Cingular Launches Push to Talk
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push to talk is trashy and annoying... spend your time and money on something better cingular... why would we need this really maybe for big buisness... but no one normal needs it... i mean cant you only use it with cingy ppl anyways... and um yeah.... cingy ppl can all talk 4 free.... just my thoughts... i hate when you here "beep" and then all of someone convo...
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i think the whole jist of it was business 😳 😲 😁 ! 😕
of course there will be average folks that will get it just to get it. but that is only a PLUS for cingular! 😉
of course there will be average folks that will get it just to get it. but that is only a PLUS for cingular! 😉
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I think he has a very vaild point.
Cingular isnt ever goin to have a PTT system that beats nextel. they are goin to run into the same problems verizon did. In order to PTT someone ...well yea they to have to have it. its very difficult to sell someone PTT when they dont know anyone on it. I couldnt for the life of me get to people to port from nextel to verizon when verizon launched it. Cingular is also goin to run into the same upfront problem of only have limited handsets. for well over a year verizon only had the v60P and OBOY was that a HUGE mistake. people what choices not forced to buy something cause its their only option.
This is goin to turn into just something else that cingular wasted their money on when...just like the fi...
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Cingular isnt ever goin to have a PTT system that beats nextel. they are goin to run into the same problems verizon did. In order to PTT someone ...well yea they to have to have it. its very difficult to sell someone PTT when they dont know anyone on it. I couldnt for the life of me get to people to port from nextel to verizon when verizon launched it. Cingular is also goin to run into the same upfront problem of only have limited handsets. for well over a year verizon only had the v60P and OBOY was that a HUGE mistake. people what choices not forced to buy something cause its their only option.
This is goin to turn into just something else that cingular wasted their money on when...just like the fi...
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yea that is true..
the problem though is the 5-8 second delay, 1-2 phones selections, data is struggling, and post and prepaid net additions are struggling.. i think they need to focus on umts/hsdpa launch and fixing their coverage a lot more then launching a horrible push to wait product with push to talk..
"just waste time energy and money"
very true, but dont forget channels, spectrum and capacity..
the problem though is the 5-8 second delay, 1-2 phones selections, data is struggling, and post and prepaid net additions are struggling.. i think they need to focus on umts/hsdpa launch and fixing their coverage a lot more then launching a horrible push to wait product with push to talk..
"just waste time energy and money"
very true, but dont forget channels, spectrum and capacity..
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I can see why a company would want to offer it. Just look at all the nextel subscribers. There are tons of applications that can benifit from PTT technology like construction workers, police, retail managers, etc. etc. the list goes on.
However I also agree that its a waste of money for both verizon and cingular to try and persue a good PTT network. If you cant storm the enemy you have to flank em'. And trying to compete with nextels PTT is like storming up the middle of a mined field guarded by heavy machine guns... Cingular and Verizon offer alot of services that nextel/sprint does not, and that's what will keep them at #1 and #2... Continue developing and enhancing your current services and look for new ones that havent been do...
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However I also agree that its a waste of money for both verizon and cingular to try and persue a good PTT network. If you cant storm the enemy you have to flank em'. And trying to compete with nextels PTT is like storming up the middle of a mined field guarded by heavy machine guns... Cingular and Verizon offer alot of services that nextel/sprint does not, and that's what will keep them at #1 and #2... Continue developing and enhancing your current services and look for new ones that havent been do...
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" I can see why a company would want to offer it. Just look at all the nextel subscribers. There are tons of applications that can benifit from PTT technology like construction workers, police, retail managers, etc. etc. the list goes on. "
very valid point though but if the ptt product is on delay like cingular's is then how will that help people? it wont.. especially police, retail, construction workers and others who need instant communications...
"However I also agree that its a waste of money for both verizon and cingular to try and persue a good PTT network. If you cant storm the enemy you have to flank em'. And trying to compete with nextels PTT is like storming up the middle of a mined field guarded by heavy machine guns... "
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very valid point though but if the ptt product is on delay like cingular's is then how will that help people? it wont.. especially police, retail, construction workers and others who need instant communications...
"However I also agree that its a waste of money for both verizon and cingular to try and persue a good PTT network. If you cant storm the enemy you have to flank em'. And trying to compete with nextels PTT is like storming up the middle of a mined field guarded by heavy machine guns... "
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I've had Nextel for a little over three years and currently have Verizon as well. I'm actually considering Cingular....yes, believe it or not.
