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Do "dumb" + "dumber" equal "dumbest"??

tetherpro

Jan 19, 2014, 11:18 AM
T-Mobile can put $650 on the table a la Chrysler as a bribe to new customers & while I appreciate the innovation & their stances on unlimited data, unless you live in a dense metro area, good luck with that. Edge will be your most common indicator on your phone which is ridiculous in 2014. Sprint? Good luck too with 100-300 Kbps speeds. I have lived in Illinois, Florida, New Mexico, Montana, Washington, Utah & Idaho & aside from Montana (no native Sprint or T-Mobile) I have tried these 2 again and again over the years. End result is always the same everywhere. T-Mobile is very good in major cities & terrible everywhere else & Sprint is terrible in the cities but you may find a rogue rural tower that is OK. I keep rooting for these 2 but ...
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brad162

Jan 19, 2014, 12:53 PM
Except for the fact that 99.9% of consumers will never use those cow-covering towers, and people like you are paying to keep em active with little to no use.

I dropped Verizon in favor of T-Mobile long ago, and have not looked back. I have lived in Ohio, Texas, Florida, New York, and Los Angeles, and T-Mobile always has worked just fine for what i've needed at รขโ€ฆโ€œ of the cost of Verizon. Not to mention i can still use 20GB of data some months and not hear a peep from T-Mobile about it.

Yes i keep an old flip phone on page-plus that i occasionally re-load with $10 every four months, but i've never needed to use it and am over $300 in credit for calls but it works as a glovebox phone if it's ever needed (and it's never been needed on roa...
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DarkStar

Jan 19, 2014, 1:22 PM
So there ar a handful of people can have t-mobile work for them. Well thats nice. But I've tried and sold t-mobile and they are by far the worst. Where I live now it looks like Sprint might be worse but they are coming back but they are no where near AT&T and Verizon in terms of coverage in the Inland Empire.
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brad162

Jan 20, 2014, 12:28 PM
Well considering T-Mobile has over 30 million subs, that's still not a number to sneeze at. Verizon has amazing advertising, as i've seen from personal experience getting people to switch (out of the 17 people i got to switch, there's been only one person i know that went back to VZ, and that was because of a small town in Ohio where T-Mobile was not finished putting in native coverage yet)

95% or more of americans could easily due with T-Mobile just fine, I honestly do not remember anytime i went below HSPA+ anywhere near a city, and when i drop to EDGE on the interstate in-between I can still stream pandora, spotify, and slacker while using my maps just fine.

The "reasons" all stated here still make no sense to me, especially when on...
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DarkStar

Jan 20, 2014, 1:45 PM
That's where you live. You haven't been everywhere.
I have sold Verizon for 10 years I've only had 1 person legitimately complain about coverage. I sold t-mobile in a pretty good size area and it was pretty affluent. But 60 percent of my new t-mobile accounts would get returned. So because of that I rarely sold trash mobile because of their lack of coverage.
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Jayshmay

Jan 20, 2014, 4:45 PM
Actually, with the MetroPCS merger, and the 4.4 million customers they gained in 2013, T-Mobile has nearly 47 million customers.

I live in Ct, solid HSPA+/LTE coverage here. Even in my room wherr I live at I get 20+mbps, Waterbury. I left Vzn for T-Mobile on 4/29/13, been happy ever since.

And yes, Google Maps does work where there is EDGE only.
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DarkStar

Jan 21, 2014, 3:05 PM
And yet Verizon is still adding more subscribers per quarter than T-mobile. How are they going to catch up if they are always lagging behind? Also they posted a loss of profit this last year. If they are losing money how are they going to upgrade their service?
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tetherpro

Jan 19, 2014, 8:04 PM
Cow-covering? Downtown Albuquerque, Seattle Metro and Chicago? OK??? Wonder why both AT&T and Verizon both have way more customers than both Sprint and T-Mobile combined. Verizon doesn't need to bribe their customers with $650 dollars. If T-Slobile is so great, why is DT looking to dump them every chance they get lol?
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ButtaKnife

Jan 21, 2014, 6:51 PM
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with those metro areas, but I can say that I live and work in the Seattle downtown area and T-Mobile here is absolutely fantastic. I went from rarely seeing 0-1 bars of LTE on Sprint with barely usable data to rarely *not* seeing great LTE reception and performance. Certainly, it's not for everyone. I found a small dead spot on I-5 south of Portland recently, but for the most part I get phenomenal coverage.

