Cingular 3G To Launch November 1
UMTS will eventually win
B) Cingular has EDGE almost completely nationwide. Much faster speed to fall back on if need be, plus I'm sure they have agreements with all the providers to assist in the UMTS rollout.
c) And this is the big one everybody's missing: You can talk and browse at the same time on UMTS. Might not be as important for laptop card users, but (although they're a high dollar segment) isn't the biggest segment. More people buy Treo's, BlackBerry's and the like than laptop cards. They want voice (via bl...
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Its kind of Verizon's game to lose at this point. They could price too high and/or fail to promote their 3G, but if they are halfway smart they will have picked up a lot of 3G customers before Cingy's 3G even enters said customers' markets. And as we all know, VZW is pretty darn good at retaining customers once they have 'em. π
Not saying that Cingy can't do anything, but if you had to pick a 3G side to quarterback as an exe...
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I do, however, have insider information, not from any of the cell companies but from a major (and I mean major) corporation who develops servers and tower equipment that then gets rebranded by the likes of Lucent, Nokia and Ericsson. Their roadmap for wireless data is pretty short on the EV-DO regarding throughput and coverage and they've put their money behind the UMTS options.
Also, at least in my area, I still get faster speeds on my EDGE card than my roommates EV-DO card and he's supposedly got the right coverage and plans for it.
I guess we'll see. Cingy is certainly trying hard, and as in football, the miraculous come-from-behind victory is always possible (though not probable).
However, for what its worth, I think 3G may be the least of Cingy's problems, as the 3rd quarter results next week will spotlight. Down in the trenches, VZW really is seriously kicking their arse, and if Cingy can't fix that, everything else is kind of moot.
With TDMA having most of the market before CDMA goes live, TDMA will be the future, right?
Many of them seem to be pretty down because they say they're getting pinched on commissions more now than ever. The guys in the call centers are unhappy at how the call centers are run. Morale overall... is not very good. Those things matter a lot, even more than 3G, actually. Because if your reps aren't happy and are turning over too fast, that hurts you. If the customer calls up CS and gets a pissed off, negative CS rep, that hurts you too.
And my commissions have actually risen since the commission change that started in September.
Ok, so you're a Cingy rep. If so, then you know the morale problems up close and personal. What do you think caused them, and what should Cingy do to alleviate them?
My friend is a store manager at a Verizon store in the mall so I hear about their hiring practices. They look for things like how long someone's been working at the same company, ect. Cingular is a little more lax. AT&T was a LOT more lax from what I hear (that friend was an AT&T rep before switching to Verizon).
Cingular makes a change in commissions that gives you less money on certain sales but WAY more money on others. Sure, it's a lot harder to get those high commission sales but isn't the right thing to reward those who get difficult sales?
My overall activation numbers have gone down but my agent compensation has gone up. I'm okay with t...
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another example is a 2 line deal. instead of going with a FT plan, push 2 single lines (customer gets way more minutes this way, and the boyfriend doesn't have to take the stupid risk of signing a 2yr for his girl's phone) if you can do this and still upsell them to$60 plans instead of $40, that's a good salesman
Cool flexability to have your phone stolen easier! And everyone is entrenched in the hispanic market, not just Cingy!
U R not a rep! π
MobileMogul said:
They're very entrenched in the Hispanic markets, they're more flexible when it comes to things like changing rate plans, and of course the flexibility of having SIM cards.
Cool flexability to have your phone stolen easier! And everyone is entrenched in the hispanic market, not just Cingy!
U R not a rep! π
Actually, just report the IMEI stolen and you're pretty good to go. People have trouble keeping track of things like serial numbers, thier financial sitatuion, and thier children, but if you keep a record of all that stuff, it's relatively easy to report a phone stolen (in addition to the SIM card).
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I guess that is why so many phones are stolen all over Europe.
At least with ESN's they can track who activated your stolen phone.
Also, changing from one ESN that you own to another is as easy as a call away.
If you are a manager, than that explains even more about Cingular!
At least with IMEIs, they can track who put thier SIM card into your stolen phone!
Plus, there is not a current shortage of IMEIs right now, like there is a shortage of ENSs.
If you'd like to know more about the current ESN situation facing the CDMA industry, please visit this link:
https://www.phonescoop.com/articles/meid/ »
And, what does my job have anything to do with Cingular? Just because I'm an advocate of SIM cards doesn't mean I'm a manager at Cingular! I don't assume you're a manager at QualComm just because you're an advocate of ESNs.
