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BlackBerry 'Outraged' Over T-Mobile Promotion

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who can blame t-mobile?

amarryat

Feb 18, 2014, 3:47 PM
Blackberry has one foot in the grave. I'd like them to come back to life, but at this point with so many corporate shifts away from the Blackberry platform, it's not difficult to see why T-Mobile would have done that. I hope Blackberry rights all their wrongs - I was burned with the Blackberry Storm and couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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The Victor

Feb 18, 2014, 4:14 PM
What exactly was the problem with the storm? I personally had both of them and also knew a few others who did as well no issues with any of them.
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KraventheRaven

Feb 18, 2014, 4:16 PM
It was no iPhone. Laughing
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gfondeur

Feb 18, 2014, 6:20 PM
Nailed!!!
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Jayshmay

Feb 18, 2014, 6:28 PM
Unless you are stuck in the matrix, that cult of overpriced/overrated/overhyped products called Apple isn't relevant.
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KraventheRaven

Feb 18, 2014, 6:35 PM
Neither is your lack of humor. Laughing
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DarkStar

Feb 18, 2014, 8:49 PM
Except that Apple computers are by far better for the average user. The only exception is for video games.

Apple iPhones are for people who want a phone that works and doesn't have force closes and is always on the latest version of the software. Even the iPhone 4 has the latest version of the OS. Does the Droid 2 have the latest version? Or the Galaxy s2?

The point is the the apple products are not overpriced/overrated or overhyped. Even though I hate Apple products.
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Zpike

Feb 18, 2014, 10:30 PM
>>The point is the the apple products are not overpriced/overrated or overhyped.

I vehemently disagree. And for all the reasons I've been espousing on this site for years.
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DarkStar

Feb 18, 2014, 10:48 PM
Because it offers an amazing ecosystem of apps, music, movies?

Because it offers a clean and simple user interface?

Because it offers a lot of choices of accessories?
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 8:15 AM
$20 for a simple cable is overpriced.

Using the "dock" connector instead of a USB one was ridiculous. And while their newest connector is nice, it only works with Apple devices, and Apple devices will only work with that lightning connector. They could easily have standardized on one of the USB connectors.

Forcing their accessories to become obsolete so that you have to buy new ones, or in my case they no longer provide a solution. Remember the FM radio connector? It worked with one of the iPods, and then was not supported after that.
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Sl1CK65

Feb 19, 2014, 1:30 PM
I for one hope Apple never moves to mico USB, it is the worst charging port ever made, I would much rather my phone be a tad bigger and have a mini USB over micro, the lighting port is way better then both of those its small and doesnt brake as easy as the micro, and if it does its just the charger not the port like so many android phones
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 1:40 PM
Micro USB is more durable than mini which is part of the reason most products have changed.

I read somewhere that there may be a new USB connector that's reversible just like the lightning connector. That would be perfect, and you wouldn't need to spend $20 for a cable.
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DarkStar

Feb 19, 2014, 5:50 PM
I've read about that too. I can't wait for that to be a reality. It would be so much better.
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Zpike

Feb 19, 2014, 1:43 PM
Wait, an Apple enthusiast who doesn't mind a larger phone if it can be justified with more useful features??? Are you kidding? You're putting me on, right? Next you'll be telling me you wouldn't mind a bigger iPhone if they'd make the screens more usable, the batteries accessible, and include room for expandable storage.
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Sl1CK65

Feb 19, 2014, 2:19 PM
Just because i like apple doesnt mean I'm one of the iSheep, I did traded in my iPhone 5S for a Note 3, and a custom Moto X as a secondary phone, the only reason i would care about removable batter is if the charging port broke, so i could use a external charger, iphone charginf ports dont brake nearly as often as micro USB

more people have charging port problems with there andriod then they do battery problems, 50% of people cant even make it a year before they have to hold there charger in a special position to get it to charge, and not long after that it stops woking at all
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Zpike

Feb 19, 2014, 3:19 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's a bogus statistic. I seriously doubt that half of all charging ports break in less than a year. I also seriously doubt that the failure rate for charging ports (though obviously significant) is higher than the failure rate of batteries.
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twoferflinching

Feb 19, 2014, 4:17 PM
28% of all statistics are made up. This, likely, falls within that statistic that I just made up...
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DarkStar

Feb 19, 2014, 5:57 PM
Firstly, the dock connector allows for the cable to do more than just charging. The iPhone has lots of docking stations. Android phones have almost none.

