White House Asks FCC to Classify Internet as a Utility
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I actually agree with Obama on something. The best way to move forward is to classify ISP's as utilities. I hope the FCC pursues this line of action.
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I disagree. More regulations always leads to higher costs and degraded service. Just look at what happened to healthcare, my rates are due to drastically increase this year thanks to Obamacare. This will be another example of the government doing something that they claim to have a positive outcome to try and help their approval rates but no one will actually look into and report on the results that come of it.
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>>I disagree. More regulations always leads to higher costs and degraded service.
So, why aren't you making the case that we overhaul all the crappy regulation, like the patent and copyright system and all the regulations that prevent new services from competing in markets these massive telecom companies are already in?
Because if we don't get rid of THOSE regulations then we desperately need THESE regulations.
>>Just look at what happened to healthcare, my rates are due to drastically increase this year thanks to Obamacare.
Please show how healthcare is even remotely like the telecom industry and how Obamacare is in any way similar to classifying a telecom industry as a utility.
>>This will be another example of the governm...
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So, why aren't you making the case that we overhaul all the crappy regulation, like the patent and copyright system and all the regulations that prevent new services from competing in markets these massive telecom companies are already in?
Because if we don't get rid of THOSE regulations then we desperately need THESE regulations.
>>Just look at what happened to healthcare, my rates are due to drastically increase this year thanks to Obamacare.
Please show how healthcare is even remotely like the telecom industry and how Obamacare is in any way similar to classifying a telecom industry as a utility.
>>This will be another example of the governm...
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I am in favor of overhauling all the crappy regulations.
I did not say that healthcare is like the telecom industry. What I am saying is that when government gets involved in something the cost always goes up. Healthcare is a very recent example of where the government got more involved and costs went up.
I did not say that healthcare is like the telecom industry. What I am saying is that when government gets involved in something the cost always goes up. Healthcare is a very recent example of where the government got more involved and costs went up.
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>>I am in favor of overhauling all the crappy regulations.
Great! Then were on the same page on that one.
>>What I am saying is that when government gets involved in something the cost always goes up.
I agree, but the government is already heavily involved in telecommunications and the prices are steadily rising. I have no plausible reason to believe that classifying these companies as utilities will raise prices any more than they're already going up.
If I can't have a competitive market then I will take utilities over the colluding conglomerates we have today.
>>Healthcare is a very recent example of where the government got more involved and costs went up.
Yes, but the type of government involvement in the Affordable Ca...
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Great! Then were on the same page on that one.
>>What I am saying is that when government gets involved in something the cost always goes up.
I agree, but the government is already heavily involved in telecommunications and the prices are steadily rising. I have no plausible reason to believe that classifying these companies as utilities will raise prices any more than they're already going up.
If I can't have a competitive market then I will take utilities over the colluding conglomerates we have today.
>>Healthcare is a very recent example of where the government got more involved and costs went up.
Yes, but the type of government involvement in the Affordable Ca...
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More regulation and a larger government hardly ever helps. It just opens the door for corruption and govt-sanctioned monopolistic behavior.
Dont give in to the emotional, empty arguments made by people that just want political control.
Dont give in to the emotional, empty arguments made by people that just want political control.
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>> It just opens the door for corruption and govt-sanctioned monopolistic behavior.
What do you think we have now?
>>Dont give in to the emotional, empty arguments made by people that just want political control.
This argument is hardly emotional or political. Why don't you try researching the issue for yourself?
What do you think we have now?
>>Dont give in to the emotional, empty arguments made by people that just want political control.
This argument is hardly emotional or political. Why don't you try researching the issue for yourself?
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Except I would not classify a wireless service provider as an ISP. They are voice providers that offer data as an extra. They not really ISP's like a Comcast. So really this would not help with throttling on a cell phone user. If this does apply to wireless carriers then this would open a whole can of worms that I don't think Obama can win. What people fail to realize is that this may sound great but it is not like companies are just going to make this happen without a cost. If cost goes up prices go up. Look at health care. What will happen is the all you can eat data plans will then cost 50 or 100% more. If wireless providers even offer them anymore. Will you agree with Obama then?
