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in the united states motorola leads the united states in market share with about 34 compared with 17 that nokia has.

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by the way nokia doesnt have global market share of 60 percent. (it is up there but its not 60 percent)

according to my nokia rep, it was just about 60...


and regardless, nokia has more US market share than SEMC...which was my original point

oh yea, nokia does have more us market share then SEMC. sorry i thought you were comparing it against motorola.


actually nokia has global market share of 33%.

"Based on our preliminary market estimate, Nokia's market share for the second quarter 2005 grew to 33%, compared with 31% in the second quarter 2004 and 32% in the first quarter 2005. Strong sequential market share gains were achieved in Latin America followed by China and North America, while our share in other regions remained unchanged. "

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/200 ... »


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"Nokia's share of the global cellphone market fell to 30.4 percent in the first quarte...
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hmmm... perhaps my rep was talking about nokia's market share with cingy...?

either that, or he's entrirely full of ****, which very well could be...

however...Nokia > SEMC... which is all that matters...right?

not sure, but if you say global market share it isnt 60 percent it is 33 percent. to say that nokia supports cingular that is obvious a given but to say 60 percent that is a bit much and i would like to see facts on that. they do support gsm obviously and cingular is gsm.

i think that he maybe didnt understand what he was talking about?

but yes, nokia is greater then SEMC.

Yeah, i thought that 60% was a bit too high, however, it could be understandable...seeing as how nokia gives better reception (on average) than most other phones...and since GSM is still expanding in the states, reception is key...

yea, that is true, but 60 percent? that would be a monopoly status and they could be sued for antitrust litigation, but they havnt yet so that isnt the case. motorola is doing very well with stealing nokia's thunder lately. i think that gsm is a very good solution but i think cdma has better voice networks. i just think nokia's are cheap and poorly made and that motorola is very good. (just my opinion though)

we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, on both accounts...

GSM > CDMA, IMO

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Nokia, IMO, makes a far superior product to moto... just judging from the number of moto handsets i have to take back/repair for ****ty charging jacks, speakers going out, screen malfunction, etc...

yea, i dont think that gsm is better then cdma, becuase the voice is a bit better and the data is better. but we can agree to disagree. 🙂

nokia makes far products then moto? well in some areas maybe in some no. in united states and in a few other markets that isnt the case becuase of the market share that moto has against nokia.

in your opinion, what is better then motorola's razr?

nextel18 said:
...in your opinion, what is better then motorola's razr?

As a fashion statement or a fashion accessory the razr (prefered in black) is great but from a features standpoint I can think of a few.

Sony Ericsson K750i still being my choice...and being on TMobile [at least until Cingular get a quad-band SE phone like the w600i] I don't need the 850 band.

Check out the phone specs compared...k750i/razr/8800

https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/compare.php?id%5B% ... »

i am saying about nokia not about SE. i could care less about SE.

well, if you're looking to compare features, reception (at least in my market), and smaller width the nokia 6230 is a much better phone...

however if you're looking at screen size, thickness (thinness), and wasting money on a gimmick then the razr is obviously a better choice

can you answer me this then? why is the razr extremly popular and why motorola said their revenues has soared becuase of people purchasing this razor phone? nokia hasnt mentioned anything about the 6230 sales have they? if they have can you let me know what they said about it? thanks.

they haven't said anything about it to my knowledge...however, nokia didn't go on an agressive advertising campaign with the 6230 like moto did the razr...

its only popular because it was new, and they advertised the living hell out of it...

i am not sure.. i havnt really seen the 6230 in any advertisments here in the united states, however, overseas (when i was) there were plenty of advertisments.

when i go overseas i see a lot of advertisments of nokia then i see with motorola, but that is understandable.

nextel18 said:
can you answer me this then? why is the razr extremly popular and why motorola said their revenues has soared becuase of people purchasing this razor phone? nokia hasnt mentioned anything about the 6230 sales have they? if they have can you let me know what they said about it? thanks.

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's the best. We can look at Microsoft Windows for that.

Again I like the razr, it's the rave with all the soccer moms who want to look cool and impress their neighbors but if you want features and a sturdy phone (that doesn't shatter when you drop it) you buy something else.

microsoft windows is the best. it is used in 90 percent plus worldwide computers. that means it is very popular or else linux and others will be stealing so much market share that microsoft wouldnt be spending billions of dollars for their antitrust problems. that analogy wont work.


your assessmenet about what that whole soccer moms is a pathetic statement to make.

regardless, motorola has said many a times that the razor is doing extremly well and cant wait till it goes onto the cdma network.

