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While I dont criticize them for it...

yourvoiceofreason

Mar 29, 2014, 10:17 AM
..I think it is that they no longer could afford giving a monthly discount on the new plans.
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brad162

Mar 29, 2014, 10:28 AM
No, they can afford it. It's just that they're trying to also finish rebuilding the rest of the network past 2G/EDGE/GPRS areas and that's going to take some serious cash.

I'm all for this change if they actually get rid of EDGE/GPRS areas, that's my only qualm with T-Mobile is when i go home to Ohio, i'm stuck with the dreaded G (full service, just useless for anything data related on GPRS)

Now if they'd also transmit HSPA on PCS at the same power level as EDGE, but that's another discussion altogether.
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SoCalBIGmike

Mar 30, 2014, 3:21 AM
"Now if they'd also transmit HSPA on PCS at the same power level as EDGE, but that's another discussion altogether."

Do you even know who this stuff works, or are you making shi* up as you go along? ๐Ÿ‘€

And its laughable as this doenst even pertain to COR discounts, its EQUIPMENT. Not ONE commeneter here got it right. But, hey its the age of no one reads and makes shi* up as they go along. ๐Ÿคจ
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brad162

Mar 30, 2014, 6:44 AM
Really? yes i am an engineer, and have plenty of screenshot showing PCS HSPA and EDGE having completely different signal strengths from the same cell site.

T-Mobile does leave the power turned down on HSPA compared to EDGE for capacity reasons, and that's why you can go somewhere that has perfectly full EDGE signal on PCS, but the PCS HSPA coming from the same site (same antenna rack too) will be ~15dBm weaker causing the phone to hang onto EDGE instead of HSPA.

I see this around Phoenix, SoCal, and the Midwest all the time, that's my only complaint about T-Mobile, and i've had them since 2006
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stevelvl

Mar 30, 2014, 8:35 AM
brad162 said:
T-Mobile does leave the power turned down on HSPA compared to EDGE for capacity reasons, and that's why you can go somewhere that has perfectly full EDGE signal on PCS, but the PCS HSPA coming from the same site (same antenna rack too) will be ~15dBm weaker causing the phone to hang onto EDGE instead of HSPA.


The discrepancy you are seeing is not a result of different broadcast power rather greater utilization of the HSPA signal. What I mean by this is the more phones on a bandwidth the less broad cast power available. An easy way to look at this is a tower is a big glass of signal each time some one is connected to it they drill a new hole in the glass. One hole the water(signal in this case...
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brad162

Mar 30, 2014, 12:46 PM
Um that's not how it works at all. What you're referring to is cell breathing and that is a factor in a CDMA based system, but there are power output settings in the radio's interface as well that can be used to compensate for this.

The power does not magically "disappear" because more phones are on the control channel, once the site reaches it's limit it just rejects new connections and that's where the "network busy" error messages come into play, now on a TDMA based system like EDGE/GPRS your argument is somewhat valid but not on a CDMA or HSPA based system.

I have even experienced this T-Mobile "phenomenon" on more than one occasion (and even at 4AM in a part of "town" that's so rural that there's nobody else on the channel and i c...
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stevelvl

Mar 30, 2014, 10:14 PM
Actually it is a simple matter of physics. the power is not magically disappearing it is actually being absorbed by the antenna of mobile devices. Radio waves are a form of radiant energy measured in dB. When a radio receives said wares it transfers energy from said waves into electricity to be transmitted through the electrical circuits of your phone to be changed into your web page or phone call.

The more antenna's pulling in the radio wave the greater the dissipation of the carrier wave. IE more phone receiving signal from a given tower the shorter the range of the tower. Or to put this in measurable terms the weaker the dB at any given range then a less utilized carrier wave such as edge which is only used for data. where as HSDPA (a ...
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amarryat

Mar 31, 2014, 6:31 AM
"the power is not magically disappearing it is actually being absorbed by the antenna of mobile devices. "

I don't buy that at all. It's like saying it gets dark in the movie theater because everyone opens their eyes and absorb the light.
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jleblan1

Mar 31, 2014, 10:51 AM
๐Ÿ˜ณ There is no measurable signal fade to the signal due to the number of devices listening.
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meager73

Mar 30, 2014, 7:30 AM
the only thing laughable is bigmouthlittlebrainmike is he calling people stupid but doesn't know the difference between a rate plan and an equipment offer. he also doesn't read or understand the word replace. he also doesn't understand the difference between corporate , government and all discounts. he also can't read replacing employee rate plans with craptastic equipment offer.
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