle stale peanut butter or set yourselves on fire wit' a crack pipe? Shocked

Guess my iPod ain't goin' away anytime soon. 'tween the 100 song limit on the ROKR, VCast Music's stoopid messin' over of mp3s, an' Sprint's alleyway robbery $2.50/song charge, seems like all the big carriers are screwin' the pooch when it comes to music downloads. Therefore, who needs 'em?
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eric Lin

Jan 9, 2006, 5:24 PM
if you have mp3s, phones other than the upgraded verizon models and the ROKR still play an unlimited number of mp3s. the SE walkman phones do an excellent job of it too, even using the id3 tags to sort your music by artist and album. it will even play back itunes encoded m4a files, just not m4b files you purchase from itms.
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VzwRsR

Jan 9, 2006, 5:30 PM
WMA I believe is a direct result of the patnership with MS since MS does not own the MP3 rights and VZW has to protect its vestments by haveing a DRM which will help prevent piracy and transfering of files without rights.
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Something Tough

Jan 9, 2006, 6:28 PM
From what I've been trained (but not able to test) is that Windows Media Player will allow you to transfer any MP3 on your computer onto your VCast Music phone. During the transfer the files will be transfered to whatever the correct file format is. The files on your computer remain as is. Therefore if you have a thousand MP3s on your computer you can transfer any of them to the phone without having to recode them on your own.

In short, no your phone won't play MP3s, but the file transfer process will automatically recode them on your phone. So basically it will play your MP3s, just not as MP3s.

Again, this has never been tested by myself, and by no means a guarantee.
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SystemShock

Jan 9, 2006, 6:38 PM
Yeah but WMA is a lossy compression scheme. Meanin' that you'd lose audio quality when your mp3s get auto-converted over to WMAs.
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kvazzz

Jan 9, 2006, 11:50 PM
hmm... It's the cellphone shock. Don't throw a stone at me, I'm just pointing that if you need the great sound, get yourself an Shuffle. Smile

Rip the CDs all over again directly to WMA. WMP10 an do it.

Actually, get a SoundForge, excellent Sony software to convert between the formats.
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SystemShock

Jan 10, 2006, 3:26 AM
kvazzz said:
hmm... It's the cellphone shock. Don't throw a stone at me, I'm just pointing that if you need the great sound, get yourself an Shuffle. Smile

Way ahead of ya on that one, Kvazz. One gig 'shuff, biatch! AND a Mini. Smile


Rip the CDs all over again directly to WMA. WMP10 an do it.

I don't WANT to rip all my CDs to WMA all over again, kvazz. I got literally THOUSANDS of tracks. It would take forever, sry. Sad

Re-ripping also doesn't help me at all with the part of my collection that is iTunes downloads... they would have to be convered to WMA, and them being converted to would cause a loss in sound quality, since again, WMA is lossy.

These are pretty obvious issues...
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kvazzz

Jan 10, 2006, 11:25 PM
I've never purchased a single song from itunes (I buy them elsewhere), so I guess I'm not gonna have a problem.


I don't WANT to rip all my CDs to WMA all over again, kvazz.


Well, what DO you want? Free cheese? Look in the mousetrap, I think they have some left... Smile

No need to get all pissy about something we haven't seen. Besides, how much money are you planning on spending for the memory cards if you need a 1000+ songs. Laughing Actually, you know you can just leave your computer overnight converting files. It's not gonna explode, I promise Cool
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SystemShock

Jan 11, 2006, 12:05 AM
kvazzz said:
Actually, you know you can just leave your computer overnight converting files. It's not gonna explode, I promise Cool

You aren't listening, KV.

To avoid the audio quality hit, I'd have to re-rip, not convert existing files. And the computer ain't gonna walk over and pick up each of my hundreds of CDs individually and feed it in, now is it?
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kvazzz

Jan 11, 2006, 1:03 PM
System, no offense, you're the only person who's bragging about the quality loss. How dramatic the loss gonna be, if anything? Do you have something to support your point of view? Confused
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SystemShock

Jan 11, 2006, 7:08 PM
KV, not tryin' to be a hardass or anything, but I really don't NEED anything additional to 'support' my view- its a well-known FACT that when you send a file thorugh lossy compression multiple times, you take a quality hit.

Would you like to hear it from a encyclopedia, if it'll make you feel better? :

Depending on the design of the format lossy data compression often suffers from generation loss, that is compressing and decompressing multiple times will do more damage to the data than doing it once.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossy »


It obviously happens. What's amazin' to me is that there's even a debate on whether or not its real.
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kvazzz

Jan 11, 2006, 10:21 PM
Lossy is when you convert 192kbps MP3 to 60kbps WMA

Lossless is when you convert 192kbps MB MP3 to 192kbps WMA.

right?
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SystemShock

Jan 12, 2006, 5:42 AM
kvazzz said:
Lossy is when you convert 192kbps MP3 to 60kbps WMA

Lossless is when you convert 192kbps MB MP3 to 192kbps WMA.

right?

No, not right. You're confusing bit rates with codec properties, bro. Its ok, let me walk you through it.

'Lossy' is a TYPE of compression where, when you run a file through it, you lose some information, NO MATTER WHAT. WMA, mp3, and AAC are all lossy codecs... no matter what bitrate you choose (even if its a high one like 256 kbps), you'll lose some data each and every time you run a file through the compression. Which is why you only want to compress it ONCE.

The BIT RATE (usually 64 kbps to 256 kbps) is something you set when compressing a file, but it doesn't...
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SystemShock

Jan 12, 2006, 6:24 AM
SystemShock said:
kvazzz said:
Lossy is when you convert 192kbps MP3 to 60kbps WMA

Lossless is when you convert 192kbps MB MP3 to 192kbps WMA.

right?

No, not right. You're confusing bit rates with codec properties, bro. Its ok, let me walk you through it.

'Lossy' is a TYPE of compression where, when you run a file through it, you lose some information, NO MATTER WHAT. WMA, mp3, and AAC are all lossy codecs... no matter what bitrate you choose (even if its a high one like 256 kbps), you'll lose some data each and every time you run a file through the compression. Which is why you only want to compress it ONCE.

The BIT RATE (usually 64 kbps to 256 kbps) is something you set w
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yeahright

Jan 11, 2006, 8:31 PM
and your going to load hundreds of cd's into your phone at one time? doubt it.
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SystemShock

Jan 11, 2006, 8:41 PM
Don' doubt it. 1 GB flash cards are startin' to become common... you could put 250 songs on one a' those, easy. Smile

Heck, they even make internal HARD DRIVES for phones, if ya keep up wit' your Phonescoop News:

Cornice today announced two new hard drives made for phones and other mobile devices. The hard drives are 40% smaller than first generation one inch drives but have significantly more storage and use less power thanks to perpendicular technology. They also feature better shock and drop protection than previous models. The drives will come in 8 and 10 GB models and will be available to manufacturers this quarter. Samsung uses Cornice's 3 GB drive in their i300 and the two companies have recently announced Samsung will use the ...
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csnowbordr

Jan 9, 2006, 6:42 PM
does anyone at all understand what is trying to be said here? i see some broken up english, but i still cant really understand what you are trying to say... maybe you sould lay off that pipe cuz you make no sense
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SystemShock

Jan 9, 2006, 6:55 PM
Sorry you feel that way. But I highly doubt you can't understand what I'm saying... you just don't like me throwin' in the slang.

That's ok, but if you want to hate, do it somewhere else. No one is forcin' you to read my posts, after all. Smile
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