The reason that razr is so popular is because of its thinness. No other phone released at that time was even close the being that thin. And it was very well advertised. Moto did a very good job marketing it and their profits from it showed. The razr had no more features then that of the v600 or v635 or anything other mid to higher level moto. It was a sleek and sexy phone and it was marketed for its looks not its functionality. Every magazine I looked at there was an ad for it and everytime I turned on the TV a new celebrity had it. Its seen on CSI weekly (Grissom uses it) and on lots of music videos and other TV shows. Hats off to Moto for their great marketing dept.

TinyJ316 said:
Yeah, i thought that 60% was a bit too high, however, it could be understandable...seeing as how nokia gives better reception (on average) than most other phones...and since GSM is still expanding in the states, reception is key...

What study are you getting your info from. I'd love to read it.

TinyJ316 said:
i beg to differ... nokia does not make crap at all...

if nokia made crap, then why is their market share around 60%? why do people switch from Moto and SEMC to Nokia more often than people switch from nokia to one of the others?

i have indeed tried the 710, and i wasn't a fan. it was way too cumbersome and the navagatability (is that even a word?) of the menus and overall user-friendliness were, IMO, crap...plus, they still use that same damn charger, which has a sorted history of not working...

And that is why you have an opinion and I have an opinion...

I think nokia makes poor quality phones...They want to make fashionable phones instead, which is fine. I just won't buy them. I l...
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i agree with your nokia statement that i think they make not the best phones out there and that they are junk.

regarding SE, please dont even put them in the same sentence as motorola and nokia becuase SE is horrible against them. (market share proves that)

nextel18 said:
i agree with your nokia statement that i think they make not the best phones out there and that they are junk.

regarding SE, please dont even put them in the same sentence as motorola and nokia becuase SE is horrible against them. (market share proves that)

How does market share for a company that has only been around since q1 2002 (when sony and ericsson merged) show/tell you enough info to make that statement? "please dont even put them in the same sentence as motorola and nokia"

Moto has made lots of bad phones too. Do you remember the T720 [gsm or cdma, I don't care] I know more people who returned that phone or kept haivng to get replacements then any other handset.

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i only care about market share and SE i think has a market share of 5-7 percent. with nokia and motorola doing so well as well as sanyo, lg doing well too SE doesnt have a chance. too much competition.


2-3 years is enough to show if you deserve to be in any business and since they have 3-4 other competitiors who have double digit market share it shows that they arent doing that well against them.

Where do you get your numbers, again to learn, not saying your wrong.

If you are talking 5-7% wroldwide I think you are wrong though. If you are talking US only I will agree that SE doesn't have a big share currently but they don't make CDMA phones and nokia has an exclusive deal to sell nokia candybar style phones only.

But SE is changing that. That is why in Friday, August 26 they are selling their new SE W800 walkman phone at Sony Style stores [ http://sonystyle.com/retail/ ] Also they are putting big money into advertising including at movie where you can skip them "Sony Ericsson said it is committing about 75% of its North American media budget to ads in movie theaters." http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2005/04 /13/sony-eri...
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again to learn? what does that mean?


"Worldwide Mobile Terminal Sales to End-Users in 1Q05

http://www.mindfully.org/Technology/2005/Mobile-Phon ... »
1Q05 Market Share %

Sony Ericsson 5.5

"The picture wasn't rosy for everyone, though, with Siemens and Sony Ericsson losing market share. According to Gartner, Siemens' first-quarter 2005 result of 5.5 percent market share, down from 8 percent, was the lowest level reported for Siemens since 1999""


http://msn.com.com/2100-1035_22-5722892.html »

"Siemens, in the fifth position, saw its market share slip to its lowest level since 1999, Gartner said. The company shipped 9.942 million units, just ahead of Sony Ericsson's 9.900 million units.

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nextel18 said:
again to learn? what does that mean?

Very simply, I ask where you got your figures "to learn"/"to see" the actual numbers b/c I don't have them in front of me and I couldn't find recent number searching on google. As opposed to being sarcastic, ie, 'where do you get your numbers...you're wrong and so are your numbers...etc."

I thought SE was closer to 8%. I was wrong.

I still prefer their phones to what I have see from Nokia and Moto.

oh i read it wrong. ☹️ my fault.

yea that is true. 🙂

no problem being wrong sometimes.

i dont prefer SE over nokia and motorola. ☹️ sorry.

I actaully re-read my post and I see how it's confusing...my bad.

😁

no problem. 🙂

A good old fashioned debate, what fun! We have market share, favourite brands and a good old fashioned scrum with the big boys and the half time oranges. Huzzah!

I digress, however, now let's see wjat's what shall we?

