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Forget you At&t

PhoneMan23

Nov 10, 2014, 2:15 PM
would be a radical reversal of course that would in and of itself threaten great harm to an open internet, competition and innovation

Because your current business plan doesn't already accomplish this At&t&? Go F yourself At&t you stinkin Monopoly.

The Internet should be deemed a Utility and be treated that way.
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Slammer

Nov 10, 2014, 5:17 PM
---"would be a radical reversal of course that would in and of itself threaten great harm to an open internet, competition and innovation"---

The purpose of net neutrality is to preserve the open content of the internet. As usual, AT&T conducts itself to parry info in order to confuse and complicate the actual directive.

I really can't stand this carrier. My carrier may not be perfect but, the brutality that AT&T uses with its wealth and size, just turns my stomach.

John B.
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poncho524

Nov 10, 2014, 5:21 PM
I think both of you are far off-base.

More regulation and a more intrusive government won't help. It rarely does. It will only serve to shut down consumer options.
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Slammer

Nov 10, 2014, 6:54 PM
Not really off base at all. Before AT&T was dissolved of its monopoly, the government once said a regulated monopoly is better than unregulated competition. Well, the unregulated competition won out and AT&T was split up. Fast forward to today and we find competition is diminishing yet no solid regulations have been put in place to compensate. AT&T will continue to try and throttle unlimited customers in hopes that these consumers will take to tiered plans. Then we can expect AT&T to charge for any extras as it desires.

We need the government to regulate and monitor these carriers or you will be paying for a la carte services that normally would be free to the public on publically owned airwaves.

John B.
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poncho524

Nov 10, 2014, 9:35 PM
You're not thinking thru this. Or you're only thinking based on your emotions.

An ISP has every right to offer different plans at different rates. You have every choice to choose one or go to another provider.

An ISP has every right to throttle high-usage customers (as long as that user is aware of the arrangement), in order for that ISP to manage traffic to provide ALL their customers with a usable network.

Unless you understand the network usage/bandwidth needs, I'm guessing your view is just from the "i want anything and everything i can get because i'm me and i deserve it" frame of reference.

Decide now if you'll stand on principles and honesty, or if you'll be swayed by the whims of emotional arguments that only serve the ...
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brad162

Nov 10, 2014, 10:45 PM
Except for at this rate, soon only one real option will exist for customers and it will be Cable the way that the land-line companies are moving.

once this happens, we essentially have an pre-1980's OG AT&T style monopoly on here and if you're not old enough to remember what that was like (I certainly am not but coming form a techy family the stories were horrendous) This is certainly not what you want to happen, and it will happen if something is not done and soon!
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Slammer

Nov 11, 2014, 6:39 AM
It's not about trying to get everything for free. It's about trying to keep what is free. YouTube, Netflix, Hulu are all things we have access for free on the internet. We pay our ISPs for service but the access here after, becomes accessible without extra charge. Endless information available on the internet has all but eliminated the need for the encyclopedia, dictionary, thesaurus etc.

Allowing the carriers to pick and choose what their consumers have access to unless money is fronted, negates the very principle in which the internet is for. I'm not thinking on emotions or mental attachment at all. I'm thinking as a consumer that should have the access to knowledge freely shared by others 24/7 without having to fork over huge bundles o...
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PhoneMan23

Nov 11, 2014, 10:45 AM
Once again John you're not only the voice of reason but also an educator.

Yet, I can't help but feel this guy is a troll. No way anyone sane would think like he does if he wasn't receiving large sums of money to smear his idiocy around the internet.
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planethulk

Nov 11, 2014, 6:50 PM
He's not a "Troll". He is a dissenter against the socialist way of doing business.
Look, just like every other piece of socialist policy garbage, Net Neutrality sounds all warm and fuzzy upon first inspection. However, it has huge ramifications, and like the ATT spokesman said, wouldn't hold up in court. Let's first clear the air of anti ATT garbage. This isnt just ATT. This is every major carrier and ISP who disagrees with Obama's "utility" mess.
1st of all. I would agree that there should be little to no restriction of the end use experience concerning the Internet. The Free Market dictates the rules. If ATT or some other carrier/isp chose to charge extra, they would also expect to deal with the ramifications of such a move. ie lose busi...
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Brad K

Nov 11, 2014, 7:47 PM
All that matters to those type of people is that it sounds warm and fuzzy. They never comment on or even take a glance at the actual ramifications of it. Once it's passed, it's a success as far as they are concerned, move on to the next intrusion in the lives of the American people. It's more about good feelings than actual results.

You are absolutely right about government's role being the protection of individual rights. The problem is people seem to be confused about what those rights are. You do NOT have a right to things like cell phones and internet, those are a privilege that we are lucky that someone created and is making it available to us.

It's because of government regulations that we have these big bad immoral corporat...
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Slammer

Nov 11, 2014, 11:27 PM
Just like every other government limiter in these sites, you are expending too much energy in denouncing government involvement rather than viewing the actual case on how and why this has transpired.