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>>Except I would not classify a wireless service provider as an ISP. They are voice providers that offer data as an extra. They not really ISP's like a Comcast.
You obviously have no idea what constitutes an ISP. You may have an OPINION as to what an ISP is. However, the meaning of "ISP" isn't up for popular decision, and your opinion stands in direct contrast to the reality of what an ISP really is.
>> If this does apply to wireless carriers then this would open a whole can of worms that I don't think Obama can win.
Which can of worms would that be exactly?
>> What people fail to realize is that this may sound great but it is not like companies are just going to make this happen without a cost.
Either you're changing the sub...
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You obviously have no idea what constitutes an ISP. You may have an OPINION as to what an ISP is. However, the meaning of "ISP" isn't up for popular decision, and your opinion stands in direct contrast to the reality of what an ISP really is.
>> If this does apply to wireless carriers then this would open a whole can of worms that I don't think Obama can win.
Which can of worms would that be exactly?
>> What people fail to realize is that this may sound great but it is not like companies are just going to make this happen without a cost.
Either you're changing the sub...
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I don't agree with it, because remember when something is called a 'public utility', that means that it automatically becomes subject to a host of government regulations, regulations which basically amount to government control. We tolerate that level of government control of utilities because usually you don't have any other options, utilities are generally a monopoly, there is only one place to go to get your water or electricity, and we tolerate that level of government control because the utilities provide essential services and we don't want these monopolies to become predatory.
But I don't anyone can make a reasonable case that ISP are public utilities, for one thing they don't provide a genuinely essential service, as important a...
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But I don't anyone can make a reasonable case that ISP are public utilities, for one thing they don't provide a genuinely essential service, as important a...
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Right on point.
More government regulations mean the ISPs will be forced into doing more work to become compliant and be sure they stay compliant. That will of course raise the cost of doing business which will need to be made up for with increased rates for the customers.
Oh and don't forget, more regulations also means the government will have more work on their hands to put the regulations in place and to constantly be checking to be sure everyone is compliant. That's more of yours and my tax dollars, that we don't have to spare, spent just so the politicians can say that they are protecting you from those big, evil, greedy corporations.
More government regulations mean the ISPs will be forced into doing more work to become compliant and be sure they stay compliant. That will of course raise the cost of doing business which will need to be made up for with increased rates for the customers.
Oh and don't forget, more regulations also means the government will have more work on their hands to put the regulations in place and to constantly be checking to be sure everyone is compliant. That's more of yours and my tax dollars, that we don't have to spare, spent just so the politicians can say that they are protecting you from those big, evil, greedy corporations.
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>>I don't agree with it, because remember when something is called a 'public utility', that means that it automatically becomes subject to a host of government regulations,
But you're not complaining about the government regulations that created the problems we have now in the first place.
So, either we undo the regulations that created this mess and bust up these giant telecom companies, or we impose some regulations that make sense. Which is it?
>>We tolerate that level of government control of utilities because usually you don't have any other options,
Our options are diminishing every day under the current system.
>>utilities are generally a monopoly, there is only one place to go to get your water or electricity,
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But you're not complaining about the government regulations that created the problems we have now in the first place.
So, either we undo the regulations that created this mess and bust up these giant telecom companies, or we impose some regulations that make sense. Which is it?
>>We tolerate that level of government control of utilities because usually you don't have any other options,
Our options are diminishing every day under the current system.
>>utilities are generally a monopoly, there is only one place to go to get your water or electricity,
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If the only thing they were trying to accomplish was keeping the ISP's from restricting access or charging more for certain sites then I would be ok with this.
But when you read more into it and then go back and use common sense, NOBODY in Washington lifts a finger if there is NO money involved!
And just because its a utility doesn't mean its going to be a "good deal". I laugh every month when I get my gas and electric bill and see a spike in prices because of a hot summer or cold winter!
But when you read more into it and then go back and use common sense, NOBODY in Washington lifts a finger if there is NO money involved!
And just because its a utility doesn't mean its going to be a "good deal". I laugh every month when I get my gas and electric bill and see a spike in prices because of a hot summer or cold winter!
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