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aeternavi

Mar 13, 2014, 8:30 PM
I would like to know what map they would like to use. VZW is doing apples to apples, plain and simple. TMO needs to realize they are #4 in customers and coverage. Even with the proposed buy-out from Sprint, they will be dwarfed in coverage. There is nothing misleading about factual data. Don't even give me the HSPA+ argument either. That is not actual 4G as much as it is enhanced high speed 3G. Put up or shut up TMO... LTE vs LTE.
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T Bone

Mar 14, 2014, 12:46 AM
HSPA+ is the 'next generation' in networks after 3G, carriers needed some way of announcing to consumers that their networks were now faster and better than they used to be, and since there is no way people will understand 'HSPA+' or any technical explanation of the difference between HSPA and HSPA+, just dubbing it '4G' is the only reasonable marketing term to use.
I mean, I suppose that they could run 30 minute infomercials where an engineering professor from MIT could give a lecture laying out in full detail just what the difference between HSPA and HSPA is, but I think that by the time he got the point where he performs the Fourier Analysis very few people would still be watching. Very Happy
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Zpike

Mar 18, 2014, 2:08 AM
HSPA+ is an upgrade to an existing network. It is NOT a new network or technology. It falls short of 4G in every possible way. If anyone should be sued, it's T-mobile for their outright lies.
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DarkStar

Mar 15, 2014, 11:45 AM
As much as I love to hate on T-Mobile I have to point out that T-mobile's HSPA+ is often times as fast or faster than VZW's LTE. So how does that make HSPA+ not 4G?
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Zpike

Mar 18, 2014, 4:53 PM
Ummm because it is neither a build out of a new 4th generation of their network, nor does it reach 100mb/s download speeds. It is simply not 4G by any definition. They can find some way other than outright lies to market the competitive value of their network.
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DarkStar

Mar 18, 2014, 5:00 PM
LTE doesn't reach 100mb/s either an its still considered 4G. It doesn't matter what you think 4G is or isn't. The ITC how determine what 4G is already said that HSPA+ can be called 4G.
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Zpike

Mar 19, 2014, 1:30 AM
LTE Advanced does reach 100mb/s and all that LTE equipment can and will eventually be upgraded. However, that's a moot point because LTE networks do actually represent a 4th generation buildout of a new network. So, in that sense they are 4G. But personally I won't consider any of these networks 4G until they meet the technical standard.
But that doesn't change the fact that T-Mobile lacks any credibility with their outright lies, regardless of the ITC's standing on the issue. As creative as they are at insulting their competition, I'd think they would be creative enough to market their alternate technology without lying.
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DarkStar

Mar 19, 2014, 4:30 PM
Actually LTE is not the fourth build out of a network. There was AMPS, TDMA, GSM, CDMA, UMTS, EVDO, HSPA, HSPA+. That is a lot of networks before LTE.

It doesn't matter what you think is 4G or not. All that matters is what the group that determines these things thinks. I don't think Obama is really our president. But just because I think that doesn't make it true.

HSPA+ is often as fast as LTE.
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Zpike

Mar 21, 2014, 2:11 AM
>>Actually LTE is not the fourth build out of a network. There was AMPS, TDMA, GSM, CDMA, UMTS, EVDO, HSPA, HSPA+. That is a lot of networks before LTE.

First of all, T-mobile never had CDMA or EVDO service.

Secondly, AMPS is a first generation network. TDMA and GSM represent a second generation network, with GSM incorporating TDMA technology. UMTS, HSPA, and HSPA+ are all the same family of technology and constitute a third generation network.

So, you see by either actual number of networks, or by technical category of the network's generation, T-mobile simply only has a third generation network.

>>That is a lot of networks before LTE.

No, only three if you can count.

>>It doesn't matter what you think is 4G or not. All ...
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DarkStar

Mar 21, 2014, 2:58 PM
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374564,00.asp »

Lawyered. I have facts. You have nothing.

Yes I have seen HSPA+ go around 22mbps. That's pretty fast. Dare I say LTE fast.
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Zpike

Mar 29, 2014, 1:43 AM
So, I read your article. Here's the TLDR version. The ITU still stands by their technical definition but they caved because they couldn't fight the large marketing departments of mega corporations and consumers were already confused. T-Mobile was really glad they caved because they were lying through their teeth and otherwise wouldn't have a leg to stand on if a class action lawsuit arose. In the end T-Mobile and the other lying scum suckers win, while consumers and the ITU come out looking like complete tools.

What was your point again? How is T-Mobile (and other carriers) bullying around an international standards committee and lying to customers ethical?

Also, LTE fast and 4G fast are not the same thing. 22Mb/s may be as fast as so...
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DarkStar

Mar 29, 2014, 3:41 AM
But you said that regular old LTE is 4G. So anything that goes as fast as LTE should also be considered 4G. And since the standards body who knows more about this then you could ever know declared HSPA+ and regular old LTE 4G then you don't have a leg to stand one. You are arguing your opinion. I am point out facts made by the people who create facts.
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Zpike

Mar 30, 2014, 12:28 AM
>>But you said that regular old LTE is 4G.

No, I never said that. Infact, I clearly stated in several places that it was not, and also explicitly named the technologies that are. Reread my post.

>>And since the standards body who knows more about this then you could ever know declared HSPA+ and regular old LTE 4G then you don't have a leg to stand one.

Stop spinning the bullshit. We both know, based on the article that YOU linked, that the ITU caved because they didn't have the money to fight the mass disinformation campaigns being conducted by the marketing departments of the carriers. And even though they caved, they are still standing by the technical specification, but just allowing the carriers to say they have 4G anyway. But ...
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DarkStar

Mar 30, 2014, 2:34 PM
Zpike said:
>>But you said that regular old LTE is 4G.

No, I never said that. Infact, I clearly stated in several places that it was not, and also explicitly named the technologies that are. Reread my post.

LTE Advanced does reach 100mb/s and all that LTE equipment can and will eventually be upgraded. However, that's a moot point because LTE networks do actually represent a 4th generation buildout of a new network. So, in that sense they are 4G.


So you did say that it was 4G.

>>And since the standards body who knows more about this then you could ever know declared HSPA+ and regular old LTE 4G then you don't have a leg to stand one.

Stop spinning the bullshit.
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Zpike

Apr 2, 2014, 1:27 PM
>>So you did say that it was 4G.

You frickin moron quit spinning what I said because I made it damn clear. I said that LTE constituted a 4G network because it was a 4th buildout of a new network, which HSPA+ is not. You then tried to make HSPA+ comparable to 4G by comparing it to the speeds of LTE, but I have already said that LTE does not meet the technical specification of 4G. So, by way of basic logic, HSPA+ can't be considered 4G just by merely being as fast as LTE. Because LTE fails that requirement as well. Youre grasping at straws.

>>Again the fact of the matter is what the ITU said. Its not a half truth. Its the facts.

No, it's a half truth because you aren't fully representing what the ITU said in your comments. You're only...
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