These wireless carriers are asked on daily basis by paying customers to explain and fix billing issues that are in question. Unexplained add ons and so forth.When these errors happen on a repetitive basis, without repaired results, the customers have two choices:

Leave and hope the next carrier doesn't do the same(which we all know they do and follow) or,

2) Ask for an active investigation into preceeding wrong doing(s).

Which do you feel as more impact on getting the issues resolved? Set the freakin politics aside for a moment and a...
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planethulk

Nov 13, 2014, 11:58 AM
Your argument seems to be way off point. You are talking about billing issues not net neutrality. You, like many of your pro government intervention ilk, are conflating several issues to confuse the point. This isnt about billing issues (which can be resolved by contract law). This is about whether or not the government should be allowed to drastically alter something it does not own. And now you want us to think of it as insurance? Really? More Obama led insurance? Government run insurance has been a horrendous failure.
I can already see my ISP offering me the Bronze Plan eith 1/10th the speed and 5x the cost.
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Brad K

Nov 11, 2014, 10:28 AM
Of course the government said regulation is better, more power and control is the whole reason they run for public office in the first place. And here they are trying to gain more power and control by scaring the public into thinking that internet companies will start charging for access to specific things. They have already gotten America to overlook billions of tax dollars thrown away on "green energy" companies by scaring us with all these "predictions" on global warming, none of which have come even close to true. Don't let them scare you into giving them more power over the internet.
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KraventheRaven

Nov 11, 2014, 1:10 PM
I'll join you in your Tin-foil crusade brother!
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Brad K

Nov 11, 2014, 1:34 PM
How's life under a bridge?
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planethulk

Nov 11, 2014, 6:53 PM
Exactly.

Funny how products of the nanny state try to discredit anyone with a streak of independence.
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Slammer

Nov 11, 2014, 7:54 PM
---"Of course the government said regulation is better, more power and control is the whole reason they run for public office in the first place. And here they are trying to gain more power and control by scaring the public into thinking that internet companies will start charging for access to specific things."---

I'm too old to be scared of the government. However, what is worse? To be scared or ignorant? We are already witnessing the control of the carriers as they try to fly under the radar in trying to swindle the consumers. What makes you think the carriers wouldn't push the envelope further? You should be thanking the consumers for asking the government to look into matters rather than blaming the government for every little thing....
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Brad K

Nov 11, 2014, 8:19 PM
I'm not saying that everything the government does is bad. However everything that the government does is terribly inefficient and leads to degraded service with higher costs. The post office is my favorite example of government inefficiency, billions of dollars in losses every year. Some how UPS, FedEx, and DHL managed to make the home delivery business profitable, why can't the government. Healthcare is another great example that we are starting to see the effects of more government regulation, have you taken a look at your insurance rate increase yet? Up 23% from last year for me.

So if you truly think that without more regulation the ISPs will increase cost for access to certain things, then it sounds like we are looking at hig...
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planethulk

Nov 11, 2014, 9:03 PM
I'll say it.
Everything Gov does is bad.
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Slammer

Nov 12, 2014, 12:33 AM
---"The post office is my favorite example of government inefficiency, billions of dollars in losses every year. Some how UPS, FedEx, and DHL managed to make the home delivery business profitable."---

Yes and no.

UPS, FedX and DHL are designed around package delivery. The Postal Service is based on mail delivery. Since mail has given way to Electronic mail, the use of postal service has all but killed the game. Customers Email and the vendors use the package delivery of choice to deliver. This leads to a supporting fact that the postal service didn't react fast enough to compensate for upcoming email business.

John B.
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Zpike

Nov 12, 2014, 12:14 PM
>> Customers Email and the vendors use the package delivery of choice to deliver. This leads to a supporting fact that the postal service didn't react fast enough to compensate for upcoming email business.

So, you concede his point that the federal government was inept and ultimately failed where private business was able to create value for the American public and also earn a profit?
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Slammer

Nov 12, 2014, 1:08 PM
I would love to plead the fifth but, I can't really disagree with him on this as many of my friends work for the post office and have expressed their discernment of how things have been internally. However, it is basically to prove a point that I remain open to truth whether I disagree with other of his opinions.

I explained to him that even not giving full support to the government on every issue, I still recognize that government is not all bad and support the positive initiatives. He just hates government altogether. This is where failure begins. He's paying the government but not utilizing it as tool when needed.

John B.
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Brad K

Nov 12, 2014, 1:46 PM
I believe that the federal government is doing well at the one and only thing they should be involved in; National Security. We have the best and brightest military in the world by a long shot.

You're right that I am paying for the government. That is exactly why I am so furious about how inefficiently they spend my money. Using my money to put regulations on products and services I use that cause the price of those services to increase. They are taking us from every angle and all we can do is bend over and take it.
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planethulk

Nov 13, 2014, 11:38 AM
Nah, our National Security is worse off than it was 10 years ago by far.
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