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The Bell System forever lives.

Slammer

Apr 7, 2014, 11:01 AM
Sprint and Tmobile are not allowed to form a third power to create viable competition for the former bells of AT&T and VZW, yet the two largest can continuously swallow up the smaller carriers putting them in an unfair advantage for the other less wealthy carriers.

The same Bell system broken up due to a monopoly. Hail to the FCC and DoJ for retaining the cartel and control over the industry and allowing them to have a family re-union. Forget about competition ever stepping foot near these two. It is forbidden under the financial pork shoved into the system by the two.

John B.
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Joshmo

Apr 7, 2014, 12:19 PM
Slammer said:
Sprint and Tmobile are not allowed to form a third power to create viable competition for the former bells of AT&T and VZW, yet the two largest can continuously swallow up the smaller carriers putting them in an unfair advantage for the other less wealthy carriers.

The same Bell system broken up due to a monopoly. Hail to the FCC and DoJ for retaining the cartel and control over the industry and allowing them to have a family re-union. Forget about competition ever stepping foot near these two. It is forbidden under the financial pork shoved into the system by the two.

John B.

More garbage from the sprint shill
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WiWavelength

Apr 7, 2014, 1:29 PM
Nope. His comment actually offers some accurate analysis. Yours offers none. It is the "garbage." So, provide something substantive, or just be quiet. Otherwise, people will know that you have nothing to offer intellectually.

AJ
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Versed

Apr 7, 2014, 4:51 PM
I agree its a failed company wanting to ride on an improving carrier. They should worry about cleaning their own sorry act up before even thinking about T-Mobile.
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Slammer

Apr 7, 2014, 2:51 PM
My post is more in line with historical observation rather than performing a cheerleading seminar.

The Bell system was broken up for this exact reason. The whole system made up a huge monopoly which employed close to a million people. Verizon and AT&T have been on a quest to forget about the break up and just put it back together again. They have done so by continuously purchasing carriers and then swapping assets with each other. They continue to do so and CBW is again another limb put back on what used to be. So while large merges are looked upon as bad, small acquisitions are perceived as ok. Yet,once you add in all these small acquisitions, they equal out to major acquistion of what once was considered a monopolization threat. Only A...
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Versed

Apr 7, 2014, 4:55 PM
John,
Stop preaching your holier then thou crap about history and the Bell divesture, I don't care. I just don't want Sprint screwing up T-Mobile and they will like they did almost everything else. These Bozo's can't even do voice data!! Heck Mobile companies in Chad and The Central African Republic figured that out.

Only thing is I don't think your a shill, you just have your opinion.
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Zpike

Apr 8, 2014, 1:58 PM
Is that in the grand scheme of things T-Mobile is inconsequential. Deutshce Telecom WILL sell it to someone. Someone is going to get T-Mobile and make it into something else, that much is inevitable. But what John is talking about is something that should be really concerning to everyone. If Verizon and ATT are allowed to continue, everyone loses.
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The Victor

Apr 7, 2014, 1:28 PM
because its nowhere near the same thing if tmobile and sprint merge it may or it maynot be for the best nobody knows, they are both on their own able to compete the att and vzw a lot more than these companies that are selling their spectrunm or just bought completely
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DarkStar

Apr 7, 2014, 3:14 PM
How has Sprint and T-Mobile been competing with VZW and AT&T? Have either company been losing customers?
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The Victor

Apr 7, 2014, 3:37 PM
point out here i said they could compete with either one of them
if you look closer i said they aree able to compete with att or verizon more than these smaller carriers that are being bought or that are selling spectrum
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Zpike

Apr 8, 2014, 2:01 PM
Don't you think that it becomes increasingly more difficult for T-Mobile and Sprint to compete every time Big Red and the Evil Empire are allowed to gobble up another small carrier? So, if this continues, your point won't matter, because no one will be able to compete.
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Slammer

Apr 7, 2014, 3:24 PM
Small bundled acquistions, can equal one large merge. With each acquistion, subs and spectrum are added to the respective purchaser.

Many of these acquistions cost dollars and only two carriers have been able and still are equipped for such financial transfers. When we look back at Sprint wanting to purchase MCI, the government said no. Yet, AT&T(then cingular) and Verizon have been able to grab AT&T and Alltel. Both respectable sized carriers.

So in essense, no other carrier is to be equal or larger than VZW or AT&T. It is an unwritten law. Now the government says no to an Sprint/Tmobile union yet, Verizon and AT&T can continue to sweep up underlining carriers to amass even more spectrum, subs, revenue and power.

John B.
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The Victor

Apr 7, 2014, 3:52 PM
ok but why shouldnt they be able to expand though? why should they be the only ones that cant just because they have the money to do it? any of these other carriers could do it as well and they have.

i dont remember you saying anything when i beleive it was tmobile, i dont remember exactly, who bought spectrum from verizon
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Slammer

Apr 7, 2014, 4:12 PM
VZW and AT&T have assets that are prime real estate items. Offloading spectrum they don't need to other carriers, is how chess is played. Sacrifice your least valuable piece in order to checkmate. Tmobile and Sprint have had to secure spectrum holdings to enhance their networks but only to stay a distant relevancy to the larger. 600Mhz spectrum is going to be auctioned off in the near future. Who do you think will have the financial resources to acwuire such pristine spectrum?

T-mobile and Sprint should have a fair shake on the bid. It doesn't matter who has the money when it comes to fair competition. It is the FCC's obligation to make sure the balance of power is kept in check.

