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Epic Fail for Consumers

Zpike

Apr 24, 2014, 2:27 PM
Title says it all.
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DarkStar

Apr 25, 2014, 3:44 PM
Why?
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Zpike

Apr 25, 2014, 4:11 PM
Because net neutrality is dead. That's why.
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DarkStar

Apr 25, 2014, 5:02 PM
How so? It specically says that the ISPs can't slow down internet traffic. Just give higher speeds to companies who pay more. So the internet will be the same except certain things will be faster than they were before. But nothing will be slower.
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Zpike

Apr 25, 2014, 7:42 PM
>>ISPs can't slow down internet traffic. Just give higher speeds to companies who pay more.

Seriously, you don't see the problem with what that actually means?

What if your employer gave a raise to every race at your company but yours, and said, "hey I'm not discriminating against your race, I'm just giving the other races more."
Would you call that "racial discrimination" or "racial neutrality"?
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DarkStar

Apr 25, 2014, 7:49 PM
That isn't even a valid example. Its more line a toll road. You can still use the same freeway you have always been using or pay extra to get to where you want to go faster. But in this case its where you want to go that pays the toll fee and not you.
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Zpike

Apr 26, 2014, 12:55 AM
>>That isn't even a valid example.

No, that isn't how this works. you don't get to just blow off my argument by labeling it invalid. You have to show how it's invalid. And if you aren't willing to do that, then we don't have much basis for discourse.
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DarkStar

Apr 26, 2014, 2:03 AM
I did show you how your argument is invalid by providing a better example.
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Zpike

Apr 26, 2014, 12:46 PM
No, retard. That we be like me saying, "people get milk from cows," and then you replying "you're obviously wrong because milk comes from frogs." You still haven't shown that milk doesn't in fact come from cows. Offering a wrong counter example doesn't disprove the original.

But I think we're done, as you're not interested in intelligent discourse. I'm convinced you're simply trolling.
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DarkStar

Apr 26, 2014, 4:41 PM
>>No, retard
>>But I think we're done, as you're not interested in intelligent discourse.

You want intelligent discourse but yet you make insults. People who resort to insulting other people istead of their arguments have run out of logic. But thats ok. I'll be able to intelligently debate you no matter what you throw at me.

>>What if your employer gave a raise to every race at your company but yours, and said, "hey I'm not discriminating against your race, I'm just giving the other races more."
Would you call that "racial discrimination" or "racial neutrality"?

In your example I assume that the employeer would be the ISPs. While myself and my coworkers would be internet companies. You are saying that the the ISPs pay interne...
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Zpike

Apr 30, 2014, 8:58 PM
I got busy so this is a little late.

>>You want intelligent discourse but yet you make insults. People who resort to insulting other people istead of their arguments have run out of logic.

I believed you to be intentionally ignoring my argument and purposefully making logical fallacies, hence the insult. Also, you're ignoring the fact that after I insulted you I explained to you what you were doing wrong.

But the insult must have worked because you gave up your little game. As fallacious as it may be, I do commend you for the attempted rebuttal.

>>But thats ok. I'll be able to intelligently debate you no matter what you throw at me.

It hasn't worked so well for you in the past, but you're more than welcome to keep trying. At l...
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DarkStar

May 6, 2014, 5:59 PM
You still don't understand how this works do you? Nobody is getting preferential treatment under these FCC rules. The internet will stay the same as it always has been. The difference is that some companies can pay to get their content to you faster. But the companies who don't pay don't lose any speed. They get the same speed they had before.
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Zpike

May 7, 2014, 5:03 PM
Backup 10 years, as we were moving to the "high-speed" internet and companies were advertising that DSL and Cable were 100 times faster than dialup. Do you think it would have been ok for them to throttle some websites they didn't like to dial up speeds? I mean those sites were already used to having their content delivered at dial up speeds in the first place, so why should they care right? Just because some sites got to actually have their data delivered at 1.5 mb/s (which was incredibly fast at the time), doesn't mean that everyone should, right? And even though Comcast and ATT advertised 1.5 Mb/s to the customer it would be ok to deliver the traffic at 56 Kb/s, because that was what everyone was used to getting, right? I mean by your log...
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DarkStar

May 7, 2014, 6:33 PM
>>>The proposal, which is expected to make an official appearance Thursday, would prevent broadband providers from discriminating against certain web sites and/or content

If you're paying for internet speeds of 1.5mbps. Then you are going to get that internet speed. But of course that is determined by other internet traffic by your neighbors. That is way internet is slower during peak hours. This FCC proposal would make it so that companies who pay the ISPs would get to deliver their content to you at the speeds you pay for no matter what the internet traffic is.
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Zpike

May 7, 2014, 9:57 PM
>>If you're paying for internet speeds of 1.5mbps. Then you are going to get that internet speed.

Ok, but what if I'm paying for 40 Mb/s? Does the proposal guarantee I will get that? No, it doesn't.

>>But of course that is determined by other internet traffic by your neighbors. That is way internet is slower during peak hours.

No, this is why crappy cable internet is slow during peak hours. Because they're lying bastards and they can't deliver the speeds they advertise. DSL, fiber, and satellite only slow down for one of two reasons - servers that deliver the traffic are overloaded and become a bottle neck (not the ISP's fault and not what we're talking about) or the ISP is intentionally throttling the traffic.

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DarkStar

May 10, 2014, 1:44 PM
>>Ok, but what if I'm paying for 40 Mb/s? Does the proposal guarantee I will get that? No, it doesn't.

Net neutrality doesn't guarantee that you are going to get 40Mb/s either.

You next section also has nothing to do with net neutrality and not entirely accurate, but I think the point is still extremely valid. If we are paying for internet speeds of 50mbps then that is what we should be getting.

You other section about peak times and being the content provider and the content consumer is about peak times. That is a problem that exists right now. Net neutrailty will not help that problem. The proposal of Tom Wheeler would help those companies with deep pockets avoid the problem of peak hours we have now.

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Zpike

May 11, 2014, 11:31 PM
>>Net neutrality doesn't guarantee that you are going to get 40Mb/s either.

No, but it does guarantee that someone else won't be getting it at my expense. It guarantees that I will get equal treatment and that I can use the internet as I see fit, and not as ATT says I should be using it.

>>You next section also has nothing to do with net neutrality

How so? It addresses the problem of network congestion during peak hours, which is a common argument in favor of throttling and traffic discrimination. It seems to me that its one of the key points of the net neutrality debate. It's also a point that you brought up, not me.

>>is about peak times. That is a problem that exists right now. Net neutrailty will not help that problem.

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