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Where's the 3G video calling?

pauldg

Oct 12, 2005, 11:33 AM
i guess this is a buisness thing, not wanting a camera. but shouldn't a 3G phone support video calling? Data speeds are nice, but isn't there a segment of the corportate market that would benifit from video calling?

PS all of these look pretty nice
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Rich Brome

Oct 12, 2005, 12:14 PM
There are already a lot of 3G phones with video calling (in fact nearly all 3G phones so far). But business users more often need 3G but don't need (or aren't allowed to have) cameras. This has been a completely unaddressed market until now.

To be honest, video calling really isn't used by many people for much of anything. In Europe it's used mainly for video broadcasts, etc. That uses a lot of bandwidth, though, hence the carrier interest in technologies like DVB-H. Video calling in general is one of the least successful aspects of 3G. It sounds futuristic and great, but in the end it just isn't very useful for most people.
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nextel18

Oct 12, 2005, 12:20 PM
i think this trend will change and many companies as high speed data like hspda, rev a, wimax, and others will come out we will see the video calling features more and more. the problem is, no one wants a product with a lot of latency and it might be expensive. i think we will def see a market for this product/solution, however, not yet but perhaps in 2-3 years or so.
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adilus

Oct 12, 2005, 2:11 PM
But think about the phone sex industry... LMAO!!!!
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spartacus51

Oct 13, 2005, 5:14 PM
Video calling would drive most of them out of business... you don't think their operators actually look like the models they have on commercials do you? All crusty old women... emphazyma gives em that sexy raspy voice.
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nextel18

Oct 12, 2005, 12:18 PM
i would tend to agree, however, the speeds needs to be faster such as hsdpa and ev-do rev a. edge isnt that fast to do video calling.

the e70 has a camera but it will only be edge in the united states, but it will be on a 3g network in asia and europe of course. (first them last us.. )

it also depends how much does the video calling cost.

i also think that many carriers in asia and europe will come out with video calling first and united states will come out 2nd of course.

like i said.. its about deploying faster data speeds, not like edge, gprs, widen, 1xrtt and perhaps not even ev-do rev o. when ev-do rev a, hsdpa, wimax, ofdm, td-cdma and others come to the carriers then we will def. see video calling.

as i said the pro...
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Rich Brome

Oct 12, 2005, 12:28 PM
Video calling is already launched by many carriers in Europe and Asia using WCDMA. It doesn't require that much speed, (64 Kbps is actually enough,) but you're right about latency. WCDMA was specifically designed with video calling in mind, so it has a special circuit-switched mode for it. HSDPA is not required.

EV-DO release (the current version) doesn't support it because of latency and slow upload speeds (same at 1xRTT). EV-DO revision A will support video calling in theory...

But video calling hasn't been very popular in Europe and Asia, so it's not clear that US carriers will want to make the investment to launch it here. The available data seems to indicate that significant demand is simply not there for it.
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nextel18

Oct 12, 2005, 12:45 PM
but usually you need to reduce your latency and if you have slower speeds your latency would usually be greater which is not good for video conferencing or for anything else that you need pure communications. (and no latency)

yes, that is why i mentioned that the carriers that have 1x and going to get ev-do rev o wont be able to deploy it well anyway becuase of latency problems.

well, i think the trend in eureasia will change as more products and solutions and awareness gets out becuase this is a very nice and cool feature to have and we know that people love technology. problem is, people want perfection and a cost effective product/solution to use.

i am also a bit hesitant to say that united states carriers will do it, becuase i...
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pauldg

Oct 12, 2005, 1:25 PM
i also think that there is a market for it, and the orange 'n' blue 😈 wants to get their data revenue up any way they can! if they can market this right, and hopefully make it reasonably priced, it could work??
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nextel18

Oct 12, 2005, 3:39 PM
not just orange and blue it is just all the carriers with data arpu and data services.

it depends... i think if the price is right then yea, but otherwise no.

also hsdpa should be needed becuase of lower latency as well as other true 3g-4g networks. i knwo rich said that 64kb/s can work, but usually there is a lot of latency on that and with push to talk, video conferencing or anything like that you want to have the least latency which means going to the highiest data speeds possible. my guess is that in 2-3 years we will see more tv solutions out there and video conferencing... if i had to guess i think we will see tv solutions (that are better then the ones out there) before video calling.

opinions?
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zombywoof

Oct 26, 2005, 9:33 PM
Hardly anyone at least - I made it an absolute statement just to get your attention....

Think about non-mobile videophones.

Ever seen one?

The technology to support them has been around for decades. The erroneous notion that there would be a demand for them was a large part of the impetus behind the development of isdn.

Fact of the matter is most people really don't want or need videophones. I worked for a tech company that had bandwidth to burn, techie clients, and a real need to project the bleeding edge image. Still no interest in videoconferencing. We just don't really want or need to have people see us.

The only thing that could possibly drive videophone usage would be voyeurs and exhibitionists desiring to display their...
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