PTT is a great feature for a lot of people (Nextel with 17 million subscribers). Two things about Nextel that are frustrating though...coverage, which is not nearly the coverage that Verizon or Cingular offer. The second is the fact that when you're on a PTT call, and someone tries to make a voice call to you, they get dumped into your voicemail. Alternatively they may here "please wait while the Nextel subscriber you're trying to reach is located". Beyond that, Nextel (iden) has ridiculously slow data speeds. Yes I know there a two way radio, etc....but that doesn't cut it for some users.
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PTT is a great feature for a lot of people (Nextel with 17 million subscribers). Two things about Nextel that are frustrating though...coverage, which is not nearly the coverage that Verizon or Cingular offer. The second is the fact that when you're on a PTT call, and someone tries to make a voice call to you, they get dumped into your voicemail. Alternatively they may here "please wait while the Nextel subscriber you're trying to reach is located". Beyond that, Nextel (iden) has ridiculously slow data speeds. Yes I know there a two way radio, etc....but that doesn't cut it for some users.
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look at this.. see when we have wonderful sound and well thought out opinions, we can have a debate/discussing and people will make sense..
well said.. 🙂
if it is ok with you, i would like to touch on some of your points..
“I've had Nextel for a little over three years and currently have Verizon as well. I'm actually considering Cingular....yes, believe it or not.”
Those carriers offer different things so many consumers could perhaps even have all 3. verizon for coverage, cingular for data, and Nextel for walkie talkie.
“PTT is a great feature for a lot of people (Nextel with 17 million subscribers). Two things about Nextel that are frustrating though...coverage, which is not nearly the coverage that Verizon or Cingular o...
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well said.. 🙂
if it is ok with you, i would like to touch on some of your points..
“I've had Nextel for a little over three years and currently have Verizon as well. I'm actually considering Cingular....yes, believe it or not.”
Those carriers offer different things so many consumers could perhaps even have all 3. verizon for coverage, cingular for data, and Nextel for walkie talkie.
“PTT is a great feature for a lot of people (Nextel with 17 million subscribers). Two things about Nextel that are frustrating though...coverage, which is not nearly the coverage that Verizon or Cingular o...
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I think you give away your biases with just your name, n18. I work for the Big Orange monster, and I'm by no means a huge fan of the service, but think you're belittling the genuine advantages that Cing PTT network has.
Coverage cannot be understated. Nextel may have had the market covered in cities, but outside of major metro areas & off major highways . . .? Also, the iDen technology is quite a limitation. It's not compatible with CDMA or GSM, so if Sprint wants to develop the Nextel network, they have to spend money on 2 different networks. Cingular only has to work on incorporating this PTT tech into the existing GSM network. In terms of hardware cost, there's relativly little.
There's also the compatibility factor: There's ...
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Coverage cannot be understated. Nextel may have had the market covered in cities, but outside of major metro areas & off major highways . . .? Also, the iDen technology is quite a limitation. It's not compatible with CDMA or GSM, so if Sprint wants to develop the Nextel network, they have to spend money on 2 different networks. Cingular only has to work on incorporating this PTT tech into the existing GSM network. In terms of hardware cost, there's relativly little.
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“I think you give away your biases with just your name, n18. I work for the Big Orange monster, and I'm by no means a huge fan of the service, but think you're belittling the genuine advantages that Cing PTT network has.”
Everyone is bias, my friend even you are. I always like to argue the devil’s advocate because it makes the conversation better. Many people on here are bias and if they only argue their point of view and don’t look at others the conversation is basically doomed. I know what the advantage is, but to beat out Nextel or sprint or verizon is very tough too do especially since cingular has a bad image name, not a great coverage area, and declining in subscriber growth.
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Everyone is bias, my friend even you are. I always like to argue the devil’s advocate because it makes the conversation better. Many people on here are bias and if they only argue their point of view and don’t look at others the conversation is basically doomed. I know what the advantage is, but to beat out Nextel or sprint or verizon is very tough too do especially since cingular has a bad image name, not a great coverage area, and declining in subscriber growth.
“Coverage cannot be understated. Nextel may have...
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You guys act like it was some monumental task to engineer PTT on Cingular.