And Cingular dominates the Hispanic market in Northern Virginia. Maybe I was being a little presumtuous assuming it's like that everywhere else.
Btw a lot of us, not all but a lot, like "latino" better than "hispanic". Maybe cus hispanic gets turned into a race slur so easily when the haters shorten it.
This is taken from another recent article on this site.
If your car is stolen, wouldn't you report both the license plate number and the VIN to the authorities and your insurance company? Or would you just say "My green car was stolen. I guess I'll just have to buy another one."?
In fact, GSM phone theft has the potential of being even more traceable than CDMA phone theft, because the system will extract both the IMEI of the phone, and the SIM authentication number, so if the IMEI is flagged, they can detect, by the SIM, which subscriber has the phone.
Trust me, not alla us brown folks like the term Hispanic much. Some think its a'ight, others prefer Latino or Latino-American. You don't hear me callin people gringo just cause its in the official Latino Street Dictionaryβ’ now do ya?
The people who want to offend, you can tell them a mile away, cus they make it real clear where they're comin from.
BetterThanJake said:
Yes, VZW did come from behind. But they are the best-executing, best-run company in the game. Cingy isn't. That's why I have a hard time imagining them pulling off what Verizon did.
Be careful what you say. Nextel18 will have your head on a platter when he realizes you don't believe that Sprint-Nextel is going to be the best run game and take over the world.
tropicalhaven said:BetterThanJake said:
Yes, VZW did come from behind. But they are the best-executing, best-run company in the game. Cingy isn't. That's why I have a hard time imagining them pulling off what Verizon did.
Be careful what you say. Nextel18 will have your head on a platter when he realizes you don't believe that Sprint-Nextel is going to be the best run game and take over the world.
ROFL! True dat. π
I kind of feel for Sprint-Nextel, actually. They are about to run into the same kind of network and corporate integation problems Cingy has, but its probably going to be even worse- Cingy and ATTW at least used compatible technologies.
Best thing for Verizon to do is a hostile takeover of Qualcomm because that company doesn't have an answer to HSDPA right now.
Plus imagine all the money Verizon will save once they own the rights to CDMA. π
Now, imagine all the money that VZ would have to fork over for legal issues...
As in "Verizon is awesome, but because they're stuck with CDMA, their GSM competitors will eventually put them out of business with superior technology, better phones, etc. etc.."
Yet here we are today, and Verizon is completely kicking Cingular's GSM butt... with CDMA.
Guess either CDMA was a lot better technology than the GSM zealots counted on, or Verizon simply ran their business better than the competition. Probably its a little of both.
The real kicker IS that Qualcomm is developing the technology FOR BOTH. So I'm not saying Verizon will lose because Qualcomm sucks, I'm saying Verizon will lose because Qualcomm is screwing them.
Why? There are more GSM customers than CDMA therefore developing the W-CDMA path means more money for those greedy punks.
What would actually be smarter would be for them to help each side equally, so as to maintain an 'arms race' hyper-competitive atmosphere where everyone is eager to upgrade to the latest technology on their side of the fence all the time, and pay through the nose for it.
Which is what I predict they'll do, long-term. Qualcomm isn't dumb.
sangyup81 said:
Well UMTS is actually a CDMA-based technology used over a GSM network called W-CDMA which is a Qualcomm technology.
The real kicker IS that Qualcomm is developing the technology FOR BOTH. So I'm not saying Verizon will lose because Qualcomm sucks, I'm saying Verizon will lose because Qualcomm is screwing them.
UMTS is no more a Qualcomm technology than the English language is legal property of England, and they get to collect roayalties from every person who speaks it. The W in W-CDMA stands for Wideband, and Qualcomm does not have any wideband CDMA technology that it developed, or else it would be collecting royalties.
tropicalhaven said:
UMTS is no more a Qualcomm technology than the English language is legal property of England, and they get to collect roayalties from every person who speaks it. The W in W-CDMA stands for Wideband, and Qualcomm does not have any wideband CDMA technology that it developed, or else it would be collecting royalties.
Qualcomm actually does own about 20 percent of the patents on the W-CDMA technology, and also of course provides a lot of W-CDMA chipsets and solutions.
Various handset makers and NTTDoCoMo own most of the rest of the patents:
http://news.com.com/Qualcomm+mum+on+licensing+plan/2 ... »
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