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Dear God, please don't tell Apple about this.

Rusty Shackleford

Jun 3, 2014, 1:26 AM
All we need is for Apple to discover that phone calls can be handled over wifi. They'll "enhance" Facetime's voice call feature so that anytime you call another iOS device it will be routed automatically through the internet. Then when you change from an iPhone to an Android you will find that no one with an iPhone can call you because a feature you didn't even know existed has hijacked your phone number and routed incoming phone calls to purgatory. Then when you find out the reason behind this you will attempt to fix it and find that you just can't break Apple's grip on your phone number.

Oh well, I'm probably just being paranoid. Apple is wonderful and they'd never break a cellular feature like that.
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The Victor

Jun 3, 2014, 11:05 AM
how was imesages a feature people didnt know existed it was a big differnce between other OS and has been around for years
and it was an easy fix at that. people just had no patience
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DarkStar

Jun 3, 2014, 3:04 PM
People didn't know that iMessage would make text message not work on other platforms. Also most people never even though of iMessage. Most people think its just their messaging app.
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The Victor

Jun 4, 2014, 12:03 PM
i know that but what do you expectyour turning on a featre if you dont turn it off or deregikster its gonna affect you in some way

if people thought it was their mesaging app it wopuldnt have been a huge problem you have to turn on imessages to use it so if noone knows about it it wouldnt be a problem
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T Bone

Jun 4, 2014, 12:26 PM
The problem is that people don't understand how the feature works, let alone how to turn it on or off. Apple deliberately attempts to appeal to people who are not tech savvy. I am constantly told by customers that they use the iPhone because it is 'easy' and they don't want to use Android because it is 'too complicated'....

So frankly it is dishonest of Apple to on the one hand try to appeal to people who don't understand how to basic things like turn off a feature, and then on the other hand say 'hey, if only our users were tech savvy enough to understand how this feature works and how to turn it off there would be no problem.' iMessage is something which is very easy for a non tech person to turn on, but very hard for them to turn of...
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AWorthingt

Jun 4, 2014, 3:37 PM
It's Settings -> iMessege -> Toggle off.... I don't see how it could be any more simple.

Not standing up for Apple, but saying that it is difficult to turn off is misinformation.
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T Bone

Jun 4, 2014, 5:19 PM
I said 'difficult for a non tech person'......i.e. someone who doesn't understand how to even find something like that and needs to have everybody do everything for them because they can't figure it out, which is how a lot of iPhone users are.
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The Victor

Jun 5, 2014, 7:28 AM
if you can turn it on its not difficult to turn it off, its the exact same whether your a tech person or not simple as that

imessages is simple, just like blackberry messenger used to be before they made it available to everyone
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T Bone

Jun 5, 2014, 11:10 AM
You are thinking like a techie, and it is clear that you have no idea how difficult this stuff is for no techies.

You wanna know how ignorant the average cell phone user is?

Look......I sell cell phones for a living...I also sell those little service cards for pre-paid phones.

Do you have any idea how many people are unable to renew their pre-paid service on their own and need me to do it for them, calling the number on the back of the card and giving the PIN? Probably at least 1/2 of the people who buy pre-paid service cards need to have the cards activated for them because they can't figure out how to it for themselves, it's 'too complicated'.....

I tell them 'oh this isn't hard, you just call this number and give them them t...
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The Victor

Jun 6, 2014, 4:59 AM
i wanna let you in on a little secret...PEOPLE LIE!!!
people say all kinds of things because theyre lazy and dont wanna do it themselves.

now i know thats not for everyone. for some people it might be which is why i had mentioned theres no reason for those real people its difficult for have no business having a smartphone as it is and if they do they still dont know how to turn on imessages so it wouldnt affect them

and you may be getting these cust because of the location you work in, try looking for a new place
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DarkStar

Jun 5, 2014, 4:02 PM
Its on by default. And nowhere in the phone does it say that if you leave Apple you won't get text messages.
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T Bone

Jun 5, 2014, 5:17 PM
I know that when I have activated iPhones for customers that I have never 'turned on' iMessage...never did it occur to me to do that...but I didn't know that it is on by default....wow, how odious. That is really loathsome behavior by Apple.
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The Victor

Jun 6, 2014, 5:00 AM
it has never been on by default, where exactly was this seenn at?
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DarkStar

Jun 7, 2014, 8:12 PM
um everytime I sell one. I have been checking to see if it was on by default.
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T Bone

Jun 3, 2014, 10:16 PM
People knew that iMessage existed, but most of them did not know that it works by screwing around with your relationship with your carrier, and if they did do this, most people would probably never use it.
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The Victor

Jun 4, 2014, 12:06 PM
like i said a little bit ago what do you expect if you dont turn it off or deregister, if you turn on the feature to use it you would think you need to turn it off so it goes back to normal

and it was an easy fix if you didnt, the resolutions been known for months just never posted on here
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T Bone

Jun 4, 2014, 12:32 PM
I'm trying to say this in a way that doesn't sound mean but I don't think I can.

The problem is that the people who tend to use Apple products are generally not smart to know how to 'deregister' iMessage, they aren't even smart enough to know that deregisteration is required, they aren't even smart enough to know deregistration means.

Apple products tend to appeal to people who don't understand tech, people who fear technology. I often have to show iPhone users how to do basic stuff like uninstall an app, or log in to their email. They certainly don't understand the kinds of technicalities and complexities that you are talking about.