Its cheap to implement. It already uses existing network infrastructure. It may win a few more key business accounts that were otherwise reluctant to switch to a GSM carrier without PTT.
Who cares if the phones are ass? Look at the i500 for nextel. The thing was an ugly brick, even for its time, but it was a complete hit with contractors and businesses.
The entire nature of PTT, or any other CB radio-like conversation, is non-realtime. Thats why voice delays and setup times are really unimportant. Its not like you get an instant chirp on nextel anyway.
Its cheap to implement. It already uses existing network infrastructure. It may win a few more key business accounts that were otherwise reluctant to switch to a GSM carrier without PTT.
Who cares if the phones are ass? Look at the i500 for nextel. The thing was an ugly brick, even for its time, but it was a complete hit with contractors and businesses.
The entire nature of PTT, or any other CB radio-like conversation, is non-realtime. Thats why voice delays and setup times are really unimportant. Its not like you get an instant chirp on nextel anyway.
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hey guys i just got ptt from cingular this week and i was hearing something where it would be compatible with other gsm companies if there using the same kodiak system for there ptt is this true?
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Beats me, wouldn't matter anyway, T-Mo does not have the capacity to implement it anyway...
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oh ok thanks for that just was asking since i herd that alltel was using this same type of ptt service.
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I know what the advantage is, but to beat out Nextel or sprint or verizon is very tough too do especially since cingular has a bad image name, not a great coverage area, and declining in subscriber growth.
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well, it is true that it is no compatible however, there can be dual mode phones, which will be in the mid 06 time frame for sprint. In addition, when and if Nextel’s iden gets phased out QChat will be a big play and that will be wonderful to see.
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Intra calling is usually fast with any solution out there, but many people including nextel’s subscribers what instant on the set up call. Why would someone get 5-6 seconds when they can have instant, especially when like mentioned before it can e
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Those carriers offer different things so many consumers could perhaps even have all 3. verizon for coverage, cingular for data, and Nextel for walkie talkie.
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Again, verizon and sprint have bigger networks then Nextel and look how they did with push to talk? Also, call waiting is a joke especially if you want to have a private conversation and on an important call.
Why would you want to spend $75/month on Verizon, $75/month on Cingular, and $75/month on Nextel (each before taxes), totalling $225/month on all three, when you could just spend $150 on Verizon for everything, $150 on Cingular for everything, or $150 on Nextel for everything? I don't know too many people, especi...
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🙄 Actually genius the PTT is geared toward NEW subscribers that want the PTT feature in a hip hi-tech company. How was NEXTELS PTT when it first came out? Personally I think having a conversation on PTT is ignorant and silly but hey there's a niche for it. Construction workers, etc yeah I can see it but everday people having PTT convos with three carriers is really just too damn much 😳
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iDen is going to go to the government and emergency services shortly after 2010, so where will all those corporate and small business users that rely on Nextel's PTT going to go. Cingular and Verizon realize this now and while it may seem as though the strides they are making in PTT are futile, there is a reason behind having such a service.
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I agree totally. If Cingular or Verizon could have PTT working well off-network, when it comes time dump the current Nextel phones, the companies will be forced to acquire new phones anyway. Sorry Nextel18, but it's the truth. Nextel's current network *will* be phased out and turned off, that was the whole idea of merging with Sprint.
Currently, Nextel's network interferes with hundreds of emergency and public safety communication systems. So, Nextel was offered a spectrum swap by the FCC.
As for the current Nextel network, I beleive the fully keep the infrastructure, but they must vacate the airwaves in the current spectrum. They'll probably salvage as much infrastructure as possible to be converted to Sprint PCS.
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Currently, Nextel's network interferes with hundreds of emergency and public safety communication systems. So, Nextel was offered a spectrum swap by the FCC.
As for the current Nextel network, I beleive the fully keep the infrastructure, but they must vacate the airwaves in the current spectrum. They'll probably salvage as much infrastructure as possible to be converted to Sprint PCS.
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Cingy has got nextel and verizon beat for coverage. Anywhere you get a cingular signal, you can use the PTT feature.
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I think it depends on a lot of things. With Nextel, You can't be in Devils Lake, North Dakota and PTT someone in Atlanta, Georgia. Cingular will have better PTT coverage, which may be better for some customers who otherwise may not have the option of PTT. Sprint's PTT, Verizon's PTT, and Nextel's PTT don't have the best coverage.