First of all on the question of market share. SE do indeed have a substantially lower share of the global market than Nokia, but then this is to be expected. I say this for a very simple reason, SE direct the bulk of their resources towards Europe and Japan. There is also the fact that SE have historically concentrated on mid to high-end handsets, which means that many poorer markets don't receive these products very well. Thirdly we have the fact that SE have had a smaller product portfolio than their rivals e.g. Nok...
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no excuses my friend. SE is horrible. i dont care if you think so, but you have a right to, but i care about what others think. such as global market share. facts are facts. 🙂

good opinion anyway.

nextel18 said:
no excuses my friend. SE is horrible. i dont care if you think so, but you have a right to, but i care about what others think. such as global market share. facts are facts. 🙂

good opinion anyway.

Good opinion but SE sucks anyway? Do you actually read these things to yourself before you post them?

TinyJ316 said:
i beg to differ... nokia does not make crap at all...

if nokia made crap, then why is their market share around 60%? why do people switch from Moto and SEMC to Nokia more often than people switch from nokia to one of the others?

i have indeed tried the 710, and i wasn't a fan. it was way too cumbersome and the navagatability (is that even a word?) of the menus and overall user-friendliness were, IMO, crap...plus, they still use that same damn charger, which has a sorted history of not working...

60%? Um...

muchdrama said:

staiano said:
Nokia makes crap. The release the same phone but change the last number on the phone so they can charge you again.

Have you tried the SE 710, p910, k750, w800. All great phones and more on the way...

Newsflash there, Einstein...Nokia makes the most durable, dependable GSM handsets on the planet period. SE doesn't even compare in that department.

lol no you're wrong. SE's t68i (worlds first multimedia messaging phone which is pretty old) can withstand more durable/dependable tests than ur choice of pick, nokia.

thehazmat said:lol no you're wrong. SE's t68i (worlds first multimedia messaging phone which is pretty old) can withstand more durable/dependable tests than ur choice of pick, nokia.

Very well said thehazmat.

It is rather silly to generalise about an entire brand. Both my T68i and T610 work perfectly well despite having been subjected to countless knocks, bumps and other wear and tear over the past few years. My P800 and my P900 are both still in perfect working order, again after a year or two of usage. My S700 is still going strong despite having been dropped and bashed more times than I care to remember.

Having said that, SE handsets can break and develop faults, but then so can handsets from any manufacturer. I have heard some people describe Motorolas as being rather hardy yet other decry them for being prone to breaking. One can't really generalise based upon a select number of opinions.

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scotsboyuk said:
It is rather silly to generalise about an entire brand. Both my T68i and T610 work perfectly well despite having been subjected to countless knocks, bumps and other wear and tear over the past few years. My P800 and my P900 are both still in perfect working order, again after a year or two of usage. My S700 is still going strong despite having been dropped and bashed more times than I care to remember.

Having said that, SE handsets can break and develop faults, but then so can handsets from any manufacturer. I have heard some people describe Motorolas as being rather hardy yet other decry them for being prone to breaking. One can't really generalise based upon a select number of opinions.

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staiano said:

thehazmat said:lol no you're wrong. SE's t68i (worlds first multimedia messaging phone which is pretty old) can withstand more durable/dependable tests than ur choice of pick, nokia.

Very well said thehazmat.

Oh, good Lord? The t68? Does anyone even remember how many problems people had with the t68? Yeesh. SE releases a fancy swivel model, and suddenly people forget the terror SE's unleashed on the world.

thehazmat said:

muchdrama said:

staiano said:
Nokia makes crap. The release the same phone but change the last number on the phone so they can charge you again.

Have you tried the SE 710, p910, k750, w800. All great phones and more on the way...

Newsflash there, Einstein...Nokia makes the most durable, dependable GSM handsets on the planet period. SE doesn't even compare in that department.

Ahahahahahahahaahahaha! Ha...eh, oh wait. You're serious? Ahahahahahahahahaa!

lol no you're wrong. SE's t68i (worlds first multimedia messaging phone which is pretty old) can withstand more durable/dependable tests than ur choice of pick, nokia.

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muchdrama said:

thehazmat said:

muchdrama said:

staiano said:
Nokia makes crap. The release the same phone but change the last number on the phone so they can charge you again.

Have you tried the SE 710, p910, k750, w800. All great phones and more on the way...

Newsflash there, Einstein...Nokia makes the most durable, dependable GSM handsets on the planet period. SE doesn't even compare in that department.

Ahahahahahahahaahahaha! Ha...eh, oh wait. You're serious? Ahahahahahahahahaa!

lol no you're wrong. SE's t68i (worlds first multimedia messaging phone which is pretty old) can withstand more durable/dependable tests than

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