John B.
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The Victor

Apr 8, 2014, 9:41 AM
they have a fair shake when it comes to any type of bid whether it be from buying it from a company klike vzw did with this or the upcoming auction, they just dont seem as aggressive
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Slammer

Apr 8, 2014, 10:37 AM
Without trying to sound generic: If you were to attend an auction in hopes to secure an interest, would you bid more than you could actually afford or recoup, or would you be forced to let the person with more money to his name take it?

There's a difference between being aggressive and being realistic. Sprint has a lot going on in the financial area during the network rebuild. Purchasing a carrier with a different technology is not something Sprint needs right now. If anything, Tmobile should have its paws in this sale. Unfortunately, Verizon will most likely gain another asset to its arsenal leaving the smaller carriers once again fending for themselves.

John B.
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The Victor

Apr 8, 2014, 11:46 AM
ok sprint might but tmobile has the money to do so, the main reason if you remeber they made more stock or something like that available.

this is about more than just sprint, and whos to know what they can or cant afford or recoup
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Versed

Apr 7, 2014, 4:58 PM
Sprints and TMO's parents are multinational corporations (DT and Softbank) they could easily bid and buy spectrum on the same level as VZW and AT&T.
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The Victor

Apr 8, 2014, 9:39 AM
and thats my point exactly they may not have as muchh but when it comes to buying they can compete they just dont
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Versed

Apr 7, 2014, 4:50 PM
John,
Give me a break, they could have offered money for the spectrum if they so wished, they didn't. Sprint has a ton of spectrum they choose for whatever reason not use it, or waste it on some odd ball 4g scheme like WiMax. Let there be 4 carriers, and keep Sprint away from screwing up T-Mobile. At least they have vision.
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Slammer

Apr 7, 2014, 5:55 PM
It seems your whole argument is just to keep Sprint away from Tmobile. Tmobile is in no position to be celebrated by Versed. If you check crowd sourcing data in regards to LTE coverage vs the other three, Sprint is actually second in total area covered and Tmobile registers a smidgen of what the other three have already on line. Tmobile is talking a big game by a big talk CEO. When it all comes down to actual real life presentation, tmobile is a hardworking carrier with no show of hurting any of the other carriers. If it wasn't for the failed TMO/AT&T merge, TMO would not be anywhere near where it is. Media is playing up TMO larger than it really is. I can't find much of a signal anywhere in my city worthy of every day use. And many of my fr...
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Versed

Apr 7, 2014, 7:06 PM
John,
A consumer advocate doesn't want to reduce choices for consumers. As far as Sprint goes, I live in NJ, all carriers except Sprint provide LTE where I live and TMO which was the last, is over a year into LTE. But regions are regions and all have their stronge and weak areas. I also detest CDMA, I think its the biggest issue with mobility problems in the US. If there was a national standard, it would be better. If Sprint wants to expand, let them buy US Cellular, its close to a perfect fit.

Back to the topic, I'm not thrilled about Cincinnati Wireless turning their mobile assets over to VZW because they're going to swap out to CDMA. In otherwords, those poor souls are going to be locked into a locked down mobile system.
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Zpike

Apr 8, 2014, 2:12 PM
John's not advocating for a T-Mobile - Sprint merger, so mach as he is for preventing ATT and Verizaon from establishing a duopoly. I think he would be fine with T-Mobile and Sprint standing on their own in ATT and Verizon were busted up. Where's the great "Trust Buster" when you need him?
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Zpike

Apr 9, 2014, 10:27 AM
dang... just reread my own post and typo's galore abound. Sorry if that left anyone scratching their head.
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Slammer

Apr 9, 2014, 3:46 PM
Everyone on these sites, feel that in order to validate a message, there needs to be some sort of grammar or spell check on another person's post. In reality, it is not necessary. Most everyone should be able to understand what the poster is saying regardless of grammar or spelling mistakes that may not have been intentional. Only adolescents with no viable rubuttal will correct the mistakes to make themselves feel better.

I understood precisely what you said and also thank you for understanding my point of view.

John B.
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The Victor

Apr 8, 2014, 9:48 AM
isnt that the point to keep your competition from reaching the front door? att and vzw cant do it to each other cuz theyre already there but they why would they want to allow a 3rd one get close? it wouldnt help them
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Zpike

Apr 8, 2014, 2:10 PM
>>isnt that the point to keep your competition from reaching the front door?

Only if your only concern is the well being of Verizon and ATT.

No, the real point is for competition to be fair. And the government unfairly allowed Verizon and ATT to get to the size where they can push the other carriers around.
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Versed

Apr 8, 2014, 3:32 PM
Of course bad business practices, and poor managment at Sprint had nothing to do with it?
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Slammer

Apr 8, 2014, 9:15 PM
We really need to leave the "bad decisions by Sprint" analogy out of the argument here. If you want to use decision making as a tool, in contrast, you feel T-mobile is making right decisions and yet, where is it today? Still number 4, still up for sale and struggling to be competitive with big blue and big red. We have two massive carriers controlling 80% of US wireless industry. Only about 10% less than when VZW and AT&T were one under the Bell system before broken up for monopolistic reasons. We need to get this down to roughly 60% in order to begin a successful competitve balance. It will take an astronomical amount of money on the part of Tmobile and Sprint individually to muster up enough cash to match what the two largest have accompli...
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rwalford79

Apr 7, 2014, 5:41 PM
Remember, it still needs approval. It may be seen that Verizon is too big with too little competition in that area, divesting may be in order, and TMobile would love the GSM infrastructure most as they need it there most.
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Slammer

Apr 7, 2014, 6:32 PM
Not sure what will happen here. But, yes I do know that Verizon's whole exact purchase idea is for the spectrum; not the network.

John B.
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Versed

Apr 7, 2014, 7:07 PM
John,
It seems they're doing that and taking over their mobile assets, with Cincinnati just doing regular phone service and cable.
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