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HTC One Available Today, In Verizon Stores Immediately

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Main camera specs?

tjobrien21

Mar 25, 2014, 11:49 AM
I have a feeling they haven't improved the camera from 4MP, because they explicitly don't specify what it is (thought the HTC website states the FRONT camera is 5MP). It would be absurd, but HTC has this thing for making a FANTASTIC product except for any one random thing...

Let me add that I really want to see HTC succeed! For years I was a huige fan, and had the HTC phones, from the T-Mo SDA through the G1, MT3G, Nexus 1, Droid Inc, etc.

However in 2014 you just CAN'T put 4MP cameras on a high end phone when all other premium phones are 8MP or better, and even el-cheapos have 5MP. I know, the sensor is bigger so the pixels collect more light. But most of us aren't taking photos in the dark, and if we do, a little post processing fixe...
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tjobrien21

Mar 25, 2014, 11:56 AM
Ok, nevermind. I just read an earlier article here on Phonescoop. It is 4MP. Still. Wow. Oh well.
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JoelMikel

Mar 25, 2014, 12:25 PM
Don't let that scare you away... it's the same camera that was on the original One and it's great!
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AdHominems

Mar 25, 2014, 12:50 PM
Ultrapixels =/= Megapixels.
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Pandemic187

Mar 25, 2014, 1:51 PM
I dunno...re-packaging old hardware has worked pretty well for Apple for years now! Laughing
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gfondeur

Mar 25, 2014, 2:23 PM
You totally right,
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DarkStar

Mar 25, 2014, 2:16 PM
What is the difference between 4MP or 8MP?
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thevorlon

Mar 25, 2014, 8:08 PM
Roughly 4 MP... Twisted Evil
The door was open.
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DarkStar

Mar 25, 2014, 9:52 PM
That is my point though. The difference is 4MP. But no one knows what that really means.
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srich27

Mar 26, 2014, 9:37 AM
No one knows what that means? Seriously? Its a resolution of the image sensor. That's like saying no one knows what the difference between 480i and 1080p is.

Modern cameras capture many more pixels than are generally useful in the end product, but the extra raw data allows for smart down sampling that removes much (if not all) of the noise and sharpens the image at the target resolution.

Now an "UltraPixel"....THAT is something no one knows what it actually means. Kind of like "Retina" or (most carriers definition of) "4G".
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DarkStar

Mar 26, 2014, 10:50 AM
There is very little noise in the HTC one camera. A normal person who uses a smartphone doesn't even know what down sampling is.

Retina is defined by Apple by the pixels being smaller than the eye can see.

4g is defined by the carriers as Internet speed that is significantly faster than 3g.
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srich27

Mar 26, 2014, 11:56 AM
Exactly, all very vague definitions, unlike a MP.

"Retina is defined by Apple by the pixels being smaller than the eye can see." Whose eye? At what distance? Is it still "Retina" if it is not an Apple display, even if it otherwise fits the definition? (answer = no)

"4g is defined by the carriers as Internet speed that is significantly faster than 3g." How much faster? At what point does it go from 'Fast 3G' to '4G'?

In any case, my point isn't to bash the One's camera. It may very well be a very good camera for a smartphone. I also hope none of this is coming out in any sort of rude manner, as that is also not my intent. I was just a bit flabbergasted by that assertion that there is no discernible difference between 4MP and ...
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DarkStar

Mar 26, 2014, 12:24 PM
Retina Display is a brand name used by Apple for liquid crystal displays that have a pixel density high enough that the human eye is unable to discern individual pixels at a typical viewing distance.

There you go for that one.

3G is roughly at its fastest about 2 to 3 mbps. HSPA+ is around 7 to 10. At least in my experience.

As far as everything else you said, I am apparently unable to argue with you because I agree with you.
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Rich Brome

Mar 26, 2014, 11:00 AM
srich27 said:
Now an "UltraPixel"....THAT is something no one knows what it actually means. ...

Actually, HTC has put out white papers explaining what it means. It's their marketing term for a camera sensor with physically larger pixels. The larger pixels gather more light and thus have a number of performance benefits, including less noise and better low-light sensitivity.

The principle is sound, although - as others have pointed out - some high-megapixel-count camera sensors achieve similar performance (or better, depending on the situation) by making different trade-offs.
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srich27

Mar 26, 2014, 12:12 PM
True, I guess people know generally what it means, more that its a vague company-specific marketing term. Kind of like how Apple's definition of a Retina display only counts with Apple displays.

I'm curious what the pro/cons are between what HTC is doing with their camera (larger pixels but less of them) vs what Nokia does with their PureView stuff (larger image sensors with lots and lots of normal-sized pixels). Both seem to aid in low-light photography.

I definitely think Nokia's phone cameras are better than HTC's, but I imagine there is a lot more going on there than just the image sensor.
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