Second, the price of the cable is only $20 at the store. Just like a micro USB cable is $15. not much of a price difference.

Third, Apple changed the charging port once in 4 years. Before Micro USB all the cellphone manufacturers had their own proprietary charging port and they changed the port every couple years or more. So don't try and make Apple look like the bad guy because they wanted a better charging port. There are a lot more things to blame on Apple but that isn't one of them.
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 6:30 PM
The dock connector doesn't allow the iPhone to do anything a USB connector couldn't have done. They could have easily gone with mini USB which is what the Blackberry 8830 used which is the same age as the iPhone.

Not sure where you're getting your USB cables, but I only pay about $1.50. Check out monoprice.

Not relevant to bring basic phones that had a charge only port into the conversation. As I mentioned above, smartphones at that time used USB. The latest cable from Apple even has a chip in it, meaning that no one can create a cable for Apple products without paying a license fee.
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DarkStar

Feb 19, 2014, 7:49 PM
Could it be that Apple wants control over their product? They want to be able to have the best possible products(in their opinion) for their customers? This way they don't have little chinese companies make $1.50 cables that break after a few months. Micro USB or Mini USB doesn't have the audio and video capabilities that the 30-pin or lightning cable have.
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Doom Wolf

Feb 21, 2014, 5:49 PM
Forget it, you're dealing with an iSheep.
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DarkStar

Feb 21, 2014, 6:06 PM
No. I actually hate the iPhone and am an Android fanboy. But I understand business. Big difference.
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Kenzin

Feb 19, 2014, 9:30 AM
"Except that Apple computers are by far better for the average user. The only exception is for video games."

All I have to say is...really? The interface is no more user friendly than any other...Windows 8 aside. And don't throw the "you can't get a virus" mantra at me because that garbage is an overused and VERY tired marketing slogan that Apple brainwashed into everyone who purchases it. Do some research...

"Apple iPhones are for people who want a phone that works and doesn't have force closes and is always on the latest version of the software. Even the iPhone 4 has the latest version of the OS. Does the Droid 2 have the latest version? Or the Galaxy s2?"

Force Closes are NOT caused by software issues typically. They are caused b...
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 10:19 AM
iPhones force close things too. But instead of getting a notification, the app just disappears and you're at the home screen.
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DarkStar

Feb 19, 2014, 6:03 PM
That's funny since the research shows that Apple Computers are less vulnerable to viruses than PC's. Why? Part of the reason is because Apple is such a small portion of the computer market that virus makers don't waste their time on such a small percentage. Another reason is because it built more secure than windows. However, Windows 7 and on had become a lot more secure than previous versions.

So you are saying that Android is not capable of controlling RAM properly? But Apple that has less RAM than a lot of Android phones can handle it correctly. So you just proved my point.

Did you get 4.4 the day Google released it? I think not. With the iPhone you get the update the moment its released.
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Doom Wolf

Feb 21, 2014, 5:51 PM
DarkStar said:
With the iPhone you get the update the moment its released.



Yeah, all glitchy. They keep releasing updates for their buggy iOS7.
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DarkStar

Feb 21, 2014, 6:11 PM
Oh you mean like Google released android 4.4 then 4.4.1 then 4.4.2. Or going back from 2.3 to 2.3.1, .2, .3, .4 and so on til .7. There is always going to be glitches. Although I personally think the only people who care about being on the latest version of the OS is the people who visit sites like this. A matter of fact I can't tell the difference between 4.3 and 4.4 on my HTC ONE. I should have just stuck with 4.3. Although 4.4 hasn't hurt my phone at all but as far as I can it it was an unnecessary upgrade on my phone.
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Slammer

Feb 19, 2014, 11:06 AM
---"The point is the the apple products are not overpriced/overrated or overhyped. Even though I hate Apple products."---

If you hate Apple products, then you should feel great knowing you are not one of the very small marketshare of the world that spent more money on a product enough to make it one of the most richest companies in the world next to oil. A feat like this doesn't happen unless the company has too much control over a product that is severely overpriced. And it's always the same people re-purchasing the Apple products. Continually dropping marketshare is indication that the most expensive route for a damn phone is not financially feasible for most as they realize the price gouging.

John B.

John B.
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DarkStar

Feb 21, 2014, 6:08 PM
Apple's Marketshare is increasing not decreasing. And a lot of people like the iPhone. It does what they want it to do. It doesn't do what I would want it to do. I love my HTC ONE.
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amarryat

Feb 18, 2014, 4:19 PM
It was so incredibly sluggish.

It was well made physically. But the hardware inside was at least a generation out of date, coupled with spaghetti code which had to be there to turn a physical button device into a touchscreen device, this thing was slllllooooowwww.

I can't tell you how many times I would try to get a picture, and by the time the photo was taken, the subject was long gone.

I had such high hopes for it too. I thought it was going to be an iPhone with Blackberry email. I was so wrong.
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The Victor

Feb 18, 2014, 5:58 PM
As far as the pictures that's obviously something that can happen with any device that you get no matter how old or new it is.
Only thing about it that was really bad was the screen itself since you actually had to press the screens in
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DarkStar

Feb 18, 2014, 8:46 PM
Really because with the iPhone and the Lumia's and the new android phones picture taking is extremely fast and fluid. Nice try.
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The Victor

Feb 19, 2014, 3:10 AM
Never said it did happen with any phone just saying that it can. And it does happen with the new devices. I work in tech and warranty. Lot of calls about this.
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 8:16 AM
Not like it did with the Storm. It took forever to get anything going. It was very frustrating.
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The Victor

Feb 19, 2014, 9:03 AM
ok but that doesnt mean it happens with every phone, its a software issue.
just like the 4.3 issues with the sIII. Poeple couldnt get conencted to their wifi, does that mean that every s III is a horrible phone
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 9:06 AM
With the Storm it was both hardware and software. That phone was a major fail for them. It made me run away.
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The Victor

Feb 19, 2014, 9:09 AM
If it was hardware and software, every phone would have the issue where clearly it did not
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 9:12 AM
I'm talking about the Blackberry Storm. The 9530 which I had, so I know what I'm talking about. It was very slow. It was very frustrating to use. When I went to the store and saw the lightning fast Motorola Droid, I couldn't believe how much faster a phone could be. Prior to the Storm, I'd upgrade occasionally, and even liked my Blackberry I had before it. But the Storm was terrible. Very slow processor and an operating system that wasn't designed from the ground up to work with the new paradigm.
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The Victor

Feb 19, 2014, 12:51 PM
I know what phone you talking about, and i had it too so I know what im talking about as well.

The Motorola Droid was a newer device so of course it would be faster.
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amarryat

Feb 19, 2014, 12:59 PM
But the iPhone was older, and it was fast.

That was the problem with the Storm. I know plenty of people complained about the keyboard, but I got used to it. But the speed of the device was terrible. If you don't believe me, since you're on Phone Scoop, just go look it up on here and read the reviews. Mostly bad. I think that this as well as other mistakes by Blackberry are why their stock went from $84 down to $9
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The Victor

Feb 19, 2014, 1:15 PM
that was an iPhone it was the best phone out there

ok poeple complain about things all the time but that doesnt mean its every phone, how often do you really see someone say how good/fast a phone is compared to someone saying "this phones horrible/slow"
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DarkStar

Feb 19, 2014, 5:48 PM
The phone was a flop. There is no denying that fact. Because the hardware and the software were not up to par. Just like the Blackberries of today. They are years behind even low end android phones.
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rwalford79

Feb 18, 2014, 4:57 PM
Who really cares? I mean formerly being a BlackBerry user and loving it and finding that it met my needs for years, I'd love to buy one again...if the specs matched up with offerings from Apple, Samsung, HTC and LG. The apps alone are one reason. I stay away from BlackBerry. The hardware while generally well built lacks form factor that the others have down pat, the UI is nothing to be excited about nor is it intuitive. With a company that shifted focus to consumers in the mid 2000s it only took a few short years to lose that focus and completely alienate users by not changing fast enough to what consumers demand. Both feet in the grave, they keep pulling the dirt to their faces literally in this market. TMobile is a huge partner for Android...
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Zpike

Feb 18, 2014, 10:33 PM
I think you place too much faith in T-mobile. Just because T-mobiles does it, doesn't make it the right thing to do. Personally, I think alienating a long time vendor for no good reason makes you look like a jackass.
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phonetekmek

Feb 18, 2014, 7:53 PM
The blame would be in the fact that BB is still a vendor and to push customers towards another company is wrong. How would they like it if BB offered customers switching to a new BB device on ATT (who still has BB's back) a special incentive? They would be irratte I assume...
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DarkStar

Feb 18, 2014, 8:44 PM
No. Nobody is switching to T-mobile because they have the blackberry they want. Blackberry ends up costing T-mobile money instead of making them money. Blackberry hailed their new BB10 as something that can compete with Android and iPhone. They fell short and the iventory that T-mobile spent on the BB10 phones are now gone and is not coming back. T-mobile wants to make customers happy not give them blackberries.
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T Bone

Feb 18, 2014, 9:53 PM
No T-Mobile wants to make GOOGLE happy by denying customer the choice of anything but Android....

Economically, it makes absolutely no sense for T-Mobile to favor one company over another.....
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DarkStar

Feb 18, 2014, 9:58 PM
What does Google have to do with anything? They aren't even involved in this story at all.
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T Bone

Feb 18, 2014, 10:16 PM
Let's be honest here.....T-Mobile is Android Central...Android is just about the only thing they sell anymore.......this is why some people have suggested that Google should just go ahead and buy T-Mobile and make the marriage legal ......so when T-Mobile tells Blackberry customers that they should switch to 'another platform' what platform are they referring to? Windows Phone? I don't think so, Realistically, they can only mean Android.

If Burger King announced that from now on they are going to try to convince people who drink Coke to start drinking 'another cola' what 'other cola' do you think they would mean? Probably not RC Cola, right?
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T Bone

Feb 18, 2014, 10:20 PM
And let me be clear, I LIKE Android, I do.....what I don't like is Google, and their increasingly anti-competitive and monopolistic business practices.
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Yama Gama

Feb 18, 2014, 10:58 PM
Mmhmm. Google is an information company. That's why they have so many apps; they pay big bucks to developers for even the ****tiest of apps (because they pluck EVERYTHING and send it to google). I'd never use one of those devices, or any of its little bitch apps, knowing that I'd automatically and undeclinably be part of an aggregate study by [insert group/company].
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Zpike

Feb 19, 2014, 4:54 PM
That you're part of an aggregate study by some group without your consent on a regular basis anyway. Every time you drive over a cable stretched across a street you have participated in an aggregate study. And in many other ways, aggregate data about your behavior is collected and analyzed on a regular, perhaps staggering, basis. Such is the nature of the world we live in.
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DarkStar

Feb 18, 2014, 10:47 PM
Have you even read the entire article? T-Mobile was suggesting people move to the iPhone.

May I present the most uninformed person ever.
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T Bone

Feb 18, 2014, 9:40 PM
Honestly I would leave a carrier over a promotion like this......the phone I use is MY CHOICE, I don't want a carrier dictating to me 'no, we don't want you using this phone we want you using another phone'.....frankly my response to such a request from my carrier would be simply 'go to hell'.

When I was an employee for at&t, there were always rumors, which were never 'officially' confirmed, but which we always suspected, that Apple was paying 'incentives' to at&t stores or certain agents to encourage them to force the iPhone on customers and to discourage them from selling customers any other device....

The reason for this is because so many customers reported that they were actively discouraged by store agents from buying anything b...
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Zpike

Feb 18, 2014, 10:40 PM
Something certainly stinks. It would be like Walmart suddenly coming out with a campaign to move people away from toys made by Hasbro. Such a move could only have an anti-competitive motive. And so, it seems this one does as well.
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T Bone

Feb 18, 2014, 10:45 PM
Elsewhere here I made the analogy of Burger King making its announcement that people who drink Coke should drink something else.....unless they were being paid by Pepsi it would make no sense for them to do that....
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Zpike

Feb 19, 2014, 3:22 PM
Ya, I thought that was a good analogy, except that the beverage market is more polarized. I know the phone market is becoming polarized with Apple and Samsung, but it isn't quite there yet.
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