And often it isn't the user that does stuff like turning on iMessage, it is the guy at the ...
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Yama Gama

Jun 4, 2014, 4:57 PM
C'mon in the aggregate the imessage problem makes it seem that people who switch from Iphone become shunned by all their friends. This effect is just WAY too close to apple's marketing suggestions to be unintentional.

Also, I agree, It's been like this with every apple product.

Imac:
Reasonable Person: "this is a slow PC for double price"
Apple User: "derp"

Iphone:
Me: "this is a cell phone with an mp3 player glued to it for double the price of each."
Apple User: "derp"
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T Bone

Jun 4, 2014, 5:23 PM
I think Apple tries to take advantage of the fact that their customers are not very tech savvy and don't understand technology.

I can't tell you the number of people I have met who think that the iPhone is the first smartphone, I point out to them that Windows Mobile, Blackberry and Palm all made smartphones are early as 1999 (i.e. 8 years before the iPhone) and they think I'm crazy.

And Apple people all seem to conveniently forget that the first phone with iTunes wasn't the iPhone, but the Motoroal RKR, one of the worst phones ever made.
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The Victor

Jun 5, 2014, 7:33 AM
they dont have to know the people that dont either call apple of their carrier, and dont try to say they dont because they always do, even for the smallest things

ive had to show people how to log in to emails on every OS, thats gonna happen

and yea i agree with you that people really arent that smart when it comes to their phones

as far as someone at the store turning it on for them cant comment on that because people do what they want maybe they do maybe not
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DarkStar

Jun 5, 2014, 4:05 PM
Its not an easy resolution if even after you turn it off it still doesn't send texts to your new phone.
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The Victor

Jun 6, 2014, 5:01 AM
ok that rarely happens and when it does all you have to do is be connected to apple to deregister it, if you dont wanna paid you have your carrier transfer you
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DarkStar

Jun 6, 2014, 1:59 PM
Apple has said time and time again that they cannot do that.
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The Victor

Jun 9, 2014, 7:33 AM
but yet they still do, its almost a daily thing where i connect someone to apoke for this because its the easiest way
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Rusty Shackleford

Jun 5, 2014, 3:02 AM
It literally hurt my brain trying to translate your post from Common Core (or whatever that was) to English. I feel I must translate it into something coherent in order to properly comment.

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How was iMessage a feature people didn't know existed? It is a big difference between other OSes and has been around for years. The solution to the iMessage bug is an easy fix at that. People just have no patience.
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If this translation is not what you meant to write then learn how to write.

1) Apple products are designed as lifestyle products that simply work and are not intended as toys for people who want to know how the underlining technology works. Honestly, considering that it is 2014 technology *should* be designed ...
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The Victor

Jun 5, 2014, 10:45 AM
1) who exactly is trying to determine how exactly imessages works? and why does anyone really need to know?

2) because theres no need to explain it because everyone should know its a messaging service for apple products
and just like applications with android and windows and bb they all have features that cant be installed because theyre not apps or are required to have it
imessages itself is a setting not an app

3) ive never seen anyone mistake an im app for a messaging app, dont see how that happens, shouldnt have a smartphone if that happens

4) and thats the way it should be but there are a few things needed

5) how exactly was it in secrecy you have to turn it on to use it

6)like i said if you have to turn it on to use...
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DarkStar

Jun 5, 2014, 4:16 PM
Nobody has to turn on the iMessage feature. Its on by default. And what do you mean no need to explain what iMessage is? Do you think people are just born with this information built into their brain? And many times people have been able to turn of iMessage but they still don't get texts from their friends and Apple has been unable to help them.
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The Victor

Jun 6, 2014, 5:04 AM
where exactly did you see that imessages os on automatically because its not

its not the fact people are born with the information, why does anyone need to understand the exact way imessages works? alll people need to know is its a feature that allows messaging between apple products simple as that, just like bbm

when has apple not been able to help them??? all they have to do is deregister them, i deal with the issue everyday

i garauntee if this happened with android noone would be saying anything,
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DarkStar

Jun 6, 2014, 2:01 PM
Every Apple phone I've sold in the past few weeks has had iMessage turned on from the start.

I didn't say they need to know exactly how iMessage works. I am saying most people don't even know what iMessage is. They assume its just their texting app. They have no idea that its not using SMS to other iOS users.
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Zpike

Jun 7, 2014, 2:29 AM
>>imessages itself is a setting not an app

You must be.
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The Victor

Jun 9, 2014, 7:35 AM
its not an app is a feature that they offer, do you donwload or install anything for it no, do you update imessages itself no its within the software, in no way is it an app
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Zpike

Jun 9, 2014, 9:32 AM
>>its not an app is a feature that they offer

I get that most of Apple's bugs are spun as features, but this one really is an app.

>>do you donwload or install anything for it no

I don't know how you install it, but it's clearly not part of the OS. But I'm glad to know that operating systems can run "features" that are something other than applications.

>>do you donwload or install anything for it no

I see. So, I can also update Internet Explorer through Windows update. So obviously by your logic Windows Explorer isn't an app either.

>> in no way is it an app

Except that it is an app in every sense of the word. In no way is it a "setting." 'Yes', 'No', 'On', 'Off', 'Red', 'Blue'.... if you haven't picked up on the patte...
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