It's a matter of whether or not it works for *you*.
It's a matter of whether or not it works for *you*.
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Mr. Nextel - I won't deny you the faster call setup for Nextel's PTT, but that dominance won't last forever.
Moreover - Cingular's PTT trials to actual NEXTEL CUSTOMERS showed that over 4 in 10 would switch to Cingular's PTT product based on actual network performance. That proves that not all Nextel customers keep them for their faster call setup. Some users simply won't care that it takes 3-5 seconds to link up, if the actual throughput speeds are as good or better.
Personlly, I think you're completely wrong about the setup being the most important factor. The primary obstacle to ReadyLink and Push-to-Wait (VZ) is the slow back and forth time. That really makes conversations difficult. For many, many customers, waiting a handful...
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Moreover - Cingular's PTT trials to actual NEXTEL CUSTOMERS showed that over 4 in 10 would switch to Cingular's PTT product based on actual network performance. That proves that not all Nextel customers keep them for their faster call setup. Some users simply won't care that it takes 3-5 seconds to link up, if the actual throughput speeds are as good or better.
Personlly, I think you're completely wrong about the setup being the most important factor. The primary obstacle to ReadyLink and Push-to-Wait (VZ) is the slow back and forth time. That really makes conversations difficult. For many, many customers, waiting a handful...
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nextel18 said:
they need to focus on umts/hsdpa launch and fixing their coverage a lot more then launching a horrible push to wait product with push to talk..
"just waste time energy and money"
Nextel has horrible coverage in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming. I think they ought to focus on fixing their coverage a lot more before anything else.
Not to nark too much, but Cingular's coverage is far better than Nextel's. Cingular's areas are pretty well covered with GSM, it's the coverage of roaming partners that needs to be worked on.
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nextel18 said:
yea that is true..
the problem though is the 5-8 second delay, 1-2 phones selections, data is struggling, and post and prepaid net additions are struggling.. i think they need to focus on umts/hsdpa launch and fixing their coverage a lot more then launching a horrible push to wait product with push to talk..
"just waste time energy and money"
very true, but dont forget channels, spectrum and capacity..
Gee let's see. Almost EVERY wireless company is moving to offer some sort of PTT solution. Almost every wireless company sees PTT as an oppotunity to make money and offer a wanted product to the public.
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for the last time! ITS ALL ABOUT THE BUSINESS 😁
it will never be their stongest selling point ROLLOVER will. but with nextel being bought out from sprint and iden's shelf life (don't give me that nextel will be here till 2020 mess) it's almost the PERFECT time to get their ptt name out there.
i hear alot of people say flat out they are "only with nextel just for the ptt, other than that they suck and are expensive"
if big name competition came to town that may change.
for example: people-soft (pc company) had a large account with at&t/cingular (50,000 lines) or something crazy like that. their biggest threat to cancel was because they where looking into ptt. now BOOM! cingy got em covered and MORE coverage.
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it will never be their stongest selling point ROLLOVER will. but with nextel being bought out from sprint and iden's shelf life (don't give me that nextel will be here till 2020 mess) it's almost the PERFECT time to get their ptt name out there.
i hear alot of people say flat out they are "only with nextel just for the ptt, other than that they suck and are expensive"
if big name competition came to town that may change.
for example: people-soft (pc company) had a large account with at&t/cingular (50,000 lines) or something crazy like that. their biggest threat to cancel was because they where looking into ptt. now BOOM! cingy got em covered and MORE coverage.
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cellularman2006 said:
i try not to even mention vzw's ptt and neither does vzw themselves. because its horrible.
LOL. I got a laugh out of that. But, now that I think of it, I haven't really heard of Verizon's PTT outside of forums since it was released.
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Actually, I just went to VZW's website, and if I didn't alreay know, I would assume they didn't offer PTT at all.
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It's not really fair to compare ANYTHING to the v60P. V60 and all varieties of it were huge pieces of crap anyway.
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Actaualy I switched from nextel to Verizon PTT service. They have 3 motorola's, 1 LG, and 1 Kyocera. I personaly have a Motorola V65P color and it sure beats nextel here anyday. Maby not the PTT service, 2 second setep and 1 second conversation time. Verizon has alot better coverage than Nextel. And Verizon has the most reliable network in america. Nextel coverage where I am at and in alot of small areas is Non-Existient.
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