DT has been trying to dump T-Mo for years because it *wasn't* doing well, and probably because they want to get out of the US wireless market. T-Mo is doing much better these days, and I really hope their aggressive attitude isn't hampered by this potential sale. They're finally the 3rd ca...
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tetherpro

Jan 19, 2014, 9:05 PM
I use PLENTY of 4G LTE with Verizon lol. Last month I used about 30GB on my line alone (mostly Netflix) and my wife used about 10GB listening to Pandora. I appreciate that in my "rural" southern Idaho town of 60, with just 2 bars & a dbm of -80, I still get about 18Mbps with VZW. Service where I'm at now with T-Mobile & Sprint in non-existent. AT&T delivers about 3Mbps. There is a reason Verizon & AT&T are more expensive & why they both have over 100,000,000 subs each. Same reason a Corvette costs more than a Sonic or a Lexus than a Corolla, you get what you pay for. I hope at some future point though either combined or separate that TMO & Sprint can compete nationwide!
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andrewbearpig

Jan 19, 2014, 9:13 PM
A lexus lfa is more expensive then a corvette... Sorry had to correct that
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tetherpro

Jan 19, 2014, 10:54 PM
I know that. ๐Ÿ™‚ I compared a Toyota Corolla to any Lexus & a Chevy Sonic to the Chevy Corvette. I guess than in this case if we had the Lexus LFA, it would be Verizon & the Corvette could be AT&T. I guess we could make T-Mobile the Corolla & Sprint the Sonic. End of car analogies lol.
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andrewbearpig

Jan 20, 2014, 5:14 PM
The corvette zedr1 if were comparing cars lol. I was just being a smart alec.
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Jayshmay

Jan 20, 2014, 4:40 PM
The Softbank Sprint is still way, way too new to develop much of an opinion about where the company is heading. But this Softbank CEO seems pretty damn derermined to get Sprint in a better direction. He even said he wants to get Sprint's LTE network on par with Verizon's.

But it's still kinda early in the Softbank Sprint days to be developing an opinion.
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andrewbearpig

Jan 20, 2014, 5:21 PM
I can see the deal falling through because of the spectrum alone. Having to over haul to accommodate
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Jayshmay

Jan 20, 2014, 5:24 PM
So you think the FCC will feel that is too much spectrum in the hands of one company, and not support the deal?
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B-Sides

Jan 20, 2014, 5:42 PM
I think the FCC and DOJ will nix the deal for fear of public backlash! They are essentially getting rid of the countries 4th largest carrier which would eliminate competition. This is exactly what Dan Hesse said he didn't want to happen when AT&T tried to purchase T-Mobile.
At least when Big Blue wanted to purchase TMo they wouldn't have had all of the issues that Sprint would have. Different network technologies being the biggest!
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Jayshmay

Jan 20, 2014, 5:46 PM
I hope it won't go through. T-Mobile is doing awesome things, and forcing long overdue change in the wireless industry.

T-Mobile is currently at 46 million customers, who knows, maybe by Q3, T-Mobile can take the #3 spot from Sprint, they have tons of momentum right now.
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DarkStar

Jan 21, 2014, 3:07 PM
But Sprint and T-Mobile aren't even competition for VZW and AT&T. With a merger than can better compete with the big two.
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andrewbearpig

Jan 20, 2014, 5:47 PM
I see your argument. You were offering a loaded question. I was saying the logistics of this undertaking is a huge task to convert all to cdma or gsm. I mean on top of that having to to make sure the subscribers are having devices equiped to use the network, plus testing and plus fixing what is broken. It will be costly in that aspect alone.
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Jayshmay

Jan 20, 2014, 5:52 PM
I'm aware. If it were to be approved, they might as well just skip straight to VoLTE for voice and LTE-A going forward with the combined company, and set a shutdown date of Sprint's CDMA network for 2020ish...
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andrewbearpig

Jan 20, 2014, 5:58 PM
That is a high risk gamble though. I mean more power to them if they can do it but This will be a slow, slow, slowwwwwwww process.
Personally Tmo should just stay the course and drive sprint under then buy their network or vise versa instead of merging.
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B-Sides

Jan 20, 2014, 6:01 PM
What interests me is why does DT want to part with Tmobile so bad? Wouldn't surprise me if (when) somebody buys them they get screwed on the deal!
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Jayshmay

Jan 20, 2014, 6:06 PM
For some reason, DT refuses to pump money into T-Mobile US to help them be competitive. If DT pumped at least $4-$6bln into T-Mobile all these years, they would have a much more expansive and competitive network.

$4-$6bln/yr can't be that much for DT to handle.
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andrewbearpig

Jan 20, 2014, 6:22 PM
I want to know that also.
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