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Two Experts Say 'Everyone is getting it wrong'.

planethulk

Nov 17, 2014, 9:58 AM
Th guy who coined the term 'Net Neutrality' and a guy whose job it is to track how the internet's infrastructure work say that the Net Neutrality argument is wrong.

Source: Wired Magazine

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing/ »

This is a counterpoint argument from actual experts in their fields that contradict what some people keep claiming on this forum. Enjoy the read.
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planethulk

Nov 17, 2014, 10:00 AM
“The net neutrality debate has got many facets to it, and most of the points of the debate are artificial, distracting, and based on an incorrect mental model on how the internet works,” says Dave Taht, a developer of open-source networking software.

Sound like anyone we now? Lol
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Zpike

Dec 2, 2014, 6:01 PM
>>Sound like anyone we now? Lol

There's no doubt you're talking about me. But the author was talking about you. He supports my position for the most part. Or did you fail to notice that?

Don't worry, I've showed you many of the supporting comments in a separate post. We could always discuss them rationally, though I have my doubts you will allow that. If you even respond at all, it will likely be to either insult me or put some words in my mouth so you can argue with those instead of my actual points. But here's your opportunity to prove me wrong.
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Zpike

Dec 4, 2014, 1:07 PM
You proved me correct as your most recent response was nothing more than a dismissive insult.
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planethulk

Dec 4, 2014, 8:54 PM
Oh well, be sure and report that to someone.
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Zpike

Dec 5, 2014, 12:28 AM
LOL
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planethulk

Dec 4, 2014, 8:56 PM
Seriously, your one trick pony routine where you behave a certain way then claim everyone else is doing that is ridiculous and boring at this point.
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Zpike

Dec 6, 2014, 2:02 AM
I really have no idea what you're talking about. You should go back and reread all your posts and ask yourself objectively, "What I would I think of someone else who wrote that?"
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Slammer

Nov 17, 2014, 11:48 AM
---"What we should really be doing is looking for ways we can increase competition among ISPs—ways we can prevent the Comcasts and the AT&Ts from gaining so much power that they can completely control the market for internet bandwidth."---

Hasn't this been my argument all along? You barged into a post I made about AT&T regaining too much power(especially in regards to controlling the web traffic), and turned it into a political debate.

I don't entirely like the governement and I certainly hate politics. I just want regulations imposed on carriers that misuse the power. It's getting worse. I have no doubt in my mind that with free will, these carriers will push it to the extreme. Consuming what could be less and less of competitive ch...
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planethulk

Nov 17, 2014, 12:48 PM
Calling BS.
1ST I didn't "barge in" on anything. If you don't want oppositional discourse the only sure fire way for that to happen is to not post anything. Sorry if your arrogance leads you to believe that anyone who disagrees is 'barging in'. You were not on the crapper in your house. You are posting on a forum.

2nd This is now and always has been a political debate. Just because you don't like politics doesn't change the political nature of this subject. You said in a previous post that you supported Obama's proposals to turn the Net into a utility. That is political. Yes you decried ATTs power, but you also support government intervention to stop internet 'fast lanes' which is already how the internet is currently set up according t...
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Zpike

Dec 2, 2014, 4:11 PM
>>. You said in a previous post that you supported Obama's proposals to turn the Net into a utility.

The article you linked to supports that position as well, or did you fail to understand what you read once again?

>>but you also support government intervention to stop internet 'fast lanes' which is already how the internet is currently set up according to the experts in the article.

That's quite different from your previous stance that the internet is currently neutral. Care to publicly denounce that stance now? Or are you just going to pretend you didn't insist over and over again that the internet was neutral?

Furthermore, you have failed to appreciate the difference between the CDN's mentioned in the article and fast lanes f...
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Zpike

Dec 2, 2014, 3:43 PM
Here are some quotes from the article which make the exact points I have been making to you. I'm glad to see you support them.

>>“The fast lane is not a literal truth,” he says. “But it’s a sense that you should have a fair shot.”

>>the real issue is that such a small number of internet service providers now control the pipes that reach out to U.S. consumers—and that number is getting even smaller, with Comcast looking to acquire Time Warner, one of its biggest rivals.

>>the Comcasts and the Verizons may eventually have too much freedom to decide how much companies must pay for fast speeds.

>> It isn’t neutral now.

>>ways we can prevent the Comcasts and the AT&Ts from gaining so much power that they can completely control ...
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planethulk

Dec 3, 2014, 7:04 PM
The day you learn rational discourse is the day you become a real libertarian.

I like how you left the many points in that article that proved you were full of crap.
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Zpike

Dec 4, 2014, 1:00 PM
>>The day you learn rational discourse is the day you become a real libertarian.

Quit with the insults and making assumptions about me. This is what got you into trouble in the first place.


>>I like how you left the many points in that article that proved you were full of crap.

What do you want from me? Commentary on the entire article? You first.

Or heck, even raise some objections as to how the quotes I listed from the article actually DON'T support my position. Or list the quotes that support YOUR position. That is how rational discourse works. But just saying I'm full of crap and offering no real rebuttal is NOT rational discourse.

But since you won't participate in rational discourse does that mean you're admitting you'...
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planethulk

Dec 4, 2014, 8:50 PM
Let me know when you are done with that strawman.
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Zpike

Dec 4, 2014, 10:01 PM
Which one would that be? The one where I asked you to show where the evidence I provided from the article you linked didn't actually support my position? Or the one where I challenged you to produce the quotes that support your position or refute mine?

Seems to me you aren't up to the task.
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planethulk

Dec 5, 2014, 6:06 PM
No one cares what things seem to you. No one.
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Zpike

Dec 6, 2014, 3:19 AM
The more you post, the more evident it is that YOU care.
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planethulk

Dec 8, 2014, 9:15 PM
In the sense that there isn't net neutrality BECAUSE there are internet fast lanes, then yes that is true. There is not net neutrality in that sense. When I was speaking of neutrality, I was speaking in the sense that you and everyone else was using. There is neutrality of oppotunity. There is neutrality of fairness. Any company has the ability and the right to sign up to use a "fastlane" to provide content to their users. Just like anything else, upgraded services cost more money. So, a startup company would not even need to use a fastlane at first. If the market decided that this startup demanded the traffic, then this startup would then be able to afford it and provide the faster content. That